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Well, we are talking about a science where people think an expert's advice is "you need twice the budget + marketing to do some benefit". The real expert's advice is "I don't know" :)
The leaks will tell you what some producers think of the fans' reaction.
IIRC, we're supposed to love the idea that Bond and Blofeld were brothers :)
You have to be joking? I haven't studied the leaks in depth but please tell me there's not an e-mail from EON to Sony saying 'We've just come up with a killer twist that is going to have the fans wetting their knickers in excitement'?
Mind you the alternative is just as troubling. If they said 'We've got this twist which is a total disgrace and all the fans will despise it but f**k em we start shooting tomorrow' it suggests either utter contempt or total incompetence.
During the 50th anniversary Bond could do no wrong and everyone seemed pumped for the future.
Now is like hope or don't hope Mickey Mouse gets Bond or wow Batman would have been an awesome Bond. Yea yea so would have that hobbit or Yoki or Nad Max..
It's just eh ~X(
I think they just need to focus on good storytelling. That's what some of us have been advocating strongly on here for some time. It really shouldn't be all that difficult, and yet it apparently is. They also have to rein in some of their directors, who have had a tendency recently to go on self aggrandizing tangents.
As I said in my previous post, I think the director needs to take most of the blame, because I believe he is the one who had tangents in mind regarding relationships that shouldn't have been there etc. rather than focusing the writers on keeping the plot & action simple, direct and yet exciting. Campbell is a master at doing this.
When was the last time a Bond film like this came out? TWINE? TND? 20 years almost. Most younger audience members don't get it. Many negative reviews about SP went along the lines of saying it wasn't like SF, didn't fit Craig's Bond, etc.
I felt the same way about TND when it was released to be honest. Been there done that, bigger and better before I felt at the time. Having said that, my appreciation of that film has increased recently, post-SP, because I believe it does the formula better than the latest film.
Yes I agree. The audience old and new pretty much knows the formula so don't think that's a shock. The execution was what failed.
There's not a problem in doing the formula as this is what has kept people coming back for 50 years.
The problem is Mendes confuses 'doing the Bond formula' with 'fanboy homages'.
Take the Rog era. They recycle the same formula ad infinitum but the difference they don't directly copy from earlier films.
Even AVTAK is a decent enough film.
LALD, TSWLM, MR & FYEO are all great films.
Fixed.
I don't. I think the further along the Moore era gets, the more comedic it gets. He's pretty cold and ruthless throughout a large portion of LALD and TMWTGG.
JW (twice), feeble gags throughout the boat chase (wedding, guy driving the oyster van, comedy sheriff falling in the water), sumo wrestlers arse, kung fu schoolgirls etc etc.
These 'comedy' movements are no better or worse than any others in the Rog era and just as plentiful.
He's also pretty cold and ruthless in as large portions of FYEO and OP.
How, exactly, did SF "shake up" the formula?
Why not go for a personal angle with other characters in the film instead of Bond, SF should have been a full stop with Bond's past.
As I said before if they wanted a deeper element they should have looked into the past of White and ESB instead that would have made much more sense than the half baked foster brother bollocks we got.
Still goes down as the single worst crime in the series for me, SP was particularly pedestrian at times but this element really marks it out as something that can't be pushed aside like so many of it's champions would like us to do, it's left this era with a real awful legacy.
Absofuckinglutey.
The double take pigeon? The slide whistle? The CGI tsunami? Yep they're all shit and embarassing but they can be forgotten in an instant and don't have any bearing on the rest of the film.
Stepbrothergate on the other hand not only pisses on the character of Blofeld but is also not something you can just forget straight after it has happened because it is integral to the plot. And not content with impacting on the film its in it also leaves a legacy that when Blofeld returns (which clearly he will) the scriptwriter surely has to address it in some way?
Is it possible we can just forget it ever happened and have Blofeld and Bond putting on faux chumminess a la Charles Gray without any mention required of the past or are they going to have to finish what they started?
Although does Bond even give the slightest toss about getting revenge for Hannes Oberhauser as in the book because so far he has had no reaction to Franz murdering him? He barely gives a shrug that the guy is responsible for Vesper and M either.
The whole thing is a shocking mess and I genuinely feel sorry for the scriptwriter who ends up with job of trying to unpick it all and turn it to something even vaguely coherent.
Stepbrothergate is a mere look at a photo and one dialogue by Waltz, that could very well be omitted with not much consequence to the movie.
Your darling Skyfall on the other hand produces various plotgates of gigantic proportions that seriously hurt the movie.
It's hilarious how you praise SF to Heaven and ridicule SP for some minor issues.
Truly hilarious.
You are just disappointed and hurt by the fact that EON didn't take Skyfall as the blueprint for anything to follow, and probably even more by the fact that Spectre was almost as successful as Skyfall.
Deal with the fact, that enough people liked SP and many even are glad EON went back to the formula that was established and worked for 40 years.
Skyfall was, like QOS a one-time experiment. Both worked in their ways but both shouldn't be repeated.
Its really dumb, but I really don't think its that big of a deal.
This is a bit rich coming from someone who can't type more than three words without being able to resist the urge to insert the phrase 'SP is the best film ever made'.
Feel free to quote me praising 'my darling SF to heaven' if you can. You might find it easier to find me slating the ludicrous improbability of Silva's clairvoyant plan which I have done numerous times down the years.
I enjoy SP and it's certainly top half (possibly too 10) but that doesn't stop me employing my critical faculties to point out its flaws - which are many.
Unlike you who, in your position on your knees as SP's fluffer, can't stop telling us how phenomenal it is in every single post you make.
Swilring it round and then firing it like a howitzer
I agree.
It's actually only every other post I tell you how phenomenal Spectre is.
And by the way, without fluffers there would be no porn at all. So I take it as a compliment. Somebody has to do it :))
I've been championing Giacchino for the Bond job for ages. He worked on the scores for the Medal of Honour games on the PS1, he done a bang up job on the T.V series Alias, plus, that scene in Up where the two progess through their lives, with no music... Really choked me up. And I'm a cynical old despot!
Except the final act of SP is akin to Razzle's Reader's Wives section - yes it just about does the job but afterwards you feel ashamed of yourself for enjoying it even slightly.