No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Just give us an all new/different crew, please: director, writers, and composer.

    agreed - but i want Arnold back - or at least someone who knows how to deliver a Bond / John Barry-esq sound... scores for Bond films shouldn't sound like every other action film out there.

  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Would people want David Arnold to return?

    yes, unequivocally... he gets the Bond sound - i posted an interview on these boards from back when he was scoring CR, and you just get the sense that:

    A.) He really loves Bond, and loves scoring the films - his enthusiasm isn't fake
    B.) He gets the Bond sound, and gets what sets scoring Bond films apart from any other film.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    I'd definitely want a reboot, after Craig departs, with a properly portrayed Bond and the rest of the recurring characters remaining intact with the source material counterparts. But, I certainly don't want a Bond Begins story. I'd rather have a mid-career experiencing Bond with a straightforward assignment as the story object like we've had it with Dr. No.

    As for Soderbergh, I semi-like him and his work on the Ocean's Trilogy and Haywire, but the latter was somewhat slow paced and disappointing. It was promoted as a thriller yet it lacked the edge in the film despite being a good entertainment piece. I think Soderbergh has a very sarcastic and cynical touch in composing the portrait of his films, and I believe it would've embraced the template of The Man from UNCLE had he directed it with the spirit of the original show remaining intact. But, he's not the Bond material type of a film director.

    no more reboots... they can continue on, business as usual - with only minimal passing references to the previous films if necessary - just like they did with all the other actors..

    i know the term "soft reboot" is in vogue nowadays - but IMO, any time i hear 'Reboot' - regardless of what it's prefaced with, i immeadiately hear "start over - hit the rest button." ... and i don't want that - continue on just like they did from Sean to Laz - Sean to Rog - Rog to Tim - then Tim to Pierce.. Ralph Fiennes stays on as M, Ben Wishaw as Q, Naomi as Moneypenny and Rory as Tanner... no need to change any of them.

    NO to reboots of any kind.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Yes, but Sam Mendes screwed it up by inserting milestones with specific dates to everything. And that happened with Skyfall and Spectre both, whereas in the old Bond films pre-Craig, dates were never mentioned. Now, you see why a reboot HAS to happen? With no specified dates to anything? That way, we can continue with the actor change tradition repeatedly.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Yes, but Sam Mendes screwed it up by inserting milestones with specific dates to everything. And that happened with Skyfall and Spectre both, whereas in the old Bond films pre-Craig, dates were never mentioned. Now, you see why a reboot HAS to happen? With no specified dates to anything? That way, we can continue with the actor change tradition repeatedly.

    That's not true, Tracy's grave says 1943-1969.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Yes, but Sam Mendes screwed it up by inserting milestones with specific dates to everything. And that happened with Skyfall and Spectre both, whereas in the old Bond films pre-Craig, dates were never mentioned. Now, you see why a reboot HAS to happen? With no specified dates to anything? That way, we can continue with the actor change tradition repeatedly.

    That's not true, Tracy's grave says 1943-1969.
    Well... Yes, maybe that... (sorry for forgetting that)... But nothing beyond that one date.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Yes, but Sam Mendes screwed it up by inserting milestones with specific dates to everything. And that happened with Skyfall and Spectre both, whereas in the old Bond films pre-Craig, dates were never mentioned. Now, you see why a reboot HAS to happen? With no specified dates to anything? That way, we can continue with the actor change tradition repeatedly.

    They can just ignore it.

    How are they going to deal with the MI6 building not actually destroyed? Maybe keep the double o's disguised under Universal Exports in another building? Keep the cool old office.

    I still ponder how they will handle Tracy Bond at some point. That's a significant event in Bond's life.

    But remember these are the same people that just ignored the timetable of Dench's M and poor Sir Miles altogether.

    Dalton really was the last actor to play the Bond closest to Fleming's Bond universe.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    i know the term "soft reboot" is in vogue nowadays - but IMO, any time i hear 'Reboot' - regardless of what it's prefaced with, i immeadiately hear "start over - hit the rest button." ... and i don't want that - continue on just like they did from Sean to Laz - Sean to Rog - Rog to Tim - then Tim to Pierce.. Ralph Fiennes stays on as M, Ben Wishaw as Q, Naomi as Moneypenny and Rory as Tanner... no need to change any of them.
    I'd prefer something along the lines of the transition to Dalton or to Brosnan preferably - that's what I think of as 'soft' reboot.

    I wouldn't mind one MI6 member sticking around for transition's sake (take your pick, although I'd strongly prefer if you didn't say Harris) but I think it's time for new beginnings and new imaginings, all with a 'mission' only focus, and without recreating Bond's wheel.
  • //i know the term "soft reboot" is in vogue nowadays - but IMO, any time i hear 'Reboot' - regardless of what it's prefaced with, i immeadiately hear "start over - hit the rest button." //

    I also think it gets overused. A few years ago, on U.S. cable television, there was a revival of the show Dallas, with the original cast, clearly older and clearly set many years later than the original. In other words, a continuation of the original. Yet it was constantly described as a "reboot."
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    In over 50 years of Bond "they" only made one mistake really concerning cinematic Bond.
    Rebooting with Craig and linking the movies together.
    An experiment that failed miserably.
    Therefore I expect them to do stand-alone movies only from now on.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I sincerely hope so.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    In over 50 years of Bond "they" only made one mistake really concerning cinematic Bond.
    Rebooting with Craig and linking the movies together.
    An experiment that failed miserably.
    Therefore I expect them to do stand-alone movies only from now on.

    I wish they would but I'm not sure that's how BB thinks.
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    In over 50 years of Bond "they" only made one mistake really concerning cinematic Bond.
    Rebooting with Craig and linking the movies together.
    An experiment that failed miserably.
    Therefore I expect them to do stand-alone movies only from now on.

    Nonsense. This series has survived so long because they have constantly reinvented themselves in order to keep things fresh and energized. They must do this. Bond must evolve with the times or die.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I wouldn't go as far as to call it Nonsense! but in a way, that is true. No matter how much we, the conservative Bond fans, distance ourselves from embracing it, the franchise has to survive by appealing to the audience of the current times.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Yes, but Sam Mendes screwed it up by inserting milestones with specific dates to everything. And that happened with Skyfall and Spectre both, whereas in the old Bond films pre-Craig, dates were never mentioned. Now, you see why a reboot HAS to happen? With no specified dates to anything? That way, we can continue with the actor change tradition repeatedly.

    That's not true, Tracy's grave says 1943-1969.
    Well... Yes, maybe that... (sorry for forgetting that)... But nothing beyond that one date.

    GE pts?
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    Yes, but Sam Mendes screwed it up by inserting milestones with specific dates to everything. And that happened with Skyfall and Spectre both, whereas in the old Bond films pre-Craig, dates were never mentioned. Now, you see why a reboot HAS to happen? With no specified dates to anything? That way, we can continue with the actor change tradition repeatedly.

    That's not true, Tracy's grave says 1943-1969.
    Well... Yes, maybe that... (sorry for forgetting that)... But nothing beyond that one date.

    GE pts?

    The mobile phones in Casino Royale also clearly establish that the film takes place over the summer of 2006.

    The invitation to Dominic Greene's party in Quantum of Solace also sets the date for that event as August 23, 2008.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited April 2016 Posts: 15,423
    Yes, but Sam Mendes screwed it up by inserting milestones with specific dates to everything. And that happened with Skyfall and Spectre both, whereas in the old Bond films pre-Craig, dates were never mentioned. Now, you see why a reboot HAS to happen? With no specified dates to anything? That way, we can continue with the actor change tradition repeatedly.

    That's not true, Tracy's grave says 1943-1969.
    Well... Yes, maybe that... (sorry for forgetting that)... But nothing beyond that one date.

    GE pts?
    Only "Nine Years Ago". It didn't say it was 1986 or 1995. It was just during the Cold War and sometime after the fall of Soviet Union. That's the advantage.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    dalton wrote: »
    Yes, but Sam Mendes screwed it up by inserting milestones with specific dates to everything. And that happened with Skyfall and Spectre both, whereas in the old Bond films pre-Craig, dates were never mentioned. Now, you see why a reboot HAS to happen? With no specified dates to anything? That way, we can continue with the actor change tradition repeatedly.

    That's not true, Tracy's grave says 1943-1969.
    Well... Yes, maybe that... (sorry for forgetting that)... But nothing beyond that one date.

    GE pts?

    The mobile phones in Casino Royale also clearly establish that the film takes place over the summer of 2006.

    The invitation to Dominic Greene's party in Quantum of Solace also sets the date for that event as August 23, 2008.
    And there's a notepad on Madeleine Swann's desk dated April 2015. None of this really matters, because the Bond films have always had a loose continuity. That's why standalone films with minimal references tend to work better.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    In OHMSS, during the stock car race, there is also a banner that reads "Happy New Year 1969".
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    dates are not important - i think we are all smart enough to know when these movies are made, and that they are all individual products of their time - there was never any illusion from EON's end with trying to create an "ambiguity" in regards to time.... dates, cars, clothes, music, advancements in cinematic technology - all give away when films were made, and what time they are supposed to be set in.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    In over 50 years of Bond "they" only made one mistake really concerning cinematic Bond.
    Rebooting with Craig and linking the movies together.
    An experiment that failed miserably.
    Therefore I expect them to do stand-alone movies only from now on.

    DN thru DAF are all loosely connected together..

    DN --> who gets referenced in FRWL by Kronsteen --> in GF, Bond brings up Jamaica to Felix, a call back to DN --> TB, Spectre, again, bringing back the same evil organization from DN and FRWL - this time we see the inner workings. --> YOLT, Spectre again, this time Blofeld is revealed. --> in OHMSS, Bond goes through his draw and pulls out Honey's Knife, Grant's strangle watch, and the rebreather from TB --> DAF, Bond gets revenge on Blofeld for killing Tracy in the PTS.....

    they might not have connected them together with time or dates - but in terms of the story, you bet your arse they are linked together..

    and as others have mentioned, Tracy is referenced on 4 separate occasions (TSWLM, FYEO, LTK and TWINE)..

    what i think you mean, is this notion of an overarching story over the course of multiple films... which i can agree with, to a certain degree.. before SP, the overarching story really was only between CR and QOS - which was expected, but even then, the films had different villains, plots, that it does stand alone to a degree... SF was standalone... where SP retconned SF, so now, everything was supposed to be connected from the start..

    did they need to reboot with CR? Not really, but they did - and it worked... where i feel they slipped up was the retconing in SP - thats where things get murky (at least for me).
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Would people want David Arnold to return?
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    In over 50 years of Bond "they" only made one mistake really concerning cinematic Bond.
    Rebooting with Craig and linking the movies together.
    An experiment that failed miserably.
    Therefore I expect them to do stand-alone movies only from now on.

    Nonsense. This series has survived so long because they have constantly reinvented themselves in order to keep things fresh and energized. They must do this. Bond must evolve with the times or die.

    Only the plots must evolve; Bond and his aesthetic universe must and do remain largely the same, because Bond is timeless and unique, and that is what attracts viewers. If Bond himself and his world tack with the times, Bond becomes nothing more than another cardboard Hollywood hero. The continuity is more important than the change.

  • DisneyBond007DisneyBond007 Welwyn Garden City
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    Ok, so MGM needs the new series of the Bond franchise (unless they'll struck the deal with a film studio whenever is Disney or other studios) that looks like this:

    "The Great Martian War: Apocalypse Now" - Where London is invaded by the Martians from Mars after Bond discovered an ancient space helmet while returning to the ruined Skyfall Lodge in Scotland.
    "The Death Collector" - Where Bond faces the new enemy and the new terrorist organisation called SIM (Sinister Intelligence Myth)
    "The Monster" - Where Bond faces the resurrected enemy Silva (from Skyfall) and his new monster called The Grinder.

    3 Bond films will be perfect for that for EON :)]
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I especially like how he even manages to tie the Martian invasion of Earth back to Bond's childhood. Sounds like something Mendes and Logan would come up with.

    In all seriousness, I've seen these posted before. He had been trolling CBn with "The Great Martian War" stuff for a while before I left. Seems it's MI6's turn now.
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    Yes ... back to normality rather than martians ... i'd like Joe Kramer to compose the next Bond score.
  • //dates are not important - i think we are all smart enough to know when these movies are made, and that they are all individual products of their time - there was never any illusion from EON's end with trying to create an "ambiguity" in regards to time....//

    Except, when Michael G. Wilson proclaims during a press conference that Quantum starts "literally 10 minutes after" Casino ended.

    There's no ambiguity there. The time reference in Wilson's comment was explicit. But, if you're going to say that, that in effect is asking for greater scrutiny of this sort of thing. Don't say it if you're not prepared to follow through.

    Honestly, if they had done Quantum the way it is and Wilson and the Eon publicity machine never said anything this was the first "direct sequel," "takes place literally 10 minutes after," etc, there's not much of an issue.
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    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Guys, lets just face it. The next one wont come out until 2019, and then there will be a new actor who will make a few every 4-5 years and will be the last bond
    I hate to say it but that's EXACTLY where I feel the series is heading.
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    Yes, because the studios are going to give up on a franchise that has made over $2 billion over its last two films.

    The franchise may be irreparably harmed by the lengthening gaps between films (or not), it may end up being watered down to a point where none of us enjoy it anymore if an entity like Disney gets their hooks into it (or not), but it's nonsense to suggest that the next Bond will be the last when they are making money hand-over-fist with these films.
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    dalton wrote: »
    Yes, because the studios are going to give up on a franchise that has made over $2 billion over its last two films.

    The franchise may be irreparably harmed by the lengthening gaps between films (or not), it may end up being watered down to a point where none of us enjoy it anymore if an entity like Disney gets their hooks into it (or not), but it's nonsense to suggest that the next Bond will be the last when they are making money hand-over-fist with these films.

    Depends on how successful the next Bond is, how ambitious the filmmakers are in making the film a success, and how ambitious they are in continuing the Bonds as a film series as opposed to an occasional new movie every 4-5 years. If the next actor isn't a hit with audiences and the films flop it could very well be the last. At this point everything is so up in the air anything is possible.
    On the optimistic side, it's nothing the producers haven't dealt with and triumphed over before- GoldenEye, and Casino Royale. Let's just trust they won't let anyone come in and eff the whole thing up, and we'll continue to get more movies on at least a 3 year cycle.
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