No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2016 Posts: 23,883
    AceHole wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    AceHole wrote: »
    Hiddleston would not be a terrible choice, but he would be a big step down from Craig. Next.

    Don't agree. Hiddleston would be a departure from the Craig style, but then isn't that the best way to move forward - by appointing a successor who is not a copy of the man he's replacing, but someone who brings his own, alternate approach to the role?

    Whoever takes it on, he will have a mountain similar to the one Dalton faced to climb. So it stands to reason that we will need an excellent actor. Hiddleston and Hardy are the only excellent actors so far mentioned.
    I agree that Hiddleston will be excellent, if different to Craig.

    In my personal opinion, he will be superior to the Craig of today, if not the Craig of CR. In my view Craig peaked with his first film, where he gave a Connery worthy performance. Just my view.

    I personally don't think that Craig's successor has the same mountain to climb as Moore's however. I have a feeling, depending on who they select, that he will be accepted by the majority of the audience, as long as the script and story is up to snuff (this is the key point).

    Well... there is a whole generation of cinema goers and fans who have not experienced a Bond other than Craig. Most born in or after 1994 never knew anyone else as Bond. And then being served up a lanky, intellectual 007 in the vein of Hiddleston, for example's sake, will require some adjustment on the part of that audience demographic.

    Remember, that demographic will be the (+/-)10 to 24 year olds by the time the next film is released. That is a HUGE audience (in terms of box office and as far as EoN are concerned) to win over.
    I hear you and I get that. The Craig films have been massively successful no doubt. I just have a feeling it's not going to be as difficult to make this switch (if they choose to) as we on here seem to think. Especially if they do it right now (i.e. post-SP). The key will be the script/story imho.

    Nothing to back this up. Just a feeling, but it will be all down to EON's choice of successor,story & director. They have to get it right.

    James Bond the character is bulletproof right now. Much more than for many years, and Craig & the team have to be given credit for that.

    Of course if they screw up on story/director/tone, then the right choice of actor means nothing. BvS is evidence of this.
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    Hiddlestone has been pretty good at being a refined tough guy in The Night Manager.
    Also, the locations have been at times stunning. If Bond 25 looked like that it'd be off to a good start.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    @bondjames - I am just rather pessimistic that they will choose the next 007 based on what this young, media savvy generation want, as they did with Sam Smith doing the SP tune.
    EoN are a little too concerned with mass appeal for my liking... it may harm the decision making process re. the choice of successor.

    I hope it doesn't, but this demographic of 10-25yr olds is such a big influencer of studio choices, it's scary.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    James Bond Producer Barbara Broccoli Appointed BAFTA Vice-President For Film

    James Bond producer Barbara Broccoli has been appointed BAFTA’s vp for film. Her appointment follows Greg Dyke coming on-board at BAFTA’s vp for TV. Previous vps for film include Duncan Kenworthy and Lord Puttnam. BAFTA can appoint up to three vps, in film, television and games, for a term of up to six years.

    “I am passionate about BAFTA’s role in educating, inspiring and celebrating generations of British film-makers,” said Broccoli. “I am therefore honoured to accept the role of BAFTA’s Vice President for Film”.

    “I am delighted that Barbara Broccoli, one of the most illustrious and respected people in the contemporary film industry, will be joining BAFTA as our Vice President for Film,” said BAFTA chair Anne Morrison. “With her connections on both sides of the Atlantic, Barbara is well placed to be a brilliant ambassador for BAFTA and I know we’ll benefit hugely from her experience and wisdom over the next few years. With Greg Dyke announced recently as our Television Vice President, we are in good hands for the future.”

    Barbara Broccoli and brother Michael G Wilson own EON Productions and have produced the last eight Bond films together including Skyfall and Spectre. They also exec produced Corinna Villari-McFarlane’s A Silent Storm starring Damian Lewis and Andrea Riseborough and Tom Browne’s Radiator starring Richard Johnson, Gemma Jones and Daniel Cerqueira. EON Productions recently announced a creative alliance with Cove Pictures, a joint venture with Smuggler Inc and Red Arrow Entertainment, to develop a number of television shows for the international market.

    Broccoli has also co-produced a number of stage productions including Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, A Steady Rain and Chariots Of Fire. She has Othello at the New York Theatre Workshop starring David Oyelowo and Daniel Craig to be directed by Sam Gold coming up in December 2016.
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    James Bond Producer Barbara Broccoli Appointed BAFTA Vice-President For Film

    James Bond producer Barbara Broccoli has been appointed BAFTA’s vp for film. Her appointment follows Greg Dyke coming on-board at BAFTA’s vp for TV. Previous vps for film include Duncan Kenworthy and Lord Puttnam. BAFTA can appoint up to three vps, in film, television and games, for a term of up to six years.

    “I am passionate about BAFTA’s role in educating, inspiring and celebrating generations of British film-makers,” said Broccoli. “I am therefore honoured to accept the role of BAFTA’s Vice President for Film”.

    “I am delighted that Barbara Broccoli, one of the most illustrious and respected people in the contemporary film industry, will be joining BAFTA as our Vice President for Film,” said BAFTA chair Anne Morrison. “With her connections on both sides of the Atlantic, Barbara is well placed to be a brilliant ambassador for BAFTA and I know we’ll benefit hugely from her experience and wisdom over the next few years. With Greg Dyke announced recently as our Television Vice President, we are in good hands for the future.”

    Barbara Broccoli and brother Michael G Wilson own EON Productions and have produced the last eight Bond films together including Skyfall and Spectre. They also exec produced Corinna Villari-McFarlane’s A Silent Storm starring Damian Lewis and Andrea Riseborough and Tom Browne’s Radiator starring Richard Johnson, Gemma Jones and Daniel Cerqueira. EON Productions recently announced a creative alliance with Cove Pictures, a joint venture with Smuggler Inc and Red Arrow Entertainment, to develop a number of television shows for the international market.

    Broccoli has also co-produced a number of stage productions including Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, A Steady Rain and Chariots Of Fire. She has Othello at the New York Theatre Workshop starring David Oyelowo and Daniel Craig to be directed by Sam Gold coming up in December 2016.

    Didn't realise she was involved with the production of Othello that DC is doing, maybe she can be having words in his ear about doing Bond 25 whilst work on Othello takes place.
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    Interesting news about Barbara Broccoli. Given her large contribution to the British film industry via the Bond films, she seems a good choice for BAFTA.

    Craig's casting was left field. I don' recall the media - print and online - promoting Craig and Bond forums weren't raving about the guy's potential. If history can repeat itself then it won't be Elba, Turner, Stevens or Hiddleston. Having said that, I can sort of see why B Broccoli might favour Hiddleston. As much as I hate to use this word... Hiddleston might be the 'safe' candidate. He's a bit, I dunno, middle-of-the-road, perhaps. Beige Bond! ;))
  • JNOJNO Finland
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    I have absolutely nothing against Hiddleston... as long as the script is well developed and we´ll get also a good director.

    I actually believe Hiddleston would make a fine Bond. I´m a Craig fan but there´s no point in replacing Craig with a clone. Hiddleston would be a different kind of Bond and I think we need that after Craig...

    But of course I want Daniel to do his fifth.
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    AceHole wrote: »
    @bondjames - I am just rather pessimistic that they will choose the next 007 based on what this young, media savvy generation want, as they did with Sam Smith doing the SP tune.
    EoN are a little too concerned with mass appeal for my liking... it may harm the decision making process re. the choice of successor.

    I hope it doesn't, but this demographic of 10-25yr olds is such a big influencer of studio choices, it's scary.

    Indeed.

  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    AceHole wrote: »
    @bondjames - I am just rather pessimistic that they will choose the next 007 based on what this young, media savvy generation want, as they did with Sam Smith doing the SP tune.
    EoN are a little too concerned with mass appeal for my liking... it may harm the decision making process re. the choice of successor.

    I hope it doesn't, but this demographic of 10-25yr olds is such a big influencer of studio choices, it's scary.

    Indeed.

    Agreed too. Although I like to think Smith was just a poor taste in music.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    AceHole wrote: »
    @bondjames - I am just rather pessimistic that they will choose the next 007 based on what this young, media savvy generation want, as they did with Sam Smith doing the SP tune.
    EoN are a little too concerned with mass appeal for my liking... it may harm the decision making process re. the choice of successor.

    I hope it doesn't, but this demographic of 10-25yr olds is such a big influencer of studio choices, it's scary.

    Indeed.
    I am concerned about that, too. In no way Bond should be primarily aimed at media savvy 10-25 year olds. Anything but that. In fact, that was the reason why the Sam Mendes era Bonds have suffered from lack of charisma. Sure, they both are very successful films financially speaking, but neither of them necessarily capture what makes Bond great (i.e. having a very thriller-driven mature spy story to tell a la From Russia With Love).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2016 Posts: 23,883
    AceHole wrote: »
    @bondjames - I am just rather pessimistic that they will choose the next 007 based on what this young, media savvy generation want, as they did with Sam Smith doing the SP tune.
    EoN are a little too concerned with mass appeal for my liking... it may harm the decision making process re. the choice of successor.

    I hope it doesn't, but this demographic of 10-25yr olds is such a big influencer of studio choices, it's scary.

    Indeed.
    I am concerned about that, too. In no way Bond should be primarily aimed at media savvy 10-25 year olds. Anything but that. In fact, that was the reason why the Sam Mendes era Bonds have suffered from lack of charisma. Sure, they both are very successful films financially speaking, but neither of them necessarily capture what makes Bond great (i.e. having a very thriller-driven mature spy story to tell a la From Russia With Love).
    I was curious to see how BvS was received, since arguably the tonal changes from Nolan's vaunted trilogy to Snyder's reimagined concept could portend what can happen with Bond post-Craig.

    Hopefully the tepid (to say the least) reaction to that film will help to focus EON's thinking when they come round to replacing Craig and reconceptualize the Bond world after his run. Scale it back, and don't attempt to pander to a fickle demographic that could turn on you if you don't execute well imho.

    Like Batman, Bond has generations of loyal fans and arguably that older (and perhaps more demanding of quality) generation will hopefully hold some sway with their thinking.
  • DisneyBond007DisneyBond007 Welwyn Garden City
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    If there is a new distributor to be announced, the Americans could react this. Future quotes for the American bond fans will be look like this:

    "Hey bruv, looks like a distributor of James Bond is announced?"

    "What is it bruv"

    Spoilers: "DISNEY"
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I really strongly hope Craig does one more.
    I have never wanted Hiddleston as Bond and that has not changed.
    Aidan Turner is definitely an ok Bond option for me.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Perhaps Barbara's involvement in "Othello" will encourage Craig to do one more Bond film. *Fingers crossed*
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Perhaps Barbara's involvement in "Othello" will encourage Craig to do one more Bond film. *Fingers crossed*

    I think BB production of Othello got Craig's involvement in Othello.

    I don't think any bearing on Bond either way except to suggest there isn't a riff there.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    You guys must have seen something different. After his performance in SP, I am more than ready for Craig to hang it up.

    SP would be the perfect closure for his tenure that's for sure.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Perhaps Barbara's involvement in "Othello" will encourage Craig to do one more Bond film. *Fingers crossed*

    I think BB production of Othello got Craig's involvement in Othello.

    From Arts Beat:

    In a telephone interview from Amsterdam, where he is directing a production of “The Glass Menagerie,” (in Dutch, which he does not speak), Mr. Gold said that Mr. Craig had sought him out after seeing a play that he directed and that the two have been talking and seeking a project on which to collaborate for some time. Mr. Gold said he reached out to Mr. Oyelowo through a friend; the actors read the play together and the project took off.

    “I’ve been wanting to do Shakespeare for a long time — it’s what started me as a director — and I’ve almost done Shakespeare a number of times in the past few years, but it hasn’t worked out,” Mr. Gold said. “Finally, the right thing came together.”

    He said he had chosen “Othello” because it interested the actors and him.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited April 2016 Posts: 4,043
    Birdleson wrote: »
    You guys must have seen something different. After his performance in SP, I am more than ready for Craig to hang it up.

    I didn't mind his performance but it was the one I least like, it does at least to me look like he's bored and going through the motions and cheesy oneliners are not Craig's forte.

    Dead pan oneliners yes but that doesn't time fly line was atrotious.

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    At times it felt like Craig impersonates Brosnan.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    You guys must have seen something different. After his performance in SP, I am more than ready for Craig to hang it up.

    Exactly. I did really like Specter, but the only place I can see it going from here is an OHMSS remake (whether or not it's officially called an OHMSS remake), which I don't want. I also don't want to see Hiddleston as Bond.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    At times it felt like Craig impersonates Brosnan.
    I would agree with this. SP is the closest of his films to the Brosnan ouvre, in more ways than one.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    AceHole wrote: »
    @bondjames - I am just rather pessimistic that they will choose the next 007 based on what this young, media savvy generation want, as they did with Sam Smith doing the SP tune.
    EoN are a little too concerned with mass appeal for my liking... it may harm the decision making process re. the choice of successor.

    I hope it doesn't, but this demographic of 10-25yr olds is such a big influencer of studio choices, it's scary.

    Indeed.
    I am concerned about that, too. In no way Bond should be primarily aimed at media savvy 10-25 year olds. Anything but that. In fact, that was the reason why the Sam Mendes era Bonds have suffered from lack of charisma. Sure, they both are very successful films financially speaking, but neither of them necessarily capture what makes Bond great (i.e. having a very thriller-driven mature spy story to tell a la From Russia With Love).
    I was curious to see how BvS was received, since arguably the tonal changes from Nolan's vaunted trilogy to Snyder's reimagined concept could portend what can happen with Bond post-Craig.

    Hopefully the tepid (to say the least) reaction to that film will help to focus EON's thinking when they come round to replacing Craig and reconceptualize the Bond world after his run. Scale it back, and don't attempt to pander to a fickle demographic that could turn on you if you don't execute well imho.

    Like Batman, Bond has generations of loyal fans and arguably that older (and perhaps more demanding of quality) generation will hopefully hold some sway with their thinking.
    I couldn't have said it better myself, old boy. Well put. What I would want from Bond is to stick to his own mechanics without modifying them for the sake of pleasing the younger ones with immature hearts. Like that Skyfall Lodge story for example, or Blofeld turning out to be Bond's brother and all... I mean, all these teenager/young adult dilemma should find itself escorted out of the Bond flavour. Now, I am all for the gadgets if they are executed accurately and conveniently without forcing them. And I am saying this as a fan of both [the James Bond renditions of] Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan, in their films the gadgets are overused. I'd rather they tone it down to the early Connery films. Let's face it, no Bond film has ever topped the first four Connery films in their classicism in general. If EON really goes to do its own thing rather than recycling history all over again, we'll find something great. Casino Royale, while not my ideal Bond film, was purely originality. And I do highly value and admire that about the film. One more complaint from me about Bond is his psychological trauma and vulnerability to emotions at times (this happened with Craig a lot). I'm not saying let's strip him from humanity, on the contrary. Make him reactive like Connery's Bond whom you'd see disturbed by some tragedy regarding the loss of an innocent life (Paula in Thunderball, for instance, or Tilly Masterson in Goldfinger). You'd see how disturbed he is, but he'll never show you exterior reactions, and instead save it all up for a cold blood revenge. I'd rather have a Bond like that.

    Sorry, old chap, I know I strafed away from the topic, but I did want to make my point with the current protagonists aimed at the youngsters. A 21st century Hollywood protagonist characterization doesn't really suit Bond, if at all. Sure, make him fit in the modern world, but also keep his relic-like personality as well, like the use of vocabulary, witty one liners, puns and quips (not all too comically, no. Connery style), he should be felt as if he's an old soul. That's what I want in Bond as a character.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    bondjames wrote: »
    At times it felt like Craig impersonates Brosnan.
    I would agree with this. SP is the closest of his films to the Brosnan ouvre, in more ways than one.

    Needless to say I loved that :))
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited April 2016 Posts: 4,043
    bondjames wrote: »
    At times it felt like Craig impersonates Brosnan.
    I would agree with this. SP is the closest of his films to the Brosnan ouvre, in more ways than one.

    Possibly why I dislike it like I do, SPECTRE wanted to be old school Bond but Craig's Bond just doesn't suit that.

    I'm sure they could have lightened his approach up a tad but it felt like they just edged his character far too much far too quick.

    I know some wanted him to become like this but it needs to be done gradually, considering it was like a sequel to SF it felt like a totally different interpretation in SP.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Again, I thought Craig's performance in SPECTRE was phenomenal. The wit, cockiness, and dead-pan humor was on point.

    He deserves one more because the villain was left alive. If Bond would have killed him at the end then Craig's retirement would be more justifiable. With Blofeld alive, it sets up a compelling story for a sequel, then Craig can retire. I want so bad to see Craig and Waltz do one more together.

    I know I am biased. Craig is my favorite actor to play Bond thus far, and for that I don't want to see him leave the role.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited April 2016 Posts: 15,713
    Waltz back to take his revenge on Craig Bond, or Craig back on a stand alone mission, or a new Bond actor debuting, I don't care. All I want is for the script issues to end.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Perhaps Barbara's involvement in "Othello" will encourage Craig to do one more Bond film. *Fingers crossed*

    I think BB production of Othello got Craig's involvement in Othello.

    From Arts Beat:

    In a telephone interview from Amsterdam, where he is directing a production of “The Glass Menagerie,” (in Dutch, which he does not speak), Mr. Gold said that Mr. Craig had sought him out after seeing a play that he directed and that the two have been talking and seeking a project on which to collaborate for some time. Mr. Gold said he reached out to Mr. Oyelowo through a friend; the actors read the play together and the project took off.

    “I’ve been wanting to do Shakespeare for a long time — it’s what started me as a director — and I’ve almost done Shakespeare a number of times in the past few years, but it hasn’t worked out,” Mr. Gold said. “Finally, the right thing came together.”

    He said he had chosen “Othello” because it interested the actors and him.

    Yes ...and BB is producing it. Either way that's cool.
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Again, I thought Craig's performance in SPECTRE was phenomenal. The wit, cockiness, and dead-pan humor was on point.

    He deserves one more because the villain was left alive. If Bond would have killed him at the end then Craig's retirement would be more justifiable. With Blofeld alive, it sets up a compelling story for a sequel, then Craig can retire. I want so bad to see Craig and Waltz do one more together.

    I know I am biased. Craig is my favorite actor to play Bond thus far, and for that I don't want to see him leave the role.

    SP has its weaknesses--it occasionally veers from homage into outright appropriation, the London conclusion is fairly generic, and the film in general is less than the sum of its parts--but DC's performance is not among them. I liked him in SP every bit as much as in his three previous Bonds.

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    Craig's performances were different in each of his Bond films. I enjoyed all of them, and I think he was great in SP. It was a little wittier and more humorous than the last 3.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    You guys must have seen something different. After his performance in SP, I am more than ready for Craig to hang it up.

    SP would be the perfect closure for his tenure that's for sure.

    I agree with this. I was disappointed by the movie and felt that the ending was a bit rushed, but it is an ending and it works as such. Bond found his happy ending with Madeleine, as far away as possible from MI6, SPECTRE and Blofeld. That's perfect, IMO.

    Now they should cast Michael Fassbender and move on with new stories.
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