No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • RC7RC7
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    Walecs wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    For me personally. QOS is in 2006. Party slip be damned.

    Agreed. Just like SP is set in 2012-2013 as far as I'm concerned (regardless of the date on Swann's tablet).

    There's no way it took the forensics three years to release Bond's personal effects from Skyfall.

    The story they are telling takes place in the year they're telling it. If you watch SF it's 2012. If you watch SP it's 2015 and SF is several months before. I really don't understand how difficult this is to grasp. THERE'S NO DATE SPECIFIC TIMELINE. GET OVER IT.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Yes, it goes back to the individual and how they resolve things like the original sloppy timeline for films 1-20, @Murdock. For me the films present the same Bond across five actors but that also means 40 years.
    In this case, to me, CASINO ROYALE takes place in 2006 because it says so. QUANTUM OF SOLACE starts moments later, so it's not 2008. And where the party invite says 2008, that's foreshadowing: a typo, an introduced flaw indicating the pending downfall of Quantum.
    Still, the stuff of but-this-one-goes-up-to-eleven conversations.
  • RC7RC7
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    Murdock wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    For me personally. QOS is in 2006. Party slip be damned.

    The year makes no difference. It could say 2027. The story is the important element, the date is an arbitrary element.

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    Yeah, because you've taken the time to assign a date to it.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    There's a separate thread devoted this, tbh, moot discussion. Let's move it there.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    For me personally. QOS is in 2006. Party slip be damned.

    The year makes no difference. It could say 2027. The story is the important element, the date is an arbitrary element.

    tumblr_mr2zeoArcq1qa5etko3_500.gif

    Yeah, because you've taken the time to assign a date to it.

    And this is a big deal to you why?
  • RC7RC7
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    Murdock wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    For me personally. QOS is in 2006. Party slip be damned.

    The year makes no difference. It could say 2027. The story is the important element, the date is an arbitrary element.

    tumblr_mr2zeoArcq1qa5etko3_500.gif

    Yeah, because you've taken the time to assign a date to it.

    And this is a big deal to you why?

    Im confused. You implied you don't care, but you've obviously considered it.
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    Can't be bothered by the whole Bond timeline, to be honest. Analyzing the timeline of the films ruins the viewing experience, as there will be some inconsistencies. I just think of each film to be somewhat recent to the production/release year, and leave it at that.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I like piecing it all together like a large puzzle. It's very fun.
  • RC7RC7
    edited September 2017 Posts: 10,512
    Can't be bothered by the whole Bond timeline, to be honest. Analyzing the timeline of the films ruins the viewing experience, as there will be some inconsistencies. I just think of each film to be somewhat recent to the production/release year, and leave it at that.

    Refreshing. Ditto.
    Edited for content.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 386
    Flashbacks and time shifts are for television. Fuck em.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    ... @jake24 ... insanity, and driving to...? Too late, my friend...
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    While I love a lot of their films, some days I do wish to go back to a time before Marvel made everyone obsessed with timelines and shared universes. Bond is timeless, just how I like it. It's how it survives
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    In all seriousness, I followed the Craig era kinda like the ROCKY films, for good or bad: Rocky II happened right after Rocky's first fight with Creed (so it's still starts in '76, not '79...), ROCKY IV starts in a timeline in '83, right after the events of ROCKY III... ROCKY V starts right after ROCKY IV...

    (anyone love these cheese-fest, man-cave movies as much as me???) Therefore Rocky ages inside of the stories, not in real-time as Sly was.

    If we follow the time-line of DC BOND, and not real time, we also get a guy in his mid-40s (like his passport states in the last Omega presentation) and not a guy closing in on his fifties. As a man and athlete, DC can be younger. And I was following this timeline to make sense of the stories.

    Does that make sense?
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    How about a Minecraft James Bond movie?

    This is what it could look like:

  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Can't be bothered by the whole Bond timeline, to be honest. Analyzing the timeline of the films ruins the viewing experience, as there will be some inconsistencies. I just think of each film to be somewhat recent to the production/release year, and leave it at that.

    Refreshing edited. Ditto.
    GetCarter wrote: »
    Flashbacks and time shifts are for television. Fuck em.
    Apparently cursing is now allowed on the forum.

  • QUANTUM OF SOLACE didn't take place in 2008. Just sayin'.

    How do you explain the invitation to Dominic Greene's event that has a 2008 date?
  • peter wrote: »
    ... and if White was in Bond's trunk for two years, that bullet wound would have surely infected, giving him gangrene, no??

    Yeah.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    QUANTUM OF SOLACE didn't take place in 2008. Just sayin'.

    How do you explain the invitation to Dominic Greene's event that has a 2008 date?

    Typo. People make them everyday.
  • RC7 wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    For me personally. QOS is in 2006. Party slip be damned.

    Agreed. Just like SP is set in 2012-2013 as far as I'm concerned (regardless of the date on Swann's tablet).

    There's no way it took the forensics three years to release Bond's personal effects from Skyfall.

    The story they are telling takes place in the year they're telling it. If you watch SF it's 2012. If you watch SP it's 2015 and SF is several months before. I really don't understand how difficult this is to grasp. THERE'S NO DATE SPECIFIC TIMELINE. GET OVER IT.

    Except for the Casino Royale surveillance video with the 2006 time stamp, the Quantum invitation with the 2008 date, etc.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 2,115
    bondbat007 wrote: »
    While I love a lot of their films, some days I do wish to go back to a time before Marvel made everyone obsessed with timelines and shared universes. Bond is timeless, just how I like it. It's how it survives

    Except for Michael G. Wilson saying Quantum took place "literally an hour" after the end of Casino.

    MGW opened this can of worms. Not Marvel. And that was nine years ago, just when Marvel was getting started.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    As stated above by myself and others. The Greene Planet invitation? A typo. Foreshadowing.
    So I'm not so serious about all this, but I do recognize CASINO ROYALE as 2006, and QUANTUM OF SOLACE picking up directly from that. I've been around. I have my reasons. Not demanding agreement. And it's not complicated.

    On to BOND 25! Which will take place in the year it's presented as. When it exists as a film.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 2,115
    //As stated above by myself and others. The Greene Planet invitation? A typo. Foreshadowing. //

    More like a screw up.

    Again, if Michael G. Wilson had *never* said Quantum took place "literally an hour" after Quantum, it's not an issue. But Wilson and others on the production team kept talking about how special the story was, how it was the first "direct sequel," etc.

    Eon *invited* more scrutiny on the continuity issue. MGW couldn't help himself.

    Whatever.

    At least the "typo" explanation avoids over-the-top explanations that it took Bond two years to track down Mr. White.

    Even with 2006 cell phone technology, Bond could track down White if he had his phone number. That's the whole point for Vesper's sacrifice, ensuring Bond got the phone number.

    Even in 2006, street criminals were smart enough to use disposable phones. Mr. White was *at least as smart* as street criminals.* Once Bond had Mr. White's phone number, he had a short time to track him down. He certainly didn't have two years to do so.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    With CASINO ROYALE the filmmakers were compelled to ground their official reboot in 2006, different from the previous 20 films, to highlight the start of a new timeline. That's why Craig Bond has the Sony dossier with his birth date, and likely why there are references to 2006 on the CCTV DVDs and other items. They were also energized to follow it directly with QUANTUM OF SOLACE time wise, different than a standalone mission. I'm actually not crazy about twisting and turning to make timelines of missions 1-20, that's not necessary. The Craig Bond films are playing out differently, a sloppy timeline but in the shorter real world time expended not as sloppy as before.
    Just observations, here. BOND 25 ahoy.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    Still holding out hope for BOND 25 news this week!!
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Hey, wasn't the world supposed to end last month?
    Plus the BOND 25 announcement, I mean. Separately.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Plothole sealed. ;)
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Plothole sealed. ;)
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    Oh damn. Mic drop
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 2,599
    bondjames wrote: »
    If I was 'propositioned' by MB I'd surely jump at the chance, even though she's seen better days. She's certainly still got the goods and takes care of herself. Why not? Queen and country.

    Sure, man but only looks were discussed. Most guys don't say "I refuse to sleep with this woman because she's not stunning, only pretty (or even average for that matter)." There's a difference between judging how someone looks and deciding on whether you'll sleep with them or not.

    I certainly wouldn't say no to Monica Bellucci just because she's not stunning anymore.
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    I thought Madeline was alright. Very realistic and well acted character and I liked how she was Mr White's daughter, that was a cool angle. And while Seydoux isn't really my type I can't deny she's attractive. Belluci was really underused which is a shame because she's a good actress and I mean, just look at her. Really wish they hadn't turned her down for TND because I think Paris was a much better character than Lucia. Did very well in the time she had though.

    Neither of them come close to Berenice though. She's my favourite Bond girl. Biggest flaw in SF is that they didn't give her more screentime.

    This is often a problem in Bond films. Bond flicks aren't known for their character movement (I wish they were) which is why I wonder why they hire character directors. I don't get it.
  • RC7RC7
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    With CASINO ROYALE the filmmakers were compelled to ground their official reboot in 2006, different from the previous 20 films, to highlight the start of a new timeline. That's why Craig Bond has the Sony dossier with his birth date, and likely why there are references to 2006 on the CCTV DVDs and other items. They were also energized to follow it directly with QUANTUM OF SOLACE time wise, different than a standalone mission. I'm actually not crazy about twisting and turning to make timelines of missions 1-20, that's not necessary. The Craig Bond films are playing out differently, a sloppy timeline but in the shorter real world time expended not as sloppy as before.
    Just observations, here. BOND 25 ahoy.
    //As stated above by myself and others. The Greene Planet invitation? A typo. Foreshadowing. //

    More like a screw up.

    Again, if Michael G. Wilson had *never* said Quantum took place "literally an hour" after Quantum, it's not an issue. But Wilson and others on the production team kept talking about how special the story was, how it was the first "direct sequel," etc.

    Eon *invited* more scrutiny on the continuity issue. MGW couldn't help himself.

    Whatever.

    At least the "typo" explanation avoids over-the-top explanations that it took Bond two years to track down Mr. White.

    Even with 2006 cell phone technology, Bond could track down White if he had his phone number. That's the whole point for Vesper's sacrifice, ensuring Bond got the phone number.

    Even in 2006, street criminals were smart enough to use disposable phones. Mr. White was *at least as smart* as street criminals.* Once Bond had Mr. White's phone number, he had a short time to track him down. He certainly didn't have two years to do so.

    I'm sorry, but how is this an issue? It's not a typo or a screw up. When they produce a Bond it takes place in the moment. QoS does directly follow on from CR. If you're watching CR the action takes place in 2006. If you're watching QoS the story is taking place in 2008. You view the narrative through the prism of the film you watch. To have the Greene Planet invite reading 2006 is to make the narrative date specific, which they simply wouldn't do.
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