No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Better make that two! :D
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    @boldfinger the night is darkest just before the dawn! ;)
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    @boldfinger What we actually need is something that hasn´t been done before, done amazingly well.
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    I think Mendes will come back and astound audiences and fans alike by doing something completely different.





    He randomly places the gunbarrel in middle of the film.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    ggl007 wrote: »
    EON Productions launches a website: http://www.eon.co.uk/

    There's an email for 007 ENQUIRIES... :)

    Honestly, I am surprised it's taken them this long to launch an official web presence.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    Has anyone sent an email to the 007 address provided about the time table for the next Official announcement? Should we all inundate the mailbox with this same request?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited February 2018 Posts: 10,591
    Spamming Eon Productions with emails is in no way a good idea. Doesn't look too good on the forum either. They would never answer to begin with.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2018 Posts: 23,883
    There's more chance Mendes returns than Nolan or Villeneuve directs Craig's last Bond film.
    One of these three does logically seem to be the most likely at this point in time to me, unless there is in fact a reboot and they go for a less well known name. I can't see Craig working with a MacKenzie or Demange after Mendes. Firstly they're not arty enough for him, let alone not big enough.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Spamming Eon Productions with emails is in no way a good idea. Doesn't look too good on the forum either. They would never answer to begin with.

    Spot on. Announcements will come when they come.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    bondjames wrote: »
    There's more chance Mendes returns than Nolan or Villeneuve directs Craig's last Bond film.
    One of these three does logically seem to be the most likely at this point in time to me, unless there is in fact a reboot and they go for a less well known name. I can't see Craig working with a MacKenzie or Demange after Mendes. Firstly they're not arty enough for him, let alone not big enough.

    Yeah, good point.

    While Moore and Connery could be lured back by simple means, Craig is looking for something specific.

    My guess is if Craig comes back Bond 25 will be a standalone mission, bit in "Logan" style, perhaps telling the story of Bond's last mission.

    That would not be my cup of tea at all, but I could see it keeping all parties happy, and I think that's tough enough at the moment before worrying about what the fans think.
  • bondjames wrote: »
    Bambigoye claimed (I think in Dec) that Nolan was apparently not doing it. How did he know? Well because he said he had interviewed him the previous day. Has anyone got that alleged interview? I can't find a trace of it online. Hmm.

    Maybe this:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5181621/Heart-throb-Harry-film-factor.html

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2018 Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    There's more chance Mendes returns than Nolan or Villeneuve directs Craig's last Bond film.
    One of these three does logically seem to be the most likely at this point in time to me, unless there is in fact a reboot and they go for a less well known name. I can't see Craig working with a MacKenzie or Demange after Mendes. Firstly they're not arty enough for him, let alone not big enough.

    Yeah, good point.

    While Moore and Connery could be lured back by simple means, Craig is looking for something specific.

    My guess is if Craig comes back Bond 25 will be a standalone mission, bit in "Logan" style, perhaps telling the story of Bond's last mission.

    That would not be my cup of tea at all, but I could see it keeping all parties happy, and I think that's tough enough at the moment before worrying about what the fans think.
    If they went that route it wouldn't be my cup of tea either. Strategically I think it would be a mistake to make a film more focused on Bond's arc at this stage as mentioned previously, although that will certainly satisfy a certain component of the fanbase.

    If they did that, the rest of us will just have to wait for the next one in order to get excited.

    I can't see Nolan doing that though. If he's involved it will be something quite different conceptually and not a Logan closeout.
    bondjames wrote: »
    Bambigoye claimed (I think in Dec) that Nolan was apparently not doing it. How did he know? Well because he said he had interviewed him the previous day. Has anyone got that alleged interview? I can't find a trace of it online. Hmm.

    Maybe this:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5181621/Heart-throb-Harry-film-factor.html
    Ah, thanks for that. At least this solves that particular mystery.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 12,466
    boldfinger wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Nolan said he had an idea for Bond that hadn’t been done before,
    That sums up the problem pretty precisely. We don´t need something that hasn´t been done before. We need what has been done before, done amazingly well. Nolan has proven time and again that he is no guarant for quality.

    Doing something that hasn´t been done before is an easy escape from simply doing it right. Most people will be so preoccupied with the aspect of innovation that they overlook the quality. And until they notice millions of tickets will have been wasted.



    As much as I'd love Nolan, Villeneuve or some other fresh blood, my money's on Mendes returning. But my money was also on Hillary Clinton so what do I know.
    I don't know anything. It's just a hunch :P

    There's more chance Mendes returns than Nolan or Villeneuve directs Craig's last Bond film.
    The constant mention of those three makes me feel like we live in very dark ages. Imagine the film music alone: Mendes would bring another Newman wash, and both Nolan or Villeneuve would bring Zimmer or one of his adepts. How can anyone approve of this?

    I only half-agree. If’d be amazing to get a new GF or FRWL, but really how likely is that compared to a new one with innovation? SP tried to make it more classic again, but failed in several ways; I fear if they tried again that’s how it would end up.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    There was an article a while back saying that Bond needs to embrace it's silliness again, which mentioned that its harder to make a camp Bond film that's good today, compared to a serious one. That's true, I suppose. So in retrospect it's interesting how we all praise CR for turning away from the tropes, when it's actually harder to make a film using them work than it is without them. They took the easy road, not the hard.


    Anyway, although I want the camp factor back, if Craig returns for one more it's probably for the best that they hold off for now. I don't want another tonal mess again.
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    It just doesn’t work for Craig as well. There were some good humorous moments in SP, but many others felt totally off. I think they need a CR/QOS styled one for Bond 25, then they can go with a lighter route to start the next actor.

    Connery’s tone was established as mostly serious but still with a fair amount of humor. Same for Lazenby. Moore’s was decidedly more comedic, but still had enough seriousness. Dalton a little more serious, Brosnan a little more silly. Craig obviously more serious. They need to stick with the general tone of the actor and not change it up 4 films in or it feels awkward. Same thing happened to Connery getting too silly in DAF. Moore’s more serious entry, FYEO, still had its fair share of silliness so it worked.
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    @Mendes4Lyfe The return of the camp factor would DESTROY the Bond franchise.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I don't necessarily want 'camp' back and I don't think that's what anyone really wants.

    What I think needs to return is that whimsical sense of fun. The light hearted spirit which used to characterize this series for so long. Yes of course, some films were more serious than others, but ultimately they always had that larger than life otherwordly mystery to them.

    That's gone these days. That also was gone during Dalton's era.

    It's difficult to make a Bond film which embraces reality and also combines it seamlessly with that larger than life (and I don't mean budget or sets) quality. That requires real skill and a deft touch. It's not about tropes. It's about attitude.

    Craig has limitations, and most of us realize that (and did from the moment he was cast). It was masked for a while but now it has been exposed. They will have to deal with that for his last one. If they make a film that is well written, with the kind of humour that was injected in the middle section of CR, then it will work even with him on board.

    Having said that, my biggest problem with where we are right now is that we will soon have had 13+ years of a direct continuity Bond. A character that has, due to the narrative, become synonymous with the actor in a way that was never the case before. I still contend that this was a mistake, and will make it more difficult to proceed going forward without a substantial shift. In some ways, Bond has now fallen into the trap which other major series have, where everything is 'self contained' and inherent, necessitating reboots each time. I think they should have avoided that, because the series had a timeless quality to it without that.
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    Any updates?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    No updates yet.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The first page always gives you that info.
  • My guess is if Craig comes back Bond 25 will be a standalone mission, bit in "Logan" style, perhaps telling the story of Bond's last mission.

    That's what I think as well. Stand alone but an ending. Bond might start off retired but Blofeld and Madeline won't get more than a vague reference, it'll be a new villain that makes him come back for one last mission. That doesn't sound very exciting to me personally. I thought SP worked well as an ending, but if Craig has to return I would have rather them go the YOLT route. But on the other hand, the gaps between films have gotten so long that at the end of the day I'm just happy to get any sort of Bond movie.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
    edited February 2018 Posts: 260
    Still not convinced that we will see Daniel Craig in Bond 25. EON stated "the actor confirmed he would play James Bond for the fifth time...".

    Perhaps it was important back than in the context of studio or distribution deals that Daniel Craig would be playing James Bond again if wanted despite his "slash my wrist" remarks.

    Why does he announced it and not EON?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited February 2018 Posts: 10,591
    Tuxedo wrote: »
    Still not convinced that we will see Daniel Craig in Bond 25. EON stated "the actor confirmed he would play James Bond for the fifth time...".

    EON does not say: Daniel Craig WILL PLAY James Bond for the fifth time in Bond 25.

    Perhaps it was important back than in the context of studio or distribution deals that Daniel Craig would be playing James Bond again if wanted despite his "slash my wrist" remarks.

    Why does he announced it and not EON?
    You're being funny right?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited February 2018 Posts: 8,395
    I agree with @Tuxedo there is still a distinct possibility that Craig said yes while they work something else out. Brosnan and Dalton both left suddenly, it's not without president.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Dalton's case is plausible in comparison. But, Brosnan was never confirmed for his reprisal of the role for his supposed fifth film, nor he had contractual obligations, so he was let go of.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Dalton's case is plausible in comparison. But, Brosnan was never confirmed for his reprisal of the role for his supposed fifth film, nor he had contractual obligations, so he was let go of.

    Well it came as a shock to him...
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Tuxedo wrote: »
    Still not convinced that we will see Daniel Craig in Bond 25. EON stated "the actor confirmed he would play James Bond for the fifth time...".

    Perhaps it was important back than in the context of studio or distribution deals that Daniel Craig would be playing James Bond again if wanted despite his "slash my wrist" remarks.

    Why does he announced it and not EON?

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Dalton's case is plausible in comparison. But, Brosnan was never confirmed for his reprisal of the role for his supposed fifth film, nor he had contractual obligations, so he was let go of.
    Well it came as a shock to him...
    Oh definitely. To me, too when I first heard of his departure.
  • mybudgetbondmybudgetbond The World
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    No camp, thank you very much!

    I know for a lot of people Bond = camp, but that is due to the awful tenure of Roger Moore. I love Sir Roger as a person, but his films were so far removed from what Bond is and should be, that they are unrecognisable from what Ian Fleming wrote, and far from what made Bond popular in the first place.

    I know many hold Sir Rog's Bond close to their hearts, as they are the Bond films from their childhood (as they were mine), but those films are not Bond. Connery's are, Lazenby's was, Dalton's were and Craig's definitely are.

    More of that please.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Craig had a contract for a fifth didn't he, although one that by his own admission someone could wipe their ar$@ with? So the default was always that he would return, unless someone bought him out.

    RE: why he made the announcement, I think it was for him to go and clean up his wrist cutter remarks which had sucked up all the air for nearly two years. They addressed that on the Colbert interview.
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