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Ooowh? I was talking about the international market, not the US market. Having said so, "Wonder Woman" did good, but certainly not terrific. Especially the foreign market results from James Bond (especially "SPECTRE"), is something "Wonder Woman" could only dream of:
The next one will be a known commodity following a very well received prior establishing entry which has only left 'goodwill' in the market.
It will do far better globally and Warner will push it for all its worth. All they need is a good villain to draw in adults like us. They've got the young market locked until SW comes along.
yeah just imagine if the u.s. total would get up to at least 50 percent. for spectre and really every bond movie between domestic and worldwide its so lopsided 20 percent to 77 percent I mean come on U.S. you can do better then that the U.S. percentage needs to get higher
Anyone from the US on here know why that was ?
Are the US getting fed up with Craig,or even Bond ?
Pretty much any 'general audience member' I've spoken with about SP found it pretty forgettable, so I can't blame them for not shelling out to go see it again. I went to see it with two other friends on my second viewing, and both didn't care for it.
I guess the surveillance angle didn t sit well with the corporate media.
So that's what 'we' will do chaps! We're gonna KILL THE FEMALE NAMED WONDER WOMAN :-D! Bond #25 is gonna rock financially!
I presume it must have been word of mouth,also,from people who had been to see it,telling others to not bother.
But it is a big drop off in viewing figures,i wonder if there is another reason as well.
I wouldn't be surprised if that happens.
If they are being filmed back to back,then I presume you are talking Craig doing 2 more films,not one ?
Apart from SF, Craig hasn't grown the viewing base in the US. It's been pretty stable. SF was the exception, but that was due to many factors. In my view, the 50th anniversary had nothing to do with it, because most folks stateside didn't even know about that. It was primarily the emotional heft/hook of the narrative, the visuals and Bardem's Silva that had people talking. It had exactly the same effect as TDK did 4 years prior, but to a lesser extent. That positive word of mouth was enough to drive the box office globally due to the marketing power of US word of mouth/media.
SP just did what Craig's other entries did (but a little less).
The only actor who really grew the base stateside was Brozza.
Yes,i wondered if it was partly due to Craig.
27.5% U.S.-Canada, 72.5% everywhere else.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=bond23.htm
For SPECTRE, it was 22.7% U.S.-Canada, 77.3% everywhere else.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=bond24.htm
Brosnan era:
GoldenEye 24.4 million
Tomorrow Never Dies 26.9 million.
The World Is Not Enough 24.85 million
Die Another Day 27.6 million
Craig era:
Casino Royale 25.4 million
Quantum of Solace 23.45 million
Skyfall 37.8 million (No. 3 all time among Bond movies)
SPECTRE 23 million
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=jamesbond.htm&adjust_yr=1&p=.htm
FWIW, I think the 50th anniversary helped Skyfall at least somewhat. It was certainly part of the marketing. Also, the four-year absence made people miss Bond. The Olympics opening ceremonies (reinforcing the 50th anniversary theme) was another plus.
However, I think word of mouth helped a lot. Skyfall was the top movie in the U.S. its first weekend. It opened stronger than SPECTRE and finished stronger than SPECTRE through its first give weekends.
Skyfall
Opening weekend: $84.4 million
2d weekend, down 53.5% from opening weekend
3d weekend, down 14% from previous weekend (part of Thanksgiving holiday weekend)
4th weekend, down 53.4% from previous weekend
5th weekend, down 35% from previous weekend -- WAS NO. 1 THIS WEEKEND at $10.78 million (Dec. 7-9, 2012)
Here's how SPECTRE did its first five weekends.
SPECTRE
Opening weekend: $70.4 million
2d weekend down 52.2% from opening weekend
3d weekend down 55.3% from previous weekend
4th weekend down 14% from previous weekend (part of Thanksgiving holiday weekend)
5th weekend, down 57% from previous weekend, at $5.5 million, No. 5 for the weekend
Normally I have to sell 'Bond' to my friends. What was amusing in 2012 is that they were selling Bond to me, almost as if they had forgotten I was a die hard.
Nobody even talked about SP. I had to go on the 'promotion' run again, as per normal.
Something about the ending with Bond on a hilltop watching over his funeral. Just seems like it would be such a great & meaningful scene.
When Skyfall came out, everyone knew about it. I'm the big Bond fan of my friend group but that was the first Bond film that everyone went to see. Even before the reviews were glowing, we all knew we were going to see the film together.
With SP, it seemed that I was the only one aware it was coming out when it was. Just seemed the marketing wasn't as intense or as focused as the previous film. It didn't help that because the films are released two weeks early in the UK, we were hearing that the film was pretty meh well before we had a chance to see it. I enjoyed it for what it was but the couple of friends I saw it with found it quite boring.
I've never been a fan. I understand the reasoning but especially with the last two films, the filmmakers have been very careful not to reveal spoilers during the filmmaking process. And despite my best intentions to stay off the internet in the two weeks before it opens in the US, I found out various plot details before I saw QOS, Skyfall and Spectre. My feeling is if you are going to make these films to be big events with twists and turns in the plot, please just do a global release
I'm kind of with you in principal but that's just ludicrous. I know for sure that if I was tasked with producing a Bond film I would do a better job than 90% of the comedians on here but would I do a better job than Babs? Not a chance.
That said
a) I would certainly do a better job of not signing off on some of the appalling script decisions she made on SP and also the decisions made on DAD (when we're busy castigating SP lets not also forget that she oversaw the indisputable low point of the series history a mere 3 films earlier).
b) If I had been born into the job then would I do any better or worse? Easy to say none of us would do any better but none of us have had the luxury of being groomed for the job from birth.
Shimata!!! (Is that allowed on here or is it verboten in case it is offensive to any Japanese members?)
I really am desperate for us not to court the Chinese market when you see some of the dross they have lapped up recently. Even if it restricts us to making 600-700m rather than hitting the 1b mark - just dont do it.
100% bang on the money.
A lot of people are smashing @PanchitoPistoles but his heart is in the right place. Yes a lot of what he says about the film making business is ridiculous and hyperbolic but when you boil it down to the bottom line what he says is true: I don't care how experienced and competent EON are at juggling all the logistics of a 250m movie - the absolute golden rule is you don't leave a bloke alone to write a script for a year and then suddenly weeks from cameras rolling notice actually it really isn't that good.
This is basically it in a nutshell. None of us (except Panchito) are saying we could produce a Bond film better than EON. But we are saying that we could recognise a shit idea when we heard one and manage to root it out before it ended up in the final cut. And so should they.
In the immortal words of Mr Noel Coward : 'No, no, no, no'
African warlords are just thugs. A Bond villain should have more class and style about him than a load of gold chains, a nicked Mercedes and an AK47. Even the most successful of them all, Idi Amin, was an absolute clown compared to a Blofeld, a Goldfinger or a Drax.
I could have lived with Meryl Streep as Blofeld though. Couldn't have been any worse than stepbrothergate.
Excellent point, and one I think even your biggest detractors cannot argue with. Finally getting hold of the rights to SPECTRE they really were like a 15 year old getting their hands on their first copy of Razzle. Shot their wad everywhere without the slightest thought or planning. Its easy to slag off Marvel but I think they would have thought it through and introduced Blofeld over several films rather than have him go from Bond never having heard of him to vanquished in the space of one film.
How long have we been saying this for? The last really standout action sequence in a Bond film was the CR parkour 11 long years ago. Remember the period 77 to 89 when we got stunning action sequence after stunning action sequence? As you say it really is time EON stepped up to the plate because Cruise and MI are leaving them in their wake at the moment.
If I was running the show I'd beg BJ Worth out of retirement and say 'Give me something to blow people away - money is no object.' Alas the QOS freefall sequence was a nail in the coffin that they'd rather do things with CGI these days. In the 80s BJ and Jake would've done that whole sequence for real, including pulling their chutes inside the sinkhole.
Couldn't agree more. WW smashed it out of the park considering the expectations and anyone who thinks going up against WW2 and Episode 9 is an easy ride is in for a rude awakening. Everyone knows already when Star Wars is going to be released so why do they lock a date in that means you get at best a month of IMAX screenings before you're booted off for the new Star Wars?
A film with a built in fan base over 50 years and a budget of $250m v a film that is part of a franchise that was pretty much stillborn with Batman v Superman and a budget of $150 and Bond only scraped $64m more? Think if I was an investor I'd be 'dreaming' of WW's return on my money over SP's.
Pretty sure he said 'late August/early September'. Given that '30 days hath September' and today is the 14th I would say by any reasonable person's definition he has approximately 3hrs 30 GMT to deliver on this before we hit the 15th and are most definitely into mid September. Dont know about the rest of you but my unshakeable faith that he is the new Baz Bamigboye is starting to waver ever so slightly....
Agreed. With SF everyone at work was talking about it and I got a fair bit of kudos for having gone to the premiere. With SP it was just tumbleweed.
That's what they've been doing with Thanos who been seen (but only in small bits) since 2012. He'll be the big villain next year.
I didn't read the leaked emails, but that doesn't paint a pretty picture. It's easy to say "oh this happens to other films" but MGW and BB have been at this long enough, making Bond films should be a well oiled machine now.
It's the nature of the business, and every film has negative obstacles, pretty much from the word go.
Since Bond's been in 24 official adventures, it's pretty amazing the batting average of these films, isn't it? And since Babs and MGW have been at the helm for twenty two years, they're pretty successful producers for being such idiots, stumbling around in the dark, not knowing what they're doing, aren't they?
Yes, yes, yes, SP wasn't the film they wanted. But SP is not showing a pattern of one weak offering after another, each new film with diminishing returns (at least to most reasonable general audiences, and Bond fans alike). Just relax, B25 will please most, and most will see it more than once. I know it's not popular to say, but I actually think that Babs and Co know what they're doing, in the big picture (pun intended).