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  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited April 2016 Posts: 9,117
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    @TheWizardOfIce

    It's actually only every other post I tell you how phenomenal Spectre is.
    And by the way, without fluffers there would be no porn at all. So I tak6e it as a compliment. Somebody has to do it :))
    HASEROT wrote: »
    it's an open ending that should be remedied by one last outing for Craig - and not leaving it up to the next guy.

    because a backlash to not doing that, is that we (as fans) have to put up with more nonsense about the James Bond codename theory.... AGAIN.

    What on earth are you drivelling on about?

    How does Craig leaving suddenly open up a debate about the bullshit codename theory?

    In any event there is no codename theory for 'us fans to put up with' except in your own head.

    The general public know nothing about it and just accept each new actor as Bond and the only time I've ever heard anyone representing EON ever mention the idea was Tamahori and we all know what happened to him.

    The only place this theory exists is on these boards and universally everyone thinks it is complete bollocks.

    You just nag anybody, don't you? Why are you making such a big deal of his annoyance with that stupid theory?

    Because it's nonsensical to think that changing the actor suddenly gives credence to this crappy theory.

    Anyway why are you making such a big deal of my annoyance with his annoyance?

    Or do you just like nagging anybody?

    No just you :D

    I'm just kidding but was surprised that you responded to that.

    Well it's such a bullshit theory we need to shut down anyone who even airs it as a possibility IMO so over time it will die out.

    Intetesting to speculate how we all would have reacted 3 years ago to someone coming up with the theory that Blofeld turned out to be Bond's foster brother!

    So let's not be complacent in the face of evil. After SP's big reveal any lunacy is possible now.

    If good men do nothing etc....
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    @TheWizardOfIce

    It's actually only every other post I tell you how phenomenal Spectre is.
    And by the way, without fluffers there would be no porn at all. So I tak6e it as a compliment. Somebody has to do it :))
    HASEROT wrote: »
    it's an open ending that should be remedied by one last outing for Craig - and not leaving it up to the next guy.

    because a backlash to not doing that, is that we (as fans) have to put up with more nonsense about the James Bond codename theory.... AGAIN.

    What on earth are you drivelling on about?

    How does Craig leaving suddenly open up a debate about the bullshit codename theory?

    In any event there is no codename theory for 'us fans to put up with' except in your own head.

    The general public know nothing about it and just accept each new actor as Bond and the only time I've ever heard anyone representing EON ever mention the idea was Tamahori and we all know what happened to him.

    The only place this theory exists is on these boards and universally everyone thinks it is complete bollocks.

    You just nag anybody, don't you? Why are you making such a big deal of his annoyance with that stupid theory?

    Because it's nonsensical to think that changing the actor suddenly gives credence to this crappy theory.

    Anyway why are you making such a big deal of my annoyance with his annoyance?

    Or do you just like nagging anybody?

    No just you :D

    I'm just kidding but was surprised that you responded to that.

    Well it's such a bullshit theory we need to shut down anyone who even airs it as a possibility IMO so over time it will die out.

    Intetesting to speculate how we all would have reacted 3 years ago to someone coming up with the theory that Blofeld turned out to be Bond's foster brother!

    So let's not be complacent in the face of evil. After SP's big reveal any lunacy is possible now.

    If good men do nothing etc....

    Good point ...

    ...and sorry.
  • Posts: 9,860
    NicNac wrote: »
    The codename theory first came about in the 80s when Dalton was still Bond, not after he left.
    It appeared in a red top paper which meant Joe Public took it as fact and it somehow refused to go away.

    I wish it would go away, but I guess it does no damage. It's a minor irritant, much like Idris Elba.

    Actually the code name theory came about due to that god awful parody film Casino Royale 1967. And annoyingly some people took it as fact.

    For me I look at 007 the same way I look at batman or Macgyver (now) different actors and time lines same character.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    ...And as absurd as they are, even P&W have dismissed that codename theory with humiliation thrown at those who always bring it up. That's the most sensible thing P&W have said/done.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,452
    That may be so, but it's the best we've got.
  • Posts: 9,860
    Wait who believes the code name theory? I just saw a thread that was locked because some user actually believes it's the only way to look at the bond's which is super ridiculous. As all bonds are kind of interconnected

    George Lazenby's bond clearly is familiar with the items in his desk all from previous assignments (honey rider's belt Red Grant's belt etc)
    Connery is clearly after Blofeld for the death of his wife in the PTScof diamonds are forever something M even remarks on "may I remind you 007 Blofeld is dead so the least we can hope for is some good work from you"
    Moore's bond is clearly upset when XXX comments on his wife death in the spy who loved me visits Tracy's grave (the for a collegue thing a fellow mi6 user states is ridiculous especially when brought into context with the spy who loved me) in Octopussy Moore's bond killed the main character's father but she refers to him as James Bond clearly if another "bond" did that he would have no recollection of the event.
    Dalton's bond is also easy to connect in licence to kill there is a metion of his dead wife and he goes rogue yet is still James Bond surely he would use his Christian name if the name names bond was part of the job.
    As for brosnan's bond well same rules apply three films make it clear he is the same bond as the rest
    goldeneye's PTS takes place in 1986, so what Dalton and Brosnan switched times as 007 also Alec Trevellyan is still well Alec Trevellyan even after becoming a villain surely if James Bond would come along with 007 the other 00's would get names too. (A point also proved by The Man with the Golden gun and technically Moore's bond goes rogue in that film too and yet he is still James Bond) also Brosnan's bond clearly had dealings with Robert Brown's m as she even says "your predecessor kept brandy"
    Tomorrow never dies: Paris mentions him as James Bond yet she knew him before the events of the film wouldn't she know his real name? Or possibky have slept with a different James Bond 007?
    The world is not enough: a brief metion of his wife
    Did another day lets see where to begin first Bond goes rogue yet is still James Bond he isn't 007 for a large portion of the film (which gives Q the best joke of the movie "well it's the future 000") surely losing his 00 number would also mean losing the name. Yet he is stil James Bond
    Now onto the Craig era
    It's a reboot however a few point in films prove Craig is not the same bond but is still James Bond
    Casino Royale in the PTS he isn't 007 he isn't a 00 agent yet Dryden still refers to him as Mr bond. Why surely if that wasn't his name he would be refereed to as something else
    Bond is also rogue for an hour of the film and is still James Bond
    Quantum of solace bond is rogue and is still James Bond (god I love bond going rogue makes it so much easier to point out how dumb the code and theory is)
    Skyfall: many would use the gadget laiden DB5 as proof of the code name theory and that is silly largely because it could be explained away multiple ways but more importantly in the same film Dench's m talks about how she was head of station H Hong Kong during the Hong Kong takeover and yet tomorrow never dies which takes place roughly the same time she is M so what was she both did she have a twin sister no of course not
    Spectre Once again sing it with me "bond goes rogue and yet still uses his name" also Blofeld is bond's stepbrother surely if James Bond came with 007 Blofeld would of called bond by his real name.

    So there you have it nope the code name theory makes no sense and is quite possibly the dumbest thing Charles K Feldmen ever invented and thruster upon the world
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited April 2016 Posts: 4,399
    HASEROT wrote: »
    it's an open ending that should be remedied by one last outing for Craig - and not leaving it up to the next guy.

    because a backlash to not doing that, is that we (as fans) have to put up with more nonsense about the James Bond codename theory.... AGAIN.

    What on earth are you drivelling on about?

    How does Craig leaving suddenly open up a debate about the bullshit codename theory?

    In any event there is no codename theory for 'us fans to put up with' except in your own head.

    The general public know nothing about it and just accept each new actor as Bond and the only time I've ever heard anyone representing EON ever mention the idea was Tamahori and we all know what happened to him.

    The only place this theory exists is on these boards and universally everyone thinks it is complete bollocks.

    wow... take it easy..

    first off - let me say that i believe that theory is complete bullsh*t.. i have never once believed it, nor do i give credence to those who do.. and i get annoyed every time it is brought up or suggested.. because each time a new film comes out, there is always those couple asshats that read a little too much into a nondescript detail, and they gotta go dig up the codename theory out of it's grave again..... it gets on my nerves that it just doesn't go away and die forever - that sometimes, i feel like Sam Loomis in Halloween - and you just can't kill the damn monster lol..

    so what i was getting at, was that the end of SP being Craig's last - then starting over with a new actor, and leaving it as a loose end that either never gets resolved - or they simply ignore it all together - it's bound to bring a few trolls out from under the bridges to once again badger with the same tired theory - again, and again.. and that having to see it / read it / respond to it - it all just gets annoying.

    ... but continue to talk down to me, that's cool.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    That may be so, but it's the best we've got.

    Someone's been at the Rastafarian Old Holborn today.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    HASEROT wrote: »
    HASEROT wrote: »
    it's an open ending that should be remedied by one last outing for Craig - and not leaving it up to the next guy.

    because a backlash to not doing that, is that we (as fans) have to put up with more nonsense about the James Bond codename theory.... AGAIN.

    What on earth are you drivelling on about?

    How does Craig leaving suddenly open up a debate about the bullshit codename theory?

    In any event there is no codename theory for 'us fans to put up with' except in your own head.

    The general public know nothing about it and just accept each new actor as Bond and the only time I've ever heard anyone representing EON ever mention the idea was Tamahori and we all know what happened to him.

    The only place this theory exists is on these boards and universally everyone thinks it is complete bollocks.

    wow... take it easy..

    first off - let me say that i believe that theory is complete bullsh*t.. i have never once believed it, nor do i give credence to those who do.. and i get annoyed every time it is brought up or suggested.. because each time a new film comes out, there is always those couple asshats that read a little too much into a nondescript detail, and they gotta go dig up the codename theory out of it's grave again..... it gets on my nerves that it just doesn't go away and die forever - that sometimes, i feel like Sam Loomis in Halloween - and you just can't kill the damn monster lol..

    so what i was getting at, was that the end of SP being Craig's last - then starting over with a new actor, and leaving it as a loose end that either never gets resolved - or they simply ignore it all together - it's bound to bring a few trolls out from under the bridges to once again badger with the same tired theory - again, and again.. and that having to see it / read it / respond to it - it all just gets annoying.

    ... but continue to talk down to me, that's cool.

    Don't fret too much. It's like a Napoleon complex thing ....or maybe like Trump's tiny baby hands. Just go with it.
  • Posts: 1,548
    Bond code name theory is rubbish. Nuff said.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Alright, chaps. We've had our fun with this everlasting battle regarding this resultless topic. Let's discuss something else and try not to fight.

    Now... we might have an announcement coming sometime during Summer about the distribution rights as well as a release date for the next Bond film. All we do is to predict now, some claim it may be in 2018 and some others think it'll come out in 2019. We don't know. But, all we have to do is to wait and see. And then, there is the question of Craig whether he'll come back or not. No one knows for sure. Then, there's the director's ground as well as the writers. If we get those credited on board, the rest is easy.
  • You have to be joking? I haven't studied the leaks in depth but please tell me there's not an e-mail from EON to Sony saying 'We've just come up with a killer twist that is going to have the fans wetting their knickers in excitement'?

    It's in one of the files that contains a point by point breakdown of the script by one the producers. IIRC, that's the only time I came across someone writing about "the fans" in all the leaked material I read.

    And yes, IIRC it basically says that Bond and Blofeld being brothers would be a nice touch for the fans...

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    And yes, IIRC it basically says that Bond and Blofeld being brothers would be a nice touch for the fans...
    The person who said that shouldn't be allowed to give ideas or an opinion after saying such a thing.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited April 2016 Posts: 10,592
    And yes, IIRC it basically says that Bond and Blofeld being brothers would be a nice touch for the fans...
    The person who said that shouldn't be allowed to give ideas or an opinion after saying such a thing.
    Babs?

    The brother angle is without a doubt a questionable decision on EoN's part given the similar plotline of a certain Austin Powers movie. However, if I completely disregard the very existence of that film while watching Spectre, I most certainly can get past it. Heck, if anything SP proved that a storyline like that can be done in a more serious matter than what was portrayed in GM (and I know many will disagree here).
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited April 2016 Posts: 15,423
    jake24 wrote: »
    And yes, IIRC it basically says that Bond and Blofeld being brothers would be a nice touch for the fans...
    The person who said that shouldn't be allowed to give ideas or an opinion after saying such a thing.
    Babs?

    The brother angle is without a doubt a questionable decision on EoN's part given the similar plotline of a certain Austin Powers movie. However, if I completely disregard the very existence of that film while watching Spectre, I most certainly can get past it.
    She is the one? Well...

    And yes, people have made several comparisons to Austin Powers In Goldmember the time Skyfall was released, especially when they kept Silva in containment glass, the same way they kept Dr. Evil in one in the former aforementioned film. Yet they took it further with Spectre. Now, if it was just Franz Oberhauser, I would've accepted it, but Oberhauser is now Blofeld... That's not diversity, that's uninspiring and lack of creativity. It's like saying Kennedy was Lincoln reincarnated.

    Oh, and next thing we'll hear that Blofeld hired one Major Dexter Smythe to stage his death and assassinate Hannes Oberhauser himself while doing so, disguising it as an avalanche?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,592
    jake24 wrote: »
    And yes, IIRC it basically says that Bond and Blofeld being brothers would be a nice touch for the fans...
    The person who said that shouldn't be allowed to give ideas or an opinion after saying such a thing.
    Babs?

    The brother angle is without a doubt a questionable decision on EoN's part given the similar plotline of a certain Austin Powers movie. However, if I completely disregard the very existence of that film while watching Spectre, I most certainly can get past it.
    She is the one? Well...

    And yes, people have made several comparisons to Austin Powers In Goldmember the time Skyfall was released, especially when they kept Silva in containment glass, the same way they kept Dr. Evil in one in the former aforementioned film. Yet they took it further with Spectre. Now, if it was just Franz Oberhauser, I would've accepted it, but Oberhauser is now Blofeld... That's not diversity, that's uninspiring and lack of creativity. It's like saying Kennedy was Lincoln reincarnated.

    Certainly can't disagree with you here (I do think the SF comparison is a bit of a stretch though). Despite this, Spectre is still one of my favorites in the series.
  • //However, if I completely disregard the very existence of that film while watching Spectre, I most certainly can get past it.//

    Of course, we had the star of SPECTRE having once said Bond movies couldn't have humor anymore because Austin Powers movies "f***ed us."*

    *http://www.avclub.com/article/daniel-craig-says-austin-powers-fucked-james-bond--212553

    Now, perhaps we should disregard everything the actors, producers and writers say (in particular how Quantum began "literally an hour" after Casino). If we do that, we can avoid wondering if they just make it up as they go along.



  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    I'm just surprised nobody overruled this nonsense during the vetting process. They had how many people reviewing this, and yet stuff like this slips through the crack. That is the truly shocking bit. Where is the critical oversight.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Now, perhaps we should disregard everything the actors, producers and writers say (in particular how Quantum began "literally an hour" after Casino). If we do that, we can avoid wondering if they just make it up as they go along.
    I think it was in one of MI-6's old articles that I've read where it's said that QoS opens 20 minutes after CR.
  • bondjames wrote: »
    I'm just surprised nobody overruled this nonsense during the vetting process. They had how many people reviewing this, and yet stuff like this slips through the crack. That is the truly shocking bit. Where is the critical oversight.

    Earlier in the process, when Tanner was going to be a traitor, everybody involved (including the Sony people) thought this was a splendid idea.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm just surprised nobody overruled this nonsense during the vetting process. They had how many people reviewing this, and yet stuff like this slips through the crack. That is the truly shocking bit. Where is the critical oversight.

    Earlier in the process, when Tanner was going to be a traitor, everybody involved (including the Sony people) thought this was a splendid idea.
    There's must be something wrong with the higher-ups, then.
  • //There's must be something wrong with the higher-ups, then.//

    Reading some of this stuff didn't give me a lot of confidence.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    The whole 'mole' thing is so overexposed in the spy genre. They really need to bin that concept for a while imho.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,592
    //However, if I completely disregard the very existence of that film while watching Spectre, I most certainly can get past it.//

    Of course, we had the star of SPECTRE having once said Bond movies couldn't have humor anymore because Austin Powers movies "f***ed us."*

    *http://www.avclub.com/article/daniel-craig-says-austin-powers-fucked-james-bond--212553

    Now, perhaps we should disregard everything the actors, producers and writers say (in particular how Quantum began "literally an hour" after Casino). If we do that, we can avoid wondering if they just make it up as they go along.



    Kind of twisting my words a bit. What I meant was that it can work for me of it disregard the fact that Goldmember had a similar plotline.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,452
    jake24 wrote: »
    //However, if I completely disregard the very existence of that film while watching Spectre, I most certainly can get past it.//

    Of course, we had the star of SPECTRE having once said Bond movies couldn't have humor anymore because Austin Powers movies "f***ed us."*

    *http://www.avclub.com/article/daniel-craig-says-austin-powers-fucked-james-bond--212553

    Now, perhaps we should disregard everything the actors, producers and writers say (in particular how Quantum began "literally an hour" after Casino). If we do that, we can avoid wondering if they just make it up as they go along.



    Kind of twisting my words a bit. What I meant was that it can work for me of it disregard the fact that Goldmember had a similar plotline.

    No it doesn't. Blofeld and Bond aren't brothers, so I don't see any connection.
  • edited April 2016 Posts: 1,680
    A better twist would have been instead of Oberhauser killing Hans he tried to kill James & somehow connect it to his parents death.
  • jake24 wrote: »
    //However, if I completely disregard the very existence of that film while watching Spectre, I most certainly can get past it.//

    Of course, we had the star of SPECTRE having once said Bond movies couldn't have humor anymore because Austin Powers movies "f***ed us."*

    *http://www.avclub.com/article/daniel-craig-says-austin-powers-fucked-james-bond--212553

    Now, perhaps we should disregard everything the actors, producers and writers say (in particular how Quantum began "literally an hour" after Casino). If we do that, we can avoid wondering if they just make it up as they go along.



    Kind of twisting my words a bit. What I meant was that it can work for me of it disregard the fact that Goldmember had a similar plotline.

    I didn't mean to twist your words. I'm just saying the problem goes beyond one questionable idea (Blofeld as Bond's foster brother). I'm just reminding everyone how the Eon camp (via Daniel Craig) brought up this notion the 007 films had to change because of Austin Powers and then they went straight for the Austin Powers playbook.

    Also, IMO, the Eon camp has a way of making other questionable statements. Besides the ones I cited, there's the denial that Whishaw has been cast (Broccoli and Craig did this as Skyfall's long London shoot was wrapping up and Whishaw had either completed or almost completed his work.

    Earlier, there was the Craig and Forster had to do all the on-set Quantum rewrites themselves even though stories *written at the time Quantum was in production* indicated that screenwriter Joshua Zetumer was doing the final rewrites.

    Again, I didn't mean to twist your words. I was using them as a springboard about, IMO, a broader problem.

  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited April 2016 Posts: 10,592
    jake24 wrote: »
    //However, if I completely disregard the very existence of that film while watching Spectre, I most certainly can get past it.//

    Of course, we had the star of SPECTRE having once said Bond movies couldn't have humor anymore because Austin Powers movies "f***ed us."*

    *http://www.avclub.com/article/daniel-craig-says-austin-powers-fucked-james-bond--212553

    Now, perhaps we should disregard everything the actors, producers and writers say (in particular how Quantum began "literally an hour" after Casino). If we do that, we can avoid wondering if they just make it up as they go along.



    Kind of twisting my words a bit. What I meant was that it can work for me of it disregard the fact that Goldmember had a similar plotline.

    I didn't mean to twist your words. I'm just saying the problem goes beyond one questionable idea (Blofeld as Bond's foster brother). I'm just reminding everyone how the Eon camp (via Daniel Craig) brought up this notion the 007 films had to change because of Austin Powers and then they went straight for the Austin Powers playbook.

    Also, IMO, the Eon camp has a way of making other questionable statements. Besides the ones I cited, there's the denial that Whishaw has been cast (Broccoli and Craig did this as Skyfall's long London shoot was wrapping up and Whishaw had either completed or almost completed his work.

    Earlier, there was the Craig and Forster had to do all the on-set Quantum rewrites themselves even though stories *written at the time Quantum was in production* indicated that screenwriter Joshua Zetumer was doing the final rewrites.

    Again, I didn't mean to twist your words. I was using them as a springboard about, IMO, a broader problem.
    Not to worry. By the way, wasn't Whishaw's casting announced at Skyfall's press conference? It wouldn't have made sense for them to confirm his casting and deny it at a later stage.
  • No, Whishaw's casting wasn't announced at Skyfall's press conference. It wasn't announced until July 2012.

    http://www.007.com/007-gets-his-quartermaster/
  • Meanwhile, Broccoli and Craig denied it in April 2012. "Agents are liars."

    http://www.comingsoon.net/extras/news/89099-skyfall-interview-daniel-craig-and-producer-barbara-broccoli
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