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First, they should of killed him off in 1971, (why wasn't he wearing a neck brace) and (why did he have a full head of hair), and lo and behold they wait 12 years for an ambiguous return, Blofeld has his brace back on, loss of hair returns, and plays around with a remote control helicopter and gets dropped down a chimney stack, just after some silly lines that make little sense to the casual viewer, all they had to do what omit him from that years release. Lo and behold there was even talk about bringing him back for Skyfall or any subsequent releases thereafter
Bottom line is, Blofeld died in Diamonds, the character is archaic and outdated, he has no place in 21st Century Bond.... I will be genuinely irritated if they do decided to bring the character back, be it Blofelds son or whatever they do...... Just let it go!
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I appreciate the effort Baltimore but this still is the most ludicrous line to be allowed into the final cut of a film in history (well maybe apart from 'Yo mamma' but at least that made sense).
I just went for a google and came up with this which backs up your claims:
This line was mentioned in Cubby's autobiography WHEN THE SNOW MELTS. It refers to Italian mafia members offering this as a bribe to get something in exchange. A delicatessen in stainless steel was and still is the top of the line quality. Simply put, your food is better prepared on a surface that is easily cleaned and will not have bacteria clinging to it. Unlike a wooden cutting board or other surfaces. Also, keep in mind that many vendors during the early 1900s sold their food on the streets of New York in carts. If someone had a shoppe or delicatessen, they were obviously doing very well.
For years everyone from John Glen to Michael Wilson had no idea where this line came from. It is finally revealed that Cubby was the inspiration for having it in the film. A personal touch so to speak - even though many of us never got the joke.
Seems rather self indulgent by Cubby to slip in lines that no one apart from the people that lived in his street would have any comprehension of what it meant. I cant believe nobody asked 'Cubby wtf does that mean?'
Maybe he didnt tell anyone and just slipped it on the soundtrack at the last minute as I'm pretty sure you dont see the actors face as he says it.
Perhaps new boy director Glen didnt have the balls to say anything. No way Harry would have let this under the radar.
I'm with you! It was quite unncecessary and ridiculous to bring Blofeld back for the PTS of For Your Eyes Only, because that only raised further questions to what we already didn't fully know from Diamonds Are Forever. I agree that it was also dumb to bring him back in DAF without a neck brace (overlooking this crucial point, really?) and with a full head of hair. Did he call the '70s version of Bosley? Hahaha. They really went wacko with Blofeld after 1969, and it seriously hurt the character.
Never mind that. Sardinia is an island. How do you take a train to an island?
I've always assumed that they went with Quarrel and Felix on the boat from San Monique back to New Orleans or Florida and then took the train to New York as in the book but in reverse.
As for TSWLM the train presumably from Luxor to the coast and then a boat (not seen on screen) to Sardinia where they meet Q who has driven down through France and got a ferry from Marseille. Simples.
I've got a new one: In OP Bond attends the Octopussy Circus in East Berlin then disguises himself as a worker and helps pack all the stuff on the train which then travels to Karl Marx Stadt where the circus is all unpacked and another performance starts. Given that the second performance starts around 3 then just what time is the first one in Berlin?
The distance between the Berlin and KMS (now called Chemnitz) is 260km and the train doesnt look the fastest. Even if you say it is going at a 100kph then that is a 2 and half hour journey. Factor in a very conservative hour at either end to dismantle and erect a huge marquee and say a 2 hour show that means that the first performance started at 8.30 in the morning! Preposterous.
And wait one minute - even more crucial than the whole instant circus set up is this: Karl Marx Stadt was in East Germany. So a) what border are they crossing seeing as they started in East Berlin and are staying within the DDR and b) what the heck is a US airbase doing on DDR territory?
Oh OP I've always thought you had a great plot but this is all frankly bunkum.
I'd like to offer an opinion. Diamonds Are Forever never happened, and it never existed.
This is an interesting point. I assumed that Wint and Kidd didn't necessarily know who the pipeline people were so that the easiest way for Blofeld to cover his tracks was to eliminate the couriers one by one. Or alternately, that Blofeld had some reason to silence everyone in the pipeline.
But why would Blofeld cover his tracks if he was about to go public with his satellite ransom? Seems unnecessary.
Yes i thought that Wint and Kidd didn't neccessarily know who they were at first either, but then i remembed that Mrs whistler said nice to see you again gentleman. And that is also a good point about Blofeld going public with the satellite.
Yes, you are right about the Mrs. Whistler comment! I'm trying to recall the dialogue about closing down the pipeline. I know Bond mentions it to Tiffany after they find Plenty in the pool.
The diamond pipeline is a great reason for the travelogue and explains Bond's movements, but I still don't see Blofeld's motive in shutting it down. If there was a leak or a mole or they needed to throw the authorities off their scent, that I'd understand.
But then again, Vesper asks Bond how much they would need to float for a month: does she only take out a certain amount of the money to pay off Gettler, or was I right in assuming it was every penny of Bond's winnings?
Also, why does M state that Vesper must have known "she was going to her death"? If Bond hadn't followed, wouldn't it have been a simple exchange?
And my last question: what is it that triggers a thought in Bond's mind when he is on the boat after the finale and looks at the seashells? I've always been confused about it. He closes up the bag, thinks, grabs the seashell and studies it, and then he decides to check the phone, and a new message pops up. Was it ill timing? Was it a draft that was saved for later? If not, who sent it?
She couldn't live with the guilt knowing She betrayed him so she resorted to suicide.
Yeah, you're right, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure that was self-explanatory and I probably had forgotten that, hahaha. Nevertheless, thanks for bringing it back to me! With this newfound knowledge, I can safely say that Vesper is an idiot! Hahahaha.
Even Bond thought so when she refused to give him the extra money when he lost it all. haha.
You'll excuse me if I leave. Goodnight I-)
The suitcase is probably full of bearer bonds.
I believe this is Vesper's cover story for why she needs to go to the bank.
M is saying that Vesper made a deal: she would hand over the money *if* they spared Bond's life. She made a deal to save him. But she also knew that they would likely kill her--which begs the question of why she would trust them not to kill Bond, too.
Vesper leaves behind her phone (intentionally?), which gives clues to Bond--first it's the "Gettler" message on the phone in the hotel suite and then later the "Mr. White" message (with delivery delayed until after she's turned over the money, perhaps?).
@00Beast asks a great question, which is: why does Vesper kill herself in the elevator? It's clearer in the novel, but in the film, she has less to fear because Bond has vanquished the bad guys. But maybe it's that she simply can't live with the knowledge that she betrayed her country and the man she loved--to try to save Yusef, as we later learn--but still a betrayal.
Agreed. It's bad screenwriting shorthand--Bond thinking of Vesper's shells, followed by her message "For James." Vesper clearly sent the message to lead him to White, getting back at the people who (she assumed) would have killed her.
I know they had to got to each stop to shut down the pipeline, but Why did they physically let the diamonds pass from each stop. Why didnt they just keep the diamonds and give them to blofeld when they got them from the dentist and go and kill each person on the trail after ? Dont ya think Blofeld knew the route? They had been getting shipments of diamonds for a long time, right?
Also, even if they just directly too the diamonds from the dentist to Blofeld,The mi6 wouldnt be able to get any information from the people from the pipeline in time to stop it. The laser was ready to go.If anything- taking all that time and killing the people would alert mi6 agents.
sorry for the "wasted space", but why cant the mods just delete threads instead of just locking them? THAT "doesnt make sense"
Bond knows he's not a woman because he opened his own car door rather than wait for the door to be opened for him. That assumption was probably risky in 1965; I certainly wouldn't base my case on it now!
"Austin, that's my MOTHER!"
None of the other characters get this sort of acknowledgment, why only M?
Vesper was "going to her death" because on the barge she made a deal to give the money to Quantum if they let Bond live. Bond heals, and Vesper is asked to meet in Venice. She goes with the money, fully knowing that as soon as they get the money she is as good as dead and dispensable. And Quantum knew she fell in love with him and that made her even more of a loose end.