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@ColonelSun: My point is that it should be INCREDIBLY easy to produce a very good Bond script within one year if you have the money BB/EON/MGM had on the script and you are not even the one writing it.
Dr. No was a monkey in one draft.
It's not unusual in the film business for such a situation to occur. I don't think you've experienced the practical and logistical realities of making a major production. You sound very naive.
@Dennison You know what else isn't unusual in the film business? That a movie turns out to be awful. Just because something is "usual" that doesn't make it OK. Nolan or Tarantino would NEVER start making arrengements related to filming while still figuring out the basics of their scripts.
So it was late on when Christoph Waltz agreed to come on board, and they still didn't have a script to show him?
Just by the people I have talked about it. They of course don't have the insight and knowledge of the people here on this forum, but they have taste and perceptions ( and a wallet ) as well.
Well, you see that's exactly the problem. If she hasn't made it a habit to read the scripts of the movies she's going to make well in advance of the shooting start, to me she is simply in the wrong position. She might know very well about the technical aspects and how and whom to hire for what but the creative part? I don't think so!
If only it was, then it would at least be entertaining.
But they didn't take that one. That's exactly the point.
Hopefully everyone has learned their lesson, and approaches B25 with humility, renewed commitment and focus.
Yep, it's script development - and there can be some crazy ideas thrown around - believe me. I'm afraid it is evident from his posts that @PanchitoPistoles is very, very naive about screenwriting, production and producing.
But someone has to know what works within the Bond series and what doest. Scripts pivot around core concepts that can be pitched in 2 mins and rejected (or accepted) in 2 seconds.
Central core or CR ? yes Central core of QoS Yes (execution was the issue), central core of SF Yes central core of SP? (author of ALL your pain, adopted brother) no.
The foster brother angle wasn't a core feature of original drafts/initial ideas.
They must have had so many chances to dump that ,surely someone,somewhere realised it was a terrible idea ?!
The reality and the issue with big budget films is that, even with strong writers, producers and directors at the helm of the actual production, there are always tons of other voices and opinions (studio execs, distribution, sales, financiers, A list actors etc. etc.) to have to deal with - and that's why, however easy you want it to be or believe it should be - it just doesn't happen like that. Even modest budget independent films have to cope with outside interference from financiers and sales and distribution etc. Easy it never is - and the real talent is being able to work under this kind of sustained creative and commercial pressure.
Just because he expects them to be done professionally?
Taking issue with 'brother gate' is one thing, claiming wholesale knowledge of the industry to a point where you consider yourself a 'better Producer' than Barbara Brocolli, based on some leaked emails, is Broadmoor territory.
Mendes liked that angle, and after the success of Skyfall who'd tell him he was wrong?
You might not like how they linked Bond and Blofeld, but there's nothing inherently wrong with that idea if its pulled off well. It's all in the execution.
Apparently a large percentage of forum members are better producers than Barbara Broccoli! Take note, the future of Bond is safe.
Of course I get it, I'm a screenwriter, I do the job day in and day out. A screenplay builds up from either an initial pitch and/or script discussions between the writer and producers - and if hired at that time, the director as well. From discussions and/or pitch, an outline is written (say 5-15 pages), and then gradually it is expanded into a full treatment (25 - 50 pages), and then, when the producers feel happy with the treatment, they hire the writer to do a 1st draft screenplay. However, sometimes the first draft screenplay, as it naturally grows from the treatment and takes shape, ends up not playing out as well as hoped or planned. Writing a screenplay is very difficult, whatever you might think, and so, even with the best writers in the world, a screenplay can end up being less than hoped for, plus the producers have others (studio execs etc.) who will throw in their opinions as well. Sometimes those opinions derail a script even more, sometimes those opinions are spot on and help the producers and writer/s re-work the material. Sometimes that means returning to treatment form before writing another draft, and I suspect this is what happened with SP after Logan delivered his draft. As I say, easy it ain't, whatever you choose to believe.
I would and BB should have aswell
As I say, big budget production is very complex and, I'm afraid - and I do not mean to belittle you in anyway - it appears you don't understand the reality of film production (if you don't work in films, why should you? - Just as I might have no idea about what you do) - but nothing in film production is, as you state, "not difficult" - I sure wish it was easier. And, with due respect, I am here as ColonelSun, (and I am not asking for your personal details,) so, no, I am not giving you my details via IMDb.
He might want to keep that private to be fair, and for good reason. Otherwise you could easily get someone saying "shut up you worked on xyz so you can't talk" if he says anything remotely critical about one of their posts.
But @ColonelSun has talked in detail about his experience working on LTK (not as a screenwriter but he was involved in production) before, so assuming he's been in the film/TV industry that whole time he'll have decades worth of experience. So you'll forgive me if I take his word over yours and cut EON some slack on this one. After all we were all buzzing when it was revealed that Logan was taking over and Purvis and Wade were gone. Can we really blame Barbara for his drafts? You say they didn't hire people but as far as I'm aware they did hire several writers, it's just that it took those various writers a while to come up with a good draft.
Agreed! I'm sorry but her remit as a producer in the way she handled the preproduction of SP almost negates her credibility. I don't want to be too harsh on her because I'll give credit where it's due; she has made some good calls as a producer but man oh man, SP is a world class case study in deriliction of duty and fundamentally failing to do your job. A shambles and disaster doesnt come close to adequately describing what a colossal error in judgement she and Mickey Willy employed.
@doubleoego Well said! I used to consider BB a great producer, but then I read the SONY leaks. Now I'm really hoping Bond 25 will be the last Bond film she is involved with. (and that goes for MGW too)