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Parts of Bond Movies that Don't Make Sense

DB5DB5
edited July 2011 in Bond Movies Posts: 408
I was just wondering if anyone else ever thinks about the parts of James Bond movies that simply make no sense. I'll go first. In "Goldfinger" Bond is in bed with Jill Masterson, he goes to the refrigerator in his hotel room to get another bottle of champagne, and the next thing you know Oddjob gives him a karate chop across the neck and knocks him out. OK, here's my question: How does Oddjob get into Bond's room? And how, being a secret agent, doesn't Bond know that he's there? I mean, I know he's preoccupied with other things with Jill Masterson, but come on! Anyone have any thoughts on this, or other parts of Bond movies that make no sense?
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  • GerardGerard
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    Despite his bulk, Oddjob is like a cat and can advance without making any noise. He probably went through the window while Bond was... let's say engaged in some noisy activity, and then waited patiently until an opportunity presented itself.

    I already gave an answer as to how, in YOLT, Bond, who was wearing nothing under his shirt when he jumped into water, found himself equipped with a full ninja costume when he arrived at the volcano (Tiger must have secreted a costume somewhere near the volcano in order for Bond to use it). However, I will never understand why, in OP, Bond, who had every interest to be as discreet as possible when he was chased through the juungle, suddenly started doing his best Tarzan impersonation, though ruining all the efforts he had made previously.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    What about the end of Tb when the man who saves Domino vanishes? Or the sudden switch in locatons during the GE pts.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I try not to look too deeply at the Bond films, respectively the 1960s films. The little film mistakes and obvious green screens are what make the movies so wonderful to view. I watch Bond films because I love the character he his, the locales, the excitement, and the explosive and blown up plot lines. Looking too much into them ruins their everlasting lure.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Diamonds Are Forever

    ;-)
  • DB5DB5
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    OK next one. In FRWL Bond has just stolen the Lektor Decoder from the Russian Embassy in Istanbul. This is obviously a highly valuable prize to MI6, as Bond is spending time and resources and putting his life at stake to get it. So having it in his possession, what does he do? He gets on a train! Then later after he has disposed of Grant, the Russians come after the truck he's driving across Yugoslavia in a helicopter. How do the Russians know that he's in Yugoslavia? And how would they know exactly where in Yugoslavia they could find Bond?
  • Risico007Risico007
    edited July 2011 Posts: 9,858
    he posted it on Facebook it was only allowed for government agents back in the 60's at least that is what i assumed DB5 lol

    actuaslly I always assumed that had a tracking device on bond or the lektor.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Actually it was SPECTRE. I always presumed when Grant did not get of the train, and the truck was missing…

  • DB5DB5
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    No, the people in the helicopter are the Russians, it can't be SPECTRE. First, it's not until after the helicopter scene that Blofeld reveals to Klebb and Kronsteen that Grant has been found dead on the train. Second, Bond is using Grant's escape route, both the truck and the boat belong to SPECTRE. Why would SPECTRE be going after their own truck with their own helicopters? Finally, after Kronsteen is executed by Blofeld's henchman, Klebb announces she can retrieve the Lektor, "there's still time." Why would she say that if SPECTRE was already attempting to retrieve it? No, the men in the helicopter are definitely the Russians.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Just finished re-watching GF. The whole "3 more ticks and Mr Goldfinger would hit the jackpot" when the timer is stood at 007 seconds.

  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Hmm. Argree to disagree ;-)
  • j7wildj7wild Suspended
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    I still want to know in CR how did Bond knew they took Vesper right before he ran out to his Aston Martin to go after her!!

    He said something about Mathis but I still don't understand how he put 2+2 together with Mathis to know they took Vesper!
    Or the sudden switch in locatons during the GE pts.
    Yeah, I watched GE the other day and I realized:

    wait, is that chemical plant at the bottom of the Dam?

    So if Bond's explosives blows up the chemical plant, wouldn't it destroy the Dam too and release all the water?

    Then there is no way Orumov and 006 would still be alive later in the film, right?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @j7wild, what I didn't understand was how Ourumov shot Trevelyan in the face, and all he had were a few cheek scars later in the movie. Was Alec in on it from the beginning, and Ourumov purposefully missed the shot?

    As for Casino Royale, I figured he understood something was wrong because he didn't understand why Mathis would need to see Vesper - their work was done. That's what I got from it, but to this day, I'm still not sure.

    What about QoS, when Mathis is shot and Bond reveals that his nickname wasn't a very good one. How did he come to this realization?
  • Monsieur_AubergineMonsieur_Aubergine Top of the Eiffel Tower with a fly in my soup!
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    The last time we see Mathis, before that moment is where he says he is going to 'report back' as it where, on the events. That is the last we see of him...then Bond smells a rat as there has been no contact other than THAT txt to call away Vesper. I see it as Bonds first moment of 'trust issues'...he chases, he crashes to avoid Vespers body...and so we have the whole battle of Bonds misguided instincts as per QOS where we learn Mathis was innocent in the whole affair...know who to trust is the ultimate lesson.
    Sorry for being long winded folks but this is just how I believe the story to develop from the moment you highlight.

  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
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    Just finished re-watching GF. The whole "3 more ticks and Mr Goldfinger would hit the jackpot" when the timer is stood at 007 seconds.

    In the original UK release of Goldfinger, it stopped at 003 but after that Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman decided it would make more sense if it stopped at 007 for future releases but they kept the jackpot line in.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Yeah I heard that. Even if you count the ticks though it still doesn't make sense.
  • j7wildj7wild Suspended
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    Just finished re-watching GF. The whole "3 more ticks and Mr Goldfinger would hit the jackpot" when the timer is stood at 007 seconds.

    In the original UK release of Goldfinger, it stopped at 003 but after that Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman decided it would make more sense if it stopped at 007 for future releases but they kept the jackpot line in.
    I seen GF about 60 times, what are y'all talking about?

    it stopped at 007.
    @j7wild, what I didn't understand was how Ourumov shot Trevelyan in the face, and all he had were a few cheek scars later in the movie. Was Alec in on it from the beginning, and Ourumov purposefully missed the shot?

    As for Casino Royale, I figured he understood something was wrong because he didn't understand why Mathis would need to see Vesper - their work was done. That's what I got from it, but to this day, I'm still not sure.

    maybe he was using blanks?

    I remember Alec said the scars were courtesy of Bond setting the timer to 6 min but it was only 3 so he barely got away from the explosion.

    I will have to rewatch CR to figure that part out.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited July 2011 Posts: 15,723

    I seen GF about 60 times, what are y'all talking about?

    it stopped at 007.
    Yes, but actual line in the film is "3 more ticks and Mr Goldfinger would hit the jackpot"... Listen more carefully next time ;-)
  • j7wildj7wild Suspended
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    I seen GF about 60 times, what are y'all talking about?

    it stopped at 007.
    Yes, but actual line in the film is "3 more ticks and Mr Goldfinger would hit the jackpot"... Listen more carefully next time ;-)
    I will check it out right now!

  • Mr_SterlingMr_Sterling
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    DB5 the men in the helo are definitely NOT russians. They ARE Spectre. Did you not check out the dodgy outfits they're wearing?
  • GerardGerard
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    Orumov could not have used blanks in his pistol. He kills a guard with it, remember? And as, when you use blanks, you have to use a "blank plug" in order for your automatic to function as an automatic (I learned that during my days in the army), it wouldn't have been possible to shoot a blnk and a real round with the same gun.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Creasy47 said:
    @j7wild, what I didn't understand was how Ourumov shot Trevelyan in the face, and all he had were a few cheek scars later in the movie. Was Alec in on it from the beginning, and Ourumov purposefully missed the shot?

    The cheek scars were a result from the chemical plant blowing up after Bond set the timers to 3 minutes, after thinking 006 was dead. As for the shot, Ourumov probably swtiched to the blank plug that Gerard mentioned after shooting his own man. And yes, 006 was a traitor going into the mission. He had worked everything out beforehand with Ourumov.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    @DB5

    From the James Bond Encyclopaedia;

    SPECTRE uses the versatile Hiller UH-12C in From Russia With Love…. Seen on SPECTRE Island bringing Rosa Klebb to meet Grant. Later encounters the helicopter when it begins chasing him and Tatiana as they make their escape from the Orient Express.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    One thing that's never made any sense to me is how Drax is able to build himself a space station in orbit and how anyone on Earth failed to notice it. Drax may be a rich man but considering they spent years and a gazillion of Dollars on the international space station, it's practically impossible for one man, no matter how resourceful, to get it done. By the way, Drax looks completely struck by the marvels of space travel when he launches his Moonrakers. So tell me, how did he put the parts for his space station up there? Truly there must have been at least twenty space flights in order to assemble his station. At this point, launching his Moonrakers had to have become a matter of routine. But then everyone seems capable of launching a space shuttle overnight. Think of the Americans. Alert, there's something up there and we didn't do it. Oh, and we never noticed it but never mind. Anyway, let's suit up and find out more about it... Even for a Bond film in mid 70s sci-fi craze, that is pushing the boundary too far. That, or I'm giving this thing too much thought.

    (I could also talk about the fact that we hear sound in space during the laser battle, the rather weird gravitational interactions between all the objects present and so forth but as I told one of my less gifted pupils when he once asked me how deep we need to dig in order to 'fall off the Earth', NEVER MIND! ;;) )
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    A much smaller-scale poser from me.

    Scaramanga shoots Andrea as she sits in her seat at the boxing. He looks in her bag for the solar thingy (he tells Bond this) which is why the bag is open on her knee. The solar thingy is actually under the seat as if dropped. As she wasn't aware of Scaramanga being nearby and was most certainly not expecting to be shot then the solar thingy would have almost certainly been in her bag, rather than in her hand (which would explain why she dropped it).

    So, what is the sequence of events which we don't see that leads to the solar thingy ending up under the seat amonst the rubbish.
  • GerardGerard
    edited July 2011 Posts: 6,021
    Orumov didn't have the time to swith to a blank plug, which, BTW, would have been recognizable. No, my best guess is that he used real rounds, but Trevelyan and him were in on it since the very beginning, and it was all an elaborate ruse to get Bond to think that Trevelyan had been killed. John Gardner had something similar in his The Secret Families novel.

    BTW, if you want to know what using blank rounds without a blank plug can be like, look no further than the episode of The New Avengers where a gang of criminals take a weapon that puts London to sleep. One of them uses a M-16, which, as you know, is an automatic weapon. But, as the weapon had no blank plug (in movies, this is done internally), he's forced to use it as a bolt action rifle, which means rearming after each shot.

    @DarthDimi: I agree on that. The launch of the Moonrakers itself could be concealed (somewhat), but not the many landing sites necessary for the reuse of the shuttles. Already at the time, the big nations had surveillance satellites which were able to notice things like that going on.
  • dragonskydragonsky
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    i somewhere found video and posted it with things of Bond that dont make sense
    btw i think at the PTS of YOLT we can only see suited guy attacking asian guy,that guy was Bond but we can't see him.but his voice is different than Connerys.
    is that some stuntman or connery changed his voice :) it dont make sense why he have that voice
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    Why does Magda look and smile approvingly as Bond escapes from his prison in the Monsoon Palace without raising the alarm and informing Prince Kamal Khan?
  • anotherbondgeekanotherbondgeek
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    Why does Magda look and smile approvingly as Bond escapes from his prison in the Monsoon Palace without raising the alarm and informing Prince Kamal Khan?
    I think she was in love with him, either that or she'd rumbled Kamal.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Alright, I have to mention this. Can anyone enlighten me on why Charles Gray appeared in YOLT as Dikko Henderson, then four years later as Blofeld in DAF? The first time I saw YOLT I thought "wow this guy looks familiar. Is that Gray?". Why did EON do this? Did Gray impress them so much and they felt Henderson died too quick so they brought Gray back as Blofeld????
  • Hank_ScorpioHank_Scorpio
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    Ok, on the vein of TMWTGG when Bond shoots Scaramenga. We see Bond's gun fall off into oblivion, but he someone finds a loaded pistol. Furthermore he slips into the Bond suit of Scaramenga's wax figure without Nic Nak seeing it on the camera. Can anyone explain this?
    (when you notice something like that, a wizard did it-Zena to geeks in the Simpsons)
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