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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Risico007 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I wouldn't be surprised if it's nonsense too.
    It's not nonsense. Deadline.com is a reputable, trustworthy site.
    I'm sure it is. Let's see. Some of us were quite certain it was going to be Nolan too up until recently, if I recall correctly.

    Let’s be honest until announced I take everything with a grain of salt however some rumors “feel” more true then others

    I still don’t think it will be Boyle look if he gets the job I won’t be shocked but he turned them down twice already so I don’t know however third time might be a charm)
    Agreed. Seems like the rumour du jour to me, which as I said before coincidentally takes the pressure of Craig's bloated face and wrist slash which had begun to make the rounds again.

    Until Baz says something, I would just ignore it.
    bondsum wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I wouldn't be surprised if it's nonsense too.
    It's not nonsense. Deadline.com is a reputable, trustworthy site.
    I'm sure it is. Let's see. Some of us were quite certain it was going to be Nolan too up until recently, if I recall correctly.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Deadline.com that broke the news about Yann Demange, Denis Villeneuve and David Mackenzie being the front-runners for Bond 25 back in July last year that everybody repeated elsewhere? They never tipped Nolan as a possible candidate as far as I know, unless you're referring to Pistoles fervid belief that Nolan was signed up already, which no one (apart from himself) believed anyway.
    @bondsum, I'm not sure where the Demange/Mackenzie rumours originated, but coincidentally the infamous cashleypersia (of reddit notoriety) mentioned them as possibilities well before Deadline. Make of that what you will.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 3,333
    Sure it's a rumour. Hasn't the majority of news or gossip been only rumours on this thread up until now? The thing to take into consideration when weeding out the chaff from the wheat is the source. Deadline.com has been pretty solid with its exclusives so far. That charlatan from Reddit hasn't been, despite his dubious claims that he might have been given shared information from leading, undisclosed London journalists. Like they would give him an exclusive and not publish it themselves first.

    Sorry, I've just seen you've replied to my previous post @bondjames since I posted my above remarks. On the subject of the Reddit charlatan, I recall having had a look at all his past predictions when the subject of Nolan was first brought up and they were way off the mark to the point of being absurd. I have no intention of reviewing his comments again.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2018 Posts: 23,883
    bondsum wrote: »
    Sure it's a rumour. Hasn't the majority of news or gossip been only rumours on this thread up until now? The thing to take into consideration when weeding out the chaff from the wheat is the source. Deadline.com has been pretty solid with its exclusives so far. That charlatan from Reddit hasn't been, despite his dubious claims that he might have been given shared information from leading, undisclosed London journalists. Like they would give him an exclusive and not publish it themselves.
    Fair enough, but the simple fact is Boyle has said numerous times that Bond isn't for him. Unless he's had a dramatic change of heart, I think we should take him at his word. Here he is talking about it a year ago (from about 10:30 onwards):

    http://wmgk.com/2018/02/21/rumored-james-bond-25-director-lie-debella-show/

    Regarding the Nolan rumour, it was actually a reputable Spanish fan website (from which we have a member or two here) who broke the Nolan rumour, and said that their sources were journalists and insiders from both the US & UK. The Redditer pretty much said the same thing a few weeks later. The issue with that all along was that Nolan has said he'd like to reimagine it, and so logic should have dictated he wouldn't sign on to clean up Mendes' mess.

    Furthermore, Baz pretty much debunked it shortly after it broke. That's why he remains the best source for Bond imho.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 17,753
    UNCLE a “shite film”? You lot must’ve been watching an entirely different movie. A collage of Season 3 by any chance?
    Really liked UNCLE myself, too. Very different from the tv series, but still fun.
    Definitely. And I’m impatiently waiting for the sequel.
    Any more news on the possible sequel?
    I’m told talks are still underway but it’s a long shot. A shot that deserves to hit the mark.
    Hope they end up doing a sequel in the end! Period spy comedies aren't made often enough! Throw in another Daniel Pemberton score, as well. His score for UNCLE was fantastic.
    Indeed. Although, I wouldn’t call it a “comedy” just light with humour. And a great one at that! :D

    It’s a EuroSpy film using modern techniques, which I love.

    Well, maybe "comedy" is a bit of a stretch, but UNCLE sure is light in tone, which suits the film. Got to love how Eurospy this film is - much helped by the locations, of course.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    UNCLE a “shite film”? You lot must’ve been watching an entirely different movie. A collage of Season 3 by any chance?
    Really liked UNCLE myself, too. Very different from the tv series, but still fun.
    Definitely. And I’m impatiently waiting for the sequel.
    Any more news on the possible sequel?
    I’m told talks are still underway but it’s a long shot. A shot that deserves to hit the mark.
    Hope they end up doing a sequel in the end! Period spy comedies aren't made often enough! Throw in another Daniel Pemberton score, as well. His score for UNCLE was fantastic.
    Indeed. Although, I wouldn’t call it a “comedy” just light with humour. And a great one at that! :D

    It’s a EuroSpy film using modern techniques, which I love.
    Well, maybe "comedy" is a bit of a stretch, but UNCLE sure is light in tone, which suits the film. Got to love how Eurospy this film is - much helped by the locations, of course.
    Very much so!
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 3,333
    So, you're saying Baz Bamigboye has debunked this story already? Again, I must have missed that. Do you have a link to his debunking? Or are you referring to the Nolan story and not the Boyle one?

    With regards to the "reputable Spanish fan website"... just how reputable is it when it can concoct a story about Nolan working on Bond 25 when the opposite is true?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2018 Posts: 23,883
    bondsum wrote: »
    So, you're saying Baz Bamigboye has debunked this story already? Again, I must have missed that. Do you have a link to his debunking? Or are you referring to the Nolan story and not the Boyle one?
    I was referring to the Nolan story. My point is if it's not Baz, I wouldn't pay too much attention to it. He's been consistently right on most things.
    bondsum wrote: »
    With regards to the "reputable Spanish fan website"... just how reputable is it when it can concoct a story about Nolan working on Bond 25 when the opposite is true?
    Apparently they had a good track record until this recent blunder, and were vouched for by members here. I was always skeptical on account of Nolan's own words, and that is why I ask you to consider what Boyle has said in the past too, rather than what you may wish for.

    I'm not saying he's not possibly involved. Just temper expectations.
  • @bonsum No, Baz debunked the Nolan rumour back in December.

    I think it's clear that Boyle has an "idea". The producers evidently want to work with him, as Danny is something of a national treasure and would be considered a "big get" for EON.

    Maybe they can get Yann Demange to finish off Craig's era with the P&W script and Danny/Hodge are actually doing Bond 26? I suspect Yann wouldn't mind finishing off Craig's era, whilst Danny would be ideally suited to launching a new Bond.

    But I suspect that the reason they want Boyle is to placate Craig, who I imagine has become accustomed to "name" directors. But I have a huge degree of respect for EON as they are not creatively sticking to one path. Clearly there's something in the P&W script that isn't clicking. If Danny has something really good up his sleeve, then why not let him explore it?

    Here's my take:


    1. ) P&W have written a pretty traditional script. They're been doing this for 20 years and know the beats off my heart. I imagine they've written something akin to CR and SF. This is the script that EON were using to entice directors (such as Demange, Villenueve and even Boyle), so I doubt it's shit.

    I suspect that it has traces of Fleming's YOLT. That doesn't mean that Blofeld features, but I think there will certainly be elements that went unused from that novel. It's also Fleming's most morose and melancholic book, which I think will feed into the story.


    2. ) Boyle probably came in and met with the producers and gave his usual line ("I'm not interested in big-budget stuff, etc") and EON convinced him otherwise ("We'll give you creative control, etc"). We know EON are very trusting of their directors and Danny probably got word from Mendes that this is the case.

    So Danny tested EON's mettle. He said that if you guys truly want me to do this, let me rebuild the script to my own tastes. If it works then let's do it, if not we can part ways.

    Now it's totally against EON's best interests to not let this latter scenario work. They have to make the Boyle script work as going back to the P&W script this late in the process could be problematic, as they loose Boyle and the film gets a messy PR trip.


    But this isn't an entirely new situation.

    Mendes threw out Peter Morgan's script for SF and kept the central conceit (M dies). That script was entirely rewritten, the only difference was that instead of bringing in his own writer immediately, Mendes let P&W crack out the first draft.

    We don't really know if Hodge is working off an idea from P&W's script that Danny liked. We don't know if it's totally original idea that Danny has. So we are in a slight holding pattern regarding juicy behind-the-scenes stories. I imagine we'll know fairly soon what's happening. After all, Boyle has a new TV show airing next month that'll need promotion. (also, I hear the show isn't that great....)

    But Boyle is an endlessly creative soul. In my recent research, I found he directed a play on the West Bank with Banksy which tells an alternative version of the nativity. which sounds awesome.

    Also, Boyle is a massive socialist who has actively spoken out about Brexit. I'll love to see how this sentiment will feed into the story for Bond 25. Especially since both Broccoli and Craig actively engaged in the referendum. Could we get our most political Bond film? I imagine the thought of some social commentary must have enticed Boyle to want to tackle Britain's most enduring cultural icon.

    I imagine that thought of a super liberal making a Bond film will make the conservative voices on this forum wither. Which I'm kinda excited about.

    In other news, Boyle got the Arctic Monkeys to perform at the 2012 ceremony. They'd kill a Bond theme:



  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Also, Boyle is a massive socialist who has actively spoken out about Brexit. I'll love to see how this sentiment will feed into the story for Bond 25. Especially since both Broccoli and Craig actively engaged in the referendum. Could we get our most political Bond film? I imagine the thought of some social commentary must have enticed Boyle to want to tackle Britain's most enduring cultural icon.

    I imagine that thought of a super liberal making a Bond film will make the conservative voices on this forum wither. Which I'm kinda excited about.
    Whereas I shudder at the thought of such an inadvisable course of action. Let's hope that this is not what is motivating them.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 3,333
    Baz has been pretty silent over the past year on Bond related news, though I'm sure he's delighted to have you in his corner as his champion @bondjames. Of course, I partially agree with you. But I'll also add that Bamigboye hasn't been the only valid source for Bond gossip in recent years.

    Either way, Baz has yet to dismiss these Boyle rumours, which is odd considering he's been Tweeting like a little bird on his Twitter account the past few days. Maybe there is something to these rumours after all?

    Yes, I'm aware what Danny Boyle has said in the past on not wanting to direct a future Bond movie. I even used to point this out to other members here whenever they brought up his name as a possible and suitable candidate. But (and it's a BIG but) that was a few year's ago, and a director (or actor) is allowed to change his mind. The only real reason that Mendes did Bond was because he'd had a poor string of movies that had all performed badly at the BO and he was having difficulties raising money for future projects. Helming Bond gave him a much needed boost and restored some faith in his ability to make a successful movie again. It could be the reason why Boyle is turning to Bond, thinking: "I'll have some of that!" Of course, the story could be total bollocks and our hopes have been dashed yet again.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2018 Posts: 23,883
    bondsum wrote: »
    Yes, I'm aware what Danny Boyle has said in the past on not wanting to direct a future Bond movie. I even used to point this out to other members here whenever they brought up his name as a possible and suitable candidate. But (and it's a BIG but) that was a few year's ago, and a director (or actor) is allowed to change his mind. The only real reason that Mendes did Bond was because he'd had a poor string of movies that had all performed badly at the BO and he was having difficulties raising money for future projects. Helming Bond gave him a much needed boost and restored some faith in his ability to make a successful movie again. It could be the reason why Boyle is turning to Bond, thinking: "I'll have some of that!" Of course, the story could be total bollocks and our hopes have been dashed yet again.
    There is certainly a possibility and I'm open to him as director. I just find it rather convenient that this story broke around the time that Craig's unfortunate appearance at the BAFTAs was soaking up unwanted attention (along with wrist slash's return). I also find it convenient that there is dual script rumour again, which always gives the initiator an 'out'. After all, if it's the P&W script at the end of the day then they can always just claim that the producers and studios went with that one after all.

    I realize we live in a world of fake news and gossip from 'unnamed insider sources' parading as journalism, but all that's required here is a phone call into the reps to get a definitive 'no'. If they don't get that, then there is something to this. These 'journalists' could have done that with Nolan in December and cleared that rumour up much earlier too, but then they wouldn't have been able to sell papers or get website clicks for months.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 3,333
    Also, Boyle is a massive socialist who has actively spoken out about Brexit. I'll love to see how this sentiment will feed into the story for Bond 25. Especially since both Broccoli and Craig actively engaged in the referendum. Could we get our most political Bond film? I imagine the thought of some social commentary must have enticed Boyle to want to tackle Britain's most enduring cultural icon.

    I imagine that thought of a super liberal making a Bond film will make the conservative voices on this forum wither. Which I'm kinda excited about.

    In other news, Boyle got the Arctic Monkeys to perform at the 2012 ceremony. They'd kill a Bond theme
    Oh dear. Maybe it's best that Boyle doesn't get to do Bond 25 then. I certainly don't want a John le Carré type political thriller. Didn't realise that Craig was actively anti-Brexit, especially with him living in New York City as a tax exile. How ironic that Connery is calling for Scottish independence and Craig is calling for more political union with Europe, so long as their cash is hidden away overseas and they don't live here to face any of the consequences... the hypocrisy!!
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Fair enough, but the simple fact is Boyle has said numerous times that Bond isn't for him. Unless he's had a dramatic change of heart, I think we should take him at his word.
    What are you talking about? When deadline.com reports it, it's a fact that John Hodge is working on the script right now.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Fair enough, but the simple fact is Boyle has said numerous times that Bond isn't for him. Unless he's had a dramatic change of heart, I think we should take him at his word.
    What are you talking about? When deadline.com reports it, it's a fact that John Hodge is working on the script right now.
    Ok. I'll take your (and their) word for it. Fact it is then.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    bondsum wrote: »
    So, you're saying Baz Bamigboye has debunked this story already? Again, I must have missed that. Do you have a link to his debunking? Or are you referring to the Nolan story and not the Boyle one?

    With regards to the "reputable Spanish fan website"... just how reputable is it when it can concoct a story about Nolan working on Bond 25 when the opposite is true?

    Has anyone contacted Baz for comment on the Danny Boyle story?
  • Honestly the thought of Danny Boyle doing it has got me excited for Bond 25 in a way that none of the other announcements so far have. It's like EON have gone out of their way to please me. "Alright Barbara, it's all coming together but there's this one mug on a fan forum who seems a bit unenthused about another Craig movie". "Don't worry, we'll get Danny Boyle to do it and he'll be back to jizzing himself with excitement in no time".

    I think even ignoring the sources, it just sounds more believeable than Nolan. I don't think Nolan would want to do a Craig movie, I think he'd want to be able to really do his own thing with it. Bond 26 seems more likely for him imo.

    And at this point I can't think of anything better. Boyle for Bond 25 and then a Nolan led reboot for 26 has a very, very nice ring to it.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited February 2018 Posts: 15,423
    So, with Nolan on board, we'll be following more of the same as the Craig era, only with a "deeper" storyline and tons of complications.
  • So, with Nolan on board, we'll be following more of the same as the Craig era, only with a "deeper" storyline and tons of complications.

    I don't think that's necessarily true at all. The Craig era cribbed a lot from Nolan's Batman yeah, but he's shown a lot of variety through his movies and I don't think it's fair to assume that he'd repeat what he did with Batman for Bond. Dunkirk for example was very stripped back and barebones, pretty much the exact opposite of the big, dramatic epic style he used for Batman.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    So, with Nolan on board, we'll be following more of the same as the Craig era, only with a "deeper" storyline and tons of complications.

    I don't think that's necessarily true at all. The Craig era cribbed a lot from Nolan's Batman yeah, but he's shown a lot of variety through his movies and I don't think it's fair to assume that he'd repeat what he did with Batman for Bond. Dunkirk for example was very stripped back and barebones, pretty much the exact opposite of the big, dramatic epic style he used for Batman.
    I don't know about that. He carried over the tone of his Dark Knight trilogy in Inception, and to be honest, Dunkirk didn't seem that different despite the stripped down surface. I wouldn't want that kind of tone in the Bond films. We've had enough pastiches of that in the last two.
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    I really do feel everything is being close to the vest because EON doesn't want any leaks unlike what happened last time.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I really do feel everything is being close to the vest because EON doesn't want any leaks unlike what happened last time.
    It's possible, but then again we've had more than our share of leaks from this operation over the past year. In fact, I'd say it's leaking like a sieve.
    --

    Discussion of Nolan is a bit moot at this point sadly, due to his recent remarks.

    Given the Bond films he's on record as saying influenced him and that he likes, there's no doubt in my mind though that if he got the Bond franchise he would deliver a film for the ages - a true celebration of all that's great in cinematic Bond. Directors of his capabilities and vision only come about once in a while and it would be short sighted to think he's a one trick pony.

    I personally think it's a great shame that he hasn't been invited to do the deed this time around, because this sort of opportunity and timing doesn't come around often.
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    Eon should have had this nailed by now. Four year gaps mean the fans should expect a slicker operation than this. Why wait so long when it’s the same old last minute scramble to get the ducks lined up?! Pretty pathetic
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Eon should have had this nailed by now. Four year gaps mean the fans should expect a slicker operation than this. Why wait so long when it’s the same old last minute scramble to get the ducks lined up?! Pretty pathetic

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    Disney buys Bond.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Danny Boyle just as good as Sam Mendes, perhaps a bit fresher and more original given it would be his first and not third. Ultimately we're just shuffling feet until the proper changes can take place after Craig leaves. I don't think the choice of director can impact the lethargy that has befallen the team at EON.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Danny Boyle just as good as Sam Mendes, perhaps a bit fresher and more original given it would be his first and not third. Ultimately we're just shuffling feet until the proper changes can take place after Craig leaves. I don't think the choice of director can impact the lethargy that has befallen the team at EON.
    The only thing that gives this Boyle rumour some credibility for me is that B25 will be the first post-Brexit Bond film (assuming that the powers that be allow it to go through next year). I can imagine that a bit of rah-rah patriotism may be in order to get the crowd on their feet, and perhaps EON feel Boyle could deliver that due to his Olympics experience. After all, this premise worked well enough for SF. Even if Brexit doesn't occur on the intended date, a bit of feel good self congratulation may be required to uplift spirits. Perhaps he can bring that.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Danny Boyle just as good as Sam Mendes, perhaps a bit fresher and more original given it would be his first and not third. Ultimately we're just shuffling feet until the proper changes can take place after Craig leaves. I don't think the choice of director can impact the lethargy that has befallen the team at EON.
    The only thing that gives this Boyle rumour some credibility for me is that B25 will be the first post-Brexit Bond film (assuming that the powers that be allow it to go through next year). I can imagine that a bit of rah-rah patriotism may be in order to get the crowd on their feet, and perhaps EON feel Boyle could deliver that due to his Olympics experience. After all, this premise worked well enough for SF. Even if Brexit doesn't occur on the intended date, a bit of feel good self congratulation may be required to uplift spirits. Perhaps he can bring that.

    Yes good point. And celebration doesn't have to come in the form of fist pumping, but also can be quite sober, so they have some flexibility with the tone. I can't see them not playing up the old Bond once again (hard to avoid looking at the man lately).
  • RC7RC7
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    Boyle won’t bring patriotism. He’s about as left as they come.
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    Yes, just like the Olympics?
  • RC7RC7
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    patb wrote: »
    Yes, just like the Olympics?

    Champagne socialist.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
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    RC7 wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Yes, just like the Olympics?

    Champagne socialist.
    LOL
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