No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    edited September 2017 Posts: 2,730
    The bottom line is even if Qos takes place in a 2008 world, it cant be for real because it takes place an hour after a film that is so clearly set in 2006 because of the surveillance footage scene and in spectre the mi6 hq is still destroyed so it has to take place within 6 months of skyfall
  • RC7RC7
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    The bottom line is even if Qos takes place in a 2008 world, it cant be for real because it takes place an hour after a film that is so clearly set in 2006 because of the surveillance footage scene and in spectre the mi6 hq is still destroyed so it has to take place within 6 months of skyfall

    Shoot me in the face.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 17,753
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    I have to stop reading this discussion about timeline now. Don't think EON could care less about being consistent with the timeline. They do, and will take liberties according to the production and release date of the films.
  • RC7RC7
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    I have to stop reading this discussion about timeline now. Don't think EON could care less about being consistent with the timeline. They do, and will take liberties according to the production and release date of the films.

    Exactly.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    They would have taken more care if they wanted people to believe it was all for real. Some apparently do anyway.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2017 Posts: 23,883
    I've said it before and I'll say it again: this direct continuity nonsense which they've been playing at during the Craig era has been throwing some for a six. I understand the concept of needing to watch each film 'in the moment' and suspend reality with respect to dates. I get that.

    That doesn't change the fact that it's borderline idiotic and makes no logical sense, especially when several years are passing between film releases and yet people are supposed to believe that events take place shortly after the prior film when viewing it (particularly in the case of QoS and SP).

    So I don't care personally, but I can understand how some can't get their heads around it, and I don't blame them. It's not their fault that the film makers are being too clever by half.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 386
    Agree Bondjames.

    Bond films don't need connecting narrative tissue at all.

    It's awkward, boring and a blight on the Craig era.

    Thank Christ he's been an excellent Bond.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 3,274
    Although the Bond movies age really well, they are not timeless. Many of them clearly take place during the cold war for example. :-)
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Just watched the Hitman's bodyguard. Gary Oldman would make a great Blofeld, much better than Waltz and the film had better hand to hand combat than the last few Bond films. Bond 25 better deliver.
  • RC7RC7
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    They would have taken more care if they wanted people to believe it was all for real. Some apparently do anyway.

    You mean Bond wasn't secretly concealing another suit in the Aston so he could change before kidnapping White?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    RC7 wrote: »
    They would have taken more care if they wanted people to believe it was all for real. Some apparently do anyway.

    You mean Bond wasn't secretly concealing another suit in the Aston so he could change before kidnapping White?

    Yes, that explains it. And the car chase lasted two full years.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    I thought that was clear?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Just watched the Hitman's bodyguard. Gary Oldman would make a great Blofeld, much better than Waltz and the film had better hand to hand combat than the last few Bond films. Bond 25 better deliver.
    Agreed. Oldman never lets us down. Having said that, they're stuck with Waltz until Craig leaves the role, so we'll just have to make do with this crew for now.
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    RC7 wrote: »
    They would have taken more care if they wanted people to believe it was all for real. Some apparently do anyway.

    You mean Bond wasn't secretly concealing another suit in the Aston so he could change before kidnapping White?

    Yes, that explains it. And the car chase lasted two full years.
    Apparently not.
    royale65 wrote: »
    I thought that was clear?
    Not quite.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,773
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Although the Bond movies age really well, they are not timeless. Many of them clearly take place during the cold war for example. :-)
    True that, @Zekidk . It's also not impossible that for BOND 25 the filmmakers could recognize some future real world event the way they toyed with Y2K and the Millenium Dome (and the Millenium Bug) for THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH. Or considered going all in on the Hong Kong handover for TOMORROW NEVER DIES.
  • Posts: 4,619
    As far as I'm concerned, every single Bond movie is at least a mini-reboot. Consider the timeline discrepancies between CR and QOS, or the tale of two Aston Martin DB5s in CR and SF.
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    @RichardTheBruce Hasn't it been like this forever? LALD -blaxploitation, TWTGG - energy crisis, MR - Star Wars hype, TLD - AIDS/smoking. They even made CR a contemporary thing, by adding the terrorist element.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited September 2017 Posts: 13,773
    Pretty much, @Zekidk. Add Kung fu craze to TMWTGG. Indiana Jones influence on OP. And more recent association of Bond with Bourne or Batman. In some ways, tied to the times. Other ways, timeless. The villains' capers especially are intended to be timely or hopefully tomorrow's news. So that should continue with BOND 25.
  • RC7RC7
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    As far as I'm concerned, every single Bond movie is at least a mini-reboot. Consider the timeline discrepancies between CR and QOS, or the tale of two Aston Martin DB5s in CR and SF.

    This is basically correct.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    bondjames wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Just watched the Hitman's bodyguard. Gary Oldman would make a great Blofeld, much better than Waltz and the film had better hand to hand combat than the last few Bond films. Bond 25 better deliver.
    Agreed. Oldman never lets us down. Having said that, they're stuck with Waltz until Craig leaves the role, so we'll just have to make do with this crew for now.

    Didn't Oldman already turn a Bond role down a few years back?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited September 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Yes, I believe it was something related to his dislike of the script. Can't remember if it was Skyfall or Quantum of Solace precisely, but I remember the script was cited as the case.

    Although, I believe Oldman would have been a fantastic Blofeld. Not a cat stroking man on a wheelchair at a control panel giving orders, but the real head of the snake who would terrorize Bond in and out of his nightmares with the back of his hand. Physically and psychologically. The kind of Blofeld we should've gotten in all these years.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    I wasn't aware that Oldman was offered an opportunity on Bond. Pity, but if it was for QoS I could understand his concerns.

    I agree that he could have been an excellent Blofeld. A real menace.

    Hopefully they consider him for a villain role in the future.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    The bulk of CR takes place in 06 that is true but who says the final bit where he shoots Mr White is in 06?

    Could've taken Bond 2 years to track down Mr White. He certainly seems to have his swagger back in that final scene compared to the depressed bloke who wants to resign a minute earlier.

    There's a thread for this somewhere but the simple explanation is that the last scene of CR and all of QOS take place in 08.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The issue then is his so-called 'inconsolable rage' at the start of QoS. Surely a man like Bond woudn't be moping about for 2 years?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    The simple explanation is that you're really not supposed to give a sh*t and just watch the films with the knowledge that they take place in the year they were released.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited September 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Never thought I'd be part of a minority who never gave a damn about continuity in the Bond films.

    Or to rephrase, never thought the 'not giving a monkey about continuity in the Bond films' group would be the minority in the fandom.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    The bulk of CR takes place in 06 that is true but who says the final bit where he shoots Mr White is in 06?

    Could've taken Bond 2 years to track down Mr White. He certainly seems to have his swagger back in that final scene compared to the depressed bloke who wants to resign a minute earlier.

    There's a thread for this somewhere but the simple explanation is that the last scene of CR and all of QOS take place in 08.

    You may be right, though Bond seems to be still suffering for Vesper's death. Also, at the beginning of QoS Bond and M discuss about CIA being angry because they didn't get LeChiffre's body, something they should have complained two years earlier.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 2,115
    RC7 wrote: »
    With CASINO ROYALE the filmmakers were compelled to ground their official reboot in 2006, different from the previous 20 films, to highlight the start of a new timeline. That's why Craig Bond has the Sony dossier with his birth date, and likely why there are references to 2006 on the CCTV DVDs and other items. They were also energized to follow it directly with QUANTUM OF SOLACE time wise, different than a standalone mission. I'm actually not crazy about twisting and turning to make timelines of missions 1-20, that's not necessary. The Craig Bond films are playing out differently, a sloppy timeline but in the shorter real world time expended not as sloppy as before.
    Just observations, here. BOND 25 ahoy.
    //As stated above by myself and others. The Greene Planet invitation? A typo. Foreshadowing. //

    More like a screw up.

    Again, if Michael G. Wilson had *never* said Quantum took place "literally an hour" after Quantum, it's not an issue. But Wilson and others on the production team kept talking about how special the story was, how it was the first "direct sequel," etc.

    Eon *invited* more scrutiny on the continuity issue. MGW couldn't help himself.

    Whatever.

    At least the "typo" explanation avoids over-the-top explanations that it took Bond two years to track down Mr. White.

    Even with 2006 cell phone technology, Bond could track down White if he had his phone number. That's the whole point for Vesper's sacrifice, ensuring Bond got the phone number.

    Even in 2006, street criminals were smart enough to use disposable phones. Mr. White was *at least as smart* as street criminals.* Once Bond had Mr. White's phone number, he had a short time to track him down. He certainly didn't have two years to do so.

    I'm sorry, but how is this an issue? It's not a typo or a screw up. When they produce a Bond it takes place in the moment. QoS does directly follow on from CR. If you're watching CR the action takes place in 2006. If you're watching QoS the story is taking place in 2008. You view the narrative through the prism of the film you watch. To have the Greene Planet invite reading 2006 is to make the narrative date specific, which they simply wouldn't do.

    You're saying it took Bond two years to find Mr. White when Vesper gave him the means to find him quickly.

    Meanwhile, it was the Eon publicity machine that made a big deal about "direct sequel." If it hadn't made that such a point of emphasis, then it's a lot easier to overlook.

    For those who say you don't care, that's fine. It's all the over-the-top attempts to explain it away that get hard to take. Again, the whole purpose of Vesper getting White's phone number to Bond was so he could track him down quickly. Bond could not assume White would hold onto to the phone indefinitely.

    Put another way, her getting Bond that phone number was a major dramatic plot point for Casino Royale. If you assume Bond leisurely took two years to get around to getting White, then Vesper's act is pretty pointless.
  • Gary Oldman would make a terrific villain. I'd rather see him go against Craig in his final Bond film, than see Waltz back.

    There is a note in IMDb's trivia section that Oldman was sought to play Blofeld before Waltz. Though I doubt this is true - mainly as the role of Oberhauser/Blofeld was pretty much written directly for Waltz (right down to the nationality of the character). The role was tailor-made for Waltz - which is one of the reasons it was so creatively bereft.

    Oldman made a career playing outlandish villains in the 90s. Personally, I enjoyed his reinvention as a more paternal figure with roles in the Batman films and Tinker Tailor. Maybe Oldman would have made a good Mallory in SF? Then again, Fiennes is terrific and the role may have been a tad too similar to Commissioner Gordon for Gary (SF gets a hard enough time already for being a TDK rip-off).



    As for the timeline? I think its pretty obvious it takes place within minutes of CR ending. The finale of CR takes place within days of the scene with Bond and M talking by phone. Who cares about the date on the invite?

    I suppose it's the whole point of fan culture to argue about the minutiae...but honestly; who gives a shit? EON clearly don't. All this talk of what is "cannon" and what isn't bores me to death. I'd hate to let you in on the secret; but none of this stuff is real and none of it really happened.

    Why are we bothering to give any semblance of reality to something that is so evidently not real?
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    RC7 wrote: »
    With CASINO ROYALE the filmmakers were compelled to ground their official reboot in 2006, different from the previous 20 films, to highlight the start of a new timeline. That's why Craig Bond has the Sony dossier with his birth date, and likely why there are references to 2006 on the CCTV DVDs and other items. They were also energized to follow it directly with QUANTUM OF SOLACE time wise, different than a standalone mission. I'm actually not crazy about twisting and turning to make timelines of missions 1-20, that's not necessary. The Craig Bond films are playing out differently, a sloppy timeline but in the shorter real world time expended not as sloppy as before.
    Just observations, here. BOND 25 ahoy.
    //As stated above by myself and others. The Greene Planet invitation? A typo. Foreshadowing. //

    More like a screw up.

    Again, if Michael G. Wilson had *never* said Quantum took place "literally an hour" after Quantum, it's not an issue. But Wilson and others on the production team kept talking about how special the story was, how it was the first "direct sequel," etc.

    Eon *invited* more scrutiny on the continuity issue. MGW couldn't help himself.

    Whatever.

    At least the "typo" explanation avoids over-the-top explanations that it took Bond two years to track down Mr. White.

    Even with 2006 cell phone technology, Bond could track down White if he had his phone number. That's the whole point for Vesper's sacrifice, ensuring Bond got the phone number.

    Even in 2006, street criminals were smart enough to use disposable phones. Mr. White was *at least as smart* as street criminals.* Once Bond had Mr. White's phone number, he had a short time to track him down. He certainly didn't have two years to do so.

    I'm sorry, but how is this an issue? It's not a typo or a screw up. When they produce a Bond it takes place in the moment. QoS does directly follow on from CR. If you're watching CR the action takes place in 2006. If you're watching QoS the story is taking place in 2008. You view the narrative through the prism of the film you watch. To have the Greene Planet invite reading 2006 is to make the narrative date specific, which they simply wouldn't do.

    You're saying it took Bond two years to find Mr. White when Vesper gave him the means to find him quickly.

    No, he's saying CR takes place in 2008 in the context of QoS. Floating timeline. Look it up.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Minion wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    With CASINO ROYALE the filmmakers were compelled to ground their official reboot in 2006, different from the previous 20 films, to highlight the start of a new timeline. That's why Craig Bond has the Sony dossier with his birth date, and likely why there are references to 2006 on the CCTV DVDs and other items. They were also energized to follow it directly with QUANTUM OF SOLACE time wise, different than a standalone mission. I'm actually not crazy about twisting and turning to make timelines of missions 1-20, that's not necessary. The Craig Bond films are playing out differently, a sloppy timeline but in the shorter real world time expended not as sloppy as before.
    Just observations, here. BOND 25 ahoy.
    //As stated above by myself and others. The Greene Planet invitation? A typo. Foreshadowing. //

    More like a screw up.

    Again, if Michael G. Wilson had *never* said Quantum took place "literally an hour" after Quantum, it's not an issue. But Wilson and others on the production team kept talking about how special the story was, how it was the first "direct sequel," etc.

    Eon *invited* more scrutiny on the continuity issue. MGW couldn't help himself.

    Whatever.

    At least the "typo" explanation avoids over-the-top explanations that it took Bond two years to track down Mr. White.

    Even with 2006 cell phone technology, Bond could track down White if he had his phone number. That's the whole point for Vesper's sacrifice, ensuring Bond got the phone number.

    Even in 2006, street criminals were smart enough to use disposable phones. Mr. White was *at least as smart* as street criminals.* Once Bond had Mr. White's phone number, he had a short time to track him down. He certainly didn't have two years to do so.

    I'm sorry, but how is this an issue? It's not a typo or a screw up. When they produce a Bond it takes place in the moment. QoS does directly follow on from CR. If you're watching CR the action takes place in 2006. If you're watching QoS the story is taking place in 2008. You view the narrative through the prism of the film you watch. To have the Greene Planet invite reading 2006 is to make the narrative date specific, which they simply wouldn't do.

    You're saying it took Bond two years to find Mr. White when Vesper gave him the means to find him quickly.

    No, he's saying CR takes place in 2008 in the context of QoS. Floating timeline. Look it up.

    Thank you, @Minion. I've just finished smashing my skull into a brick wall.
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