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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Bond stopped being a spy in 1953:

    "But now he would attack the arm that held the whip and the gun. The business of espionage could be left to the white-collar boys. They could spy, and catch the spies. He would go after the threat behind the spies, the threat that made them spy."

    Casino Royale
    I love that paragraph on the last page of the novel!
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2017 Posts: 7,592
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  • 001001
    Posts: 1,575
    According to The List, Daniel Craig has expressed a desire for Monica Bellucci to reprise her role as Lucia Sciarra, for his upcoming and final appearance as James Bond.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2017/10/17/monica-bellucci-should-return-to-the-james-bond-franchise/#2a094b4716cb
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    001 wrote: »
    According to The List, Daniel Craig has expressed a desire for Monica Bellucci to reprise her role as Lucia Sciarra, for his upcoming and final appearance as James Bond.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2017/10/17/monica-bellucci-should-return-to-the-james-bond-franchise/#2a094b4716cb

    If true that suggests the script is still in an elementary stage.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    Posts: 732
    No issues with that but I‘d rather want to see Camille return.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited November 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Instead of Madeleine, I'd rather Bond be with Lucia.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    bondjames wrote: »
    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    I don't have an issue with Bond being labelled an assassin, because he is. But he's not just an assassin. I think the issue is when he's made out to be just an assassin and nothing more, like in SP when he says "I kill people" for his job description. I mean yeah, he does, but that's not all he does. He's more than just a killing machine.
    This is the key point in my view.

    Half Hitman half Monk?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,592
    001 wrote: »
    According to The List, Daniel Craig has expressed a desire for Monica Bellucci to reprise her role as Lucia Sciarra, for his upcoming and final appearance as James Bond.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2017/10/17/monica-bellucci-should-return-to-the-james-bond-franchise/#2a094b4716cb
    The original rumour came from that "shatterhand" nonsense, so I wouldn't look into it.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,526
    Dennison wrote: »
    001 wrote: »
    According to The List, Daniel Craig has expressed a desire for Monica Bellucci to reprise her role as Lucia Sciarra, for his upcoming and final appearance as James Bond.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2017/10/17/monica-bellucci-should-return-to-the-james-bond-franchise/#2a094b4716cb

    If true that suggests the script is still in an elementary stage.

    If true? And it does happen? Do you really believe their will be no Blofeld at all?
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    001 wrote: »
    According to The List, Daniel Craig has expressed a desire for Monica Bellucci to reprise her role as Lucia Sciarra, for his upcoming and final appearance as James Bond.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2017/10/17/monica-bellucci-should-return-to-the-james-bond-franchise/#2a094b4716cb

    If true that suggests the script is still in an elementary stage.

    If true? And it does happen? Do you really believe their will be no Blofeld at all?

    I still think Waltz will be in it to be honest.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited November 2017 Posts: 1,756
    boldfinger wrote: »
    My understanding of the definition of a spy is someone who secretly extracts information from an otherwise closed source. The only instance that applies to Bond in the novels is the beginning of YOLT, correct me if I´m mistaken.
    Bond is an investigator, a detective. His license to kill makes him more dangerous to opponents, but I don´t recall any mention in the novels beside Bond´s first two kills (which could easily qualify as a means to evaluate him regarding suitability for the 00 section) where Bond is directly ordered to kill someone.

    I'd define spy more as "obtaining information that one couldn't receive as one self, for a different cause" or simply being professionally disingenuous for an opposite motive. If you think of it that way Bond is definitely a spy. Casino Royale instantly fits that description.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Bond was very much a spy in MR as well,at Drax's chateaux.

    Unfortunately it got Corinne murdered.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Bond was very much a spy in MR as well,at Drax's chateaux.

    Unfortunately it got Corinne murdered.
    To me, Moonraker is almost a flawless Bond film.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Bond was very much a spy in MR as well,at Drax's chateaux.

    Unfortunately it got Corinne murdered.
    To me, Moonraker is almost a flawless Bond film.

    The first half of it is excellent and very serious...it then just goes off the rails a bit.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    I agree that MR is near perfection at what it does and what it wants to be. Tonally it's spot on. I was reminded of it recently when I viewed Thor Ragnarok. The same light playfulness pervades that Marvel entry too, and everyone just seemed to be having a similar blast making it.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    barryt007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Bond was very much a spy in MR as well,at Drax's chateaux.

    Unfortunately it got Corinne murdered.
    To me, Moonraker is almost a flawless Bond film.

    The first half of it is excellent and very serious...it then just goes off the rails a bit.
    If we cut the Jaws/Dolly romance and neutralize the henchman's comedic behaviour, and tone down the humour at the Venetian bits, the film will be granted access to perfection, in my opinion.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Bond was very much a spy in MR as well,at Drax's chateaux.

    Unfortunately it got Corinne murdered.
    To me, Moonraker is almost a flawless Bond film.

    The first half of it is excellent and very serious...it then just goes off the rails a bit.
    If we cut the Jaws/Dolly romance and neutralize the henchman's comedic behaviour, and tone down the humour at the Venetian bits, the film will be granted access to perfection, in my opinion.

    It would definitely shoot up my rankings if that was the case !!

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited November 2017 Posts: 15,423
    barryt007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Bond was very much a spy in MR as well,at Drax's chateaux.

    Unfortunately it got Corinne murdered.
    To me, Moonraker is almost a flawless Bond film.

    The first half of it is excellent and very serious...it then just goes off the rails a bit.
    If we cut the Jaws/Dolly romance and neutralize the henchman's comedic behaviour, and tone down the humour at the Venetian bits, the film will be granted access to perfection, in my opinion.
    It would definitely shoot up my rankings if that was the case !!
    I do fast forward these bits, hence the film resides in my Top 10.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Bond was very much a spy in MR as well,at Drax's chateaux.

    Unfortunately it got Corinne murdered.
    To me, Moonraker is almost a flawless Bond film.

    The first half of it is excellent and very serious...it then just goes off the rails a bit.
    If we cut the Jaws/Dolly romance and neutralize the henchman's comedic behaviour, and tone down the humour at the Venetian bits, the film will be granted access to perfection, in my opinion.
    It would definitely shoot up my rankings if that was the case !!
    I do fast forward these bits, hence the film resides in my Top 10.

    I haven't watched it in years so next time I do I will try that format,it might help !

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    barryt007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Bond was very much a spy in MR as well,at Drax's chateaux.

    Unfortunately it got Corinne murdered.
    To me, Moonraker is almost a flawless Bond film.

    The first half of it is excellent and very serious...it then just goes off the rails a bit.
    If we cut the Jaws/Dolly romance and neutralize the henchman's comedic behaviour, and tone down the humour at the Venetian bits, the film will be granted access to perfection, in my opinion.
    It would definitely shoot up my rankings if that was the case !!
    I do fast forward these bits, hence the film resides in my Top 10.

    I haven't watched it in years so next time I do I will try that format,it might help !
    Here's a deal, @barryt007. I'll cut out those bits, and send the film over to ya in that format. Sounds good, dear lad? ;)
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Bond was very much a spy in MR as well,at Drax's chateaux.

    Unfortunately it got Corinne murdered.
    To me, Moonraker is almost a flawless Bond film.

    The first half of it is excellent and very serious...it then just goes off the rails a bit.
    If we cut the Jaws/Dolly romance and neutralize the henchman's comedic behaviour, and tone down the humour at the Venetian bits, the film will be granted access to perfection, in my opinion.
    It would definitely shoot up my rankings if that was the case !!
    I do fast forward these bits, hence the film resides in my Top 10.

    I haven't watched it in years so next time I do I will try that format,it might help !
    Here's a deal, @barryt007. I'll cut out those bits, and send the film over to ya in that format. Sounds good, dear lad? ;)

    Sounds perfect old pal !! :-bd

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    If Le Carré really thought Bond had the aspects of a "gangster", then the man is indeed delusional.

    A Scooby gangster, then?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    If Le Carré really thought Bond had the aspects of a "gangster", then the man is indeed delusional.

    A Scooby gangster, then?
    That works!
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited November 2017 Posts: 11,425
    MR feels like an underrated classic compared to much of what we've had since 1989. Gilbert knew what he was doing alright. It does all get a bit silly but the space stuff is actually quite beautifully designed and shot.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,216
    Got to see a 35 mm print of MR on the big screen a few years ago as part of a Bond marathon. In the cinema with an audience, it really does work. MR is a lot of fun.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Got to see a 35 mm print of MR on the big screen a few years ago as part of a Bond marathon. In the cinema with an audience, it really does work. MR is a lot of fun.

    I bet the boat chase right before Bond arrives at Drax's/the space finale look stunning in theaters.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Besides the pts, and the clock tower fight, the best sequence in the film.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited November 2017 Posts: 12,837
    I just can't get into MR. It's a real epic for sure and has some brilliant scenes but it just feels like a bit of a slog to get through to me because I find it so by the numbers. One of the only Bond films that I actually find boring.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    I just can't get into MR. It's a real epic for sure and has some brilliant scenes but it just feels like a bit of a slog to get through to me because I find it so by the numbers. One of the only Bond films that I actually find boring.

    ?????

    Its sheer entertainment. The film of the series where you really can see every penny up on the screen. A joyous romp.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    One of the only Bond films that I actually find boring.
    Now, that, my friend, is an oddity. :))

    MR is many things, but boring is certainly not one of them.
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