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That's interesting,i've never seen these snippets before.
It does indeed sound like everyone was running around like headless chickens,without getting anything actually done !
Sorry, but that kind of situation isn't unusual in filmmaking/Hollywood - it happens.
Good point.
I'm being serious when I say go and make film. Any film. 10 secs, 30 mins, 2hrs. You can call out their editorial judgement, but I gaurantee most of you wouldn't be able to manage of finance your way out of a paper bag... and that's just for starters.
You absolutely would. At the risk of causing offence (yeah, right), you've got to be pretty thick to assume you don't encounter multiple, serious obstacles and challenges along the way. It's not a couple of people pissing about with a camera. It's like going to war.
What is worth understanding is that big budget franchise films (often with fixed release dates) are like thundering juggernauts, and to meet all the numerous and mounting deadlines (scripting, scouting, casting, production etc. etc.) the juggernaut has to keep moving - and it can be a very bumpy ride sometimes.
@Dennison Of course it happens in filmmaking/Hollywood. Guess what? Most movies are mediocre to awful. I expect more from Bond.
Yep,i can understand that @ColonelSun .
These are good points being made,i can see the logic.
Still she hasn't been able to sustain a coherent vision of Bond in any of the movies she's responsible for. There are so many times in the from her produced movies where she should have gone in and have a word with is the director, but obviously she either wasn't able, willing or even capable to realize what was going wrong ( i'm looking at you second half of DAD and QoS editing. And there would be quite a few more examples if I would care to write them down, believe me ). To me she hasn't shown any trait that would especially qualify her as a producer of whatever.
Yes, for someone to broadly paint BB incompetent based on some leaks which show SP had a less than smooth development and pre-production is failing to grasp the complexity of such a production.
But not any multi million dollar production turns out a train wreck like SP
I think 'train-wreck' is a bit strong.
No official EON Bond film is a train wreck imo.
Thumbs up. Both of them!
Hear. Hear. I find it telling too. Perhaps Michael Wilson is more Bond focused than Barbara atm. Although we know Michael has a huge passion for photography, and is even on the advisory board of Tate Modern (or something similar) in which he advises exhibition directors on photography collections.
In your mind and others it may have been a train wreck but the general consensus skews towards it being a well made film, that on most counts falls short of its predecessor. If you want to have an adult discussion it's best to allow some context rather than letting your particularly hysterical view muddy the discussion.
How old is @noSolaceleft ?
Ask him Gustav ..
Step 1: hire a competent writer the day after your latest Bond film premieres and tell him/her that he/she has 6 months to write the script (which is really a HUGE amount of time considering we are talking about 120-140 sparse pages)
Step 2: reteat to Tahiti for 6 month to recover after the very tiring production of your previous Bond film
Step 3: read the script, if you are satisfied with it, skip the next step, if not, proceed with step four
Step 4: if you are not happy with the script, hire another competent writer to rewrite it, tell him/her that he/she has 6 months
Step 5: Congratulations! You have a pretty damn good finished script*, and only 1 year has passed since the premiere of the latest Bond film. (*If not, you hired incompetent writers, which makes you incompetent and should never work on a Bond film ever again.)
Step 6: start location scouting, previz, etc. and then follow the usual steps.
Hilarious! It's all so simple.
No it isn't. The most polite assessment about I have heard is "I find it a little bit boring", while some are decidedly harder on it.
You guarantee? So you're an experienced screenwriter?
In terms of craft it's a well made film. Editorially everyone has their own individual issues.
What makes you think Barbara was happy with Logan's work?
Why don't you become a screenwriter then? To be fair, Barbara Broccoli did go through all those steps. Probably didn't go to Tahiti though.
@Dennison No, she didn't. Logan did not even start working on Spectre's script in the first six months after Skyfall.
And, if one of them did, would you choose that draft over the others? I cant see why any producer would have just read that, signed and then got on the phone straight away:
"no, no, no"
The producers must take some responsibility not only for that script but where it has now put the plot line.
Of course you would.
So, what does it matter if the work didn't start after six months? Spectre's not that bad a film too. It's not great granted, but it's no Die Another Day.