No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Its painful to be a craig fan and also dislike the craig films.
  • Posts: 684
    Those Reddit rumors are wild. Seem plausible but it might just be the temptation to buy anything is all the greater being two years have passed and we've heard next to nothing.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    Strog wrote: »
    Those Reddit rumors are wild. Seem plausible but it might just be the temptation to buy anything is all the greater being two years have passed and we've heard next to nothing.

    That’s disgusting. Never really took the time to look at it that way. 2 whole years. You’re right, next to nothing! EoN must realllllly care about their fans...
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    Posts: 1,003
    Yawn... Same old tabloid BS that he will be replaced by some black transgender or a woman HA.

    I am calling it now boys,

    Announcement on filming date and director late summer. Title announcement and cast in December.

    Filming starts in December.

    They shoot for what six to eight months? Movie out in November?

    Seems reasonable. The franchise is very last minute honestly. This isn’t like Batman/DCEU/Marvel where we get concept art at comic con. LOL.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 684
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Strog wrote: »
    Those Reddit rumors are wild. Seem plausible but it might just be the temptation to buy anything is all the greater being two years have passed and we've heard next to nothing.
    That’s disgusting. Never really took the time to look at it that way. 2 whole years. You’re right, next to nothing! EoN must realllllly care about their fans...
    It definitely can be easy to forget that SP was over two years ago. It's also easy to get frustrated. But by 2019 we'll have had nine films since Barbara and Mike took over in '95, and that'll have been one every 2.66 years. Obviously that can't touch the series operating at peak, and lord knows we could get them at a faster clip without getting in the way of quality, but I can't see complaining about it in the big picture. If B25 really is B&M's last, they'll have roughly taken only a year longer per film than Cubby did (which isn't quite how it feels right now). They basically matched his rate getting out the four Brosnan flicks in seven years. If you think about it, each of the last three decades will have had seven years in each pass without the release of a Bond film, so it's nothing everyone shouldn't be used to by now. That said the gap years are trending larger (since DAD: 4 years, 2 years, 4 years, 3 years, 4 years), and that's less than exciting.

    But hopefully the four year gap we're currently in the midst of is not only being used to work on B25 but also B26, whomever is responsible for it. The current four year wait would be made much easier with the assurance that the era-changeover for B26 will be less the tear it down/build it back up retooling of GE/CR and more seamless in the vein of LALD or TLD. So far each time the actor has had a vague sense that the film would be their final, the transition has been smooth and efficient. Fingers crossed.

    ----

    Thought of something: DAF/LALD might prove to be an interesting comparison point for B25/B26.

    Going into both DAF/B25 the production team faced/faces (a) an older, accepted actor in the lead role going into the film with the understanding it'll be his last and (b) the uncertain choice of which direction to take the film's plot in, owing to the continuity-heavy story of the previous film.

    Cubby and Harry elected to mostly ignore the previous film and get on with it. They completely changed up the tone, then changed it again for the next actor's debut. In response to Connery's leaving, they hired a long-touted, capable, and recognizable leading man to take his place, and got his first two films out in quick fashion.

    Plenty of us now express dissatisfaction of not being given a proper sequel to OHMSS, but the fact remains that the franchise (almost amazingly) survived Connery. Who knows how things might have turned out if Harry and Cubby had made different choices. They had some understanding of how to keep the franchise going. It'll be interesting to see how history compares. Theirs isn't a bad plan to keep in mind.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    They should really films these earlier in the year as opposed to December, wrapping in August and then having to edit the bloody thing in 2.5 months or whatever. It would be wiser if they did what every other films does and film the thing like 1.5 years in advance at least.

    This mentality is possibley why Newman’s score is shite, why the editing in Qos isn’t perfection and why they can never ever do reshoots.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited February 2018 Posts: 8,392
    I wonder if Craig's plans fall through, whether Nolan's idea for B26 would be brought forward. The line "EON are looking for someone else to make the films" implies that they are done once Craig goes.

    Also, if EON really are thinking of selling or handing off the franchise and taking a backseat, would the perfect time to do that be after SF. Think about it, the 4th Bond actor took over for the 25th anniversary, and the 6th and final EON actor would leave with the 50th anniversary. And they would call it quits when the franchise was on an all time high critically and commercially. Why they decided to carry on, only to sell two films later (again, if hearsay is to be believed) is quite baffling to me.

    Regardless, if Nolan did get the chance to reboot, I believe he would throw everything he had into it. His love for the films is undeniable.
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    What do you guys think of Naomi Harris as Moneypenny?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    What do you guys think of Naomi Harris as Moneypenny?
    Miscast. Her part completely miswritten.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    Posts: 732
    What do you guys think of Naomi Harris as Moneypenny?
    I am not a fan of that ex-field-agent thing but in general I personally like her in the role
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    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Its painful to be a craig fan and also dislike the craig films.
    I hear you, @Ottofuse8. Even before CR came out, I thought Craig is the best thing to ever happen to the franchise. Then I also loved and still love QoS. And then with SF and SP I am torn between huge appreciation for Craig´s performance on the one hand and the thought that Craig might be partly responsible for the disaster that is the rest on the other hand.

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    Regardless, if Nolan did get the chance to reboot, I believe he would throw everything he had into it. His love for the films is undeniable.
    Less so than his love for himself and his hammy pseudo-psychology. And a Bond film that looks underexposed? No thanks.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Regardless, if Nolan did get the chance to reboot, I believe he would throw everything he had into it. His love for the films is undeniable.
    Less so than his love for himself and his hammy pseudo-psychology. And a Bond film that looks underexposed? No thanks.
    +1
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    It's become clear to me that I am not following developments as much as I used to. But reading this thread lately, and I might be way off here, but it it feels like they don't have a clue. It is as though EON has never made a Bond film before, and have been told to do so. SP was over two years ago. What have they been doing in that time? I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they are just playing their cards close to their chest, but there is a whiff of unprofessionalism in how they appear to be stumbling along. Making the films used to be a well oiled machine, now it sounds like someone has thrown a sack of grit into the cogs.
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    Either they don't have a clue or are doing a great impression of a firm that doesn't. Either option is not good.
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    So maybe a 5-year gap between B24 and B25. When they planning a release for Bond 26 (new Actor), 2027?
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    It's become clear to me that I am not following developments as much as I used to. But reading this thread lately, and I might be way off here, but it it feels like they don't have a clue. It is as though EON has never made a Bond film before, and have been told to do so. SP was over two years ago. What have they been doing in that time? I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they are just playing their cards close to their chest, but there is a whiff of unprofessionalism in how they appear to be stumbling along. Making the films used to be a well oiled machine, now it sounds like someone has thrown a sack of grit into the cogs.

    They have been making another film since SP.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    It's become clear to me that I am not following developments as much as I used to. But reading this thread lately, and I might be way off here, but it it feels like they don't have a clue. It is as though EON has never made a Bond film before, and have been told to do so. SP was over two years ago. What have they been doing in that time? I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they are just playing their cards close to their chest, but there is a whiff of unprofessionalism in how they appear to be stumbling along. Making the films used to be a well oiled machine, now it sounds like someone has thrown a sack of grit into the cogs.

    But then I think this train of thought comes from reading the fan commentary on here, which is 95% conjecture.

    We all know the reasons why SF was delayed, but they got their ducks in a row and produced what was inarguably a huge critical and financial success. It may be easy to forget for some detractors, I myself had certain issues with it, but never did I see it as anything other than a hugely impressive effort by EON. Bond was huge again.

    If anything it completely overperformed, in a way no Bond film has to come close to in the modern era. It’s understandable they wanted to capitalise on that and equally understandable that they felt Mendes held the key.

    Turns out lightning doesn’t strike twice and again, despite me actually thinking SP is a perfectly fine film, there was some debatable decision making and I’m sure they’ll have thought long and hard about what went wrong during the process.

    There’s no doubt in my mind that is why we’re seeing another prolonged period of development before B25, while they try to nail exactly where they are going. There’s no obvious route and in their two previous attempts to produce ‘sequels’, they’ve turned out to be critical failures, relative to their predecessors.

    For my money Barbara will be only too aware that most tenures end on a damp squib (critically at least), likewise she’ll be aware of the reception afforded SP. She’ll want to address that issue by delivering a satisfying finale to Craig’s tenure.

    Whether people think the processes that are in place are flawed is up to them, but I can see why things have worked out the way they have. Had there been no issues regard MGM’s debt pre-SF we would’ve had B23 served up earlier than expected and things might have taken a more consistent path with moderate success and more films.

    As it turns out, the delay followed by the unmitigated success of SF continues to dictate the path we are on. It’s hard to simply go back to making a ‘standard’ Bond flick in those circumstances, which I know is why some fans want a change, but it’s EON’s decision to stick with Craig and they have the ability to pull it off. I don’t for a minute believe they’re stumbling through. They aren’t obliged to produce a Bond film, they do it because they want to (and I’m convinced this idea of selling up is wide of the mark).

    All I’m saying is, fans need to have some faith. I don’t see the logic in turning up to the MI6 altar everyday praying for delays, or for Craig to put so much weight on he gets fired. It’s become quite tiresome and slightly pathetic. If this series has been as ‘off the rails’ as some suggest it has for the last decade, why are you spending your days on here? I’m being rhetorical of course, I’m fully aware those who bleat the loudest will be the first to slam the next casting decision, the next title and so on... just hoping that those with a more rational mindset can see that a Craig fronted B25 can still work.
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    Some interesting points on here for once.
    I,personally think the Boyle/Hodge scenario could be the genuine one,writing a script to compare to P&W's finished one.
    Which means we are still on course for an Oct/Nov 2019 release with Craig.
  • talos7 wrote: »
    I stand by what I said right after the awards show fiasco, within a month or so Daniel Craig will be displayed in some way and he will look great. At this point he’s eating clean , in the gym and any cosmetic work he may, or may not have had done will have subsided or reversed to a degree.
    All of this talk of him backing out is completely premature. In the eyes of the public, he is James Bond and dramatically announced, to thunderous applause, that he will be returning.
    Trust me, the next time he makes a major appearance he will look great and ready to go out with a bang as 007.

    thunderous applause? Where exactly outside the Colbert show? They didn't even report on it on CNN nor any German Network ( very contrary to the wrist slashing comment, I might add)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,392
    talos7 wrote: »
    I stand by what I said right after the awards show fiasco, within a month or so Daniel Craig will be displayed in some way and he will look great. At this point he’s eating clean , in the gym and any cosmetic work he may, or may not have had done will have subsided or reversed to a degree.
    All of this talk of him backing out is completely premature. In the eyes of the public, he is James Bond and dramatically announced, to thunderous applause, that he will be returning.
    Trust me, the next time he makes a major appearance he will look great and ready to go out with a bang as 007.

    thunderous applause? Where exactly outside the Colbert show? They didn't even report on it on CNN nor any German Network ( very contrary to the wrist slashing comment, I might add)

    That was before we saw how he looked at the BAFTA's. I can't see many applauding now, as Craig has not aged anywhere near as gracefully as Moore or Brosnan at the same age. (or Dalton for that matter.)
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    What Danny Boyle Told the Holywood reporter in 2013. I can see nothing that would have so drastically changed his perception. I think this is all media talk

    THR: I know you don’t want to do a James Bond film -- too big a budget, etc -- but if you could do one your way, on a small budget, full creative freedom, what would a Danny Boyle-made James Bond film look like?

    Boyle: I’ve already done one. You've seen it. Stellar cast as well. But I’m not really the guy for those movies. What we do, right, is we use genre -- you take a genre, like this has got a few genres running in it, you use a genre to try and get you in the mainstream. It’s a vehicle to boost you into the mainstream. And then you f--- with the genre. You twist it and change it and move it around. You can’t do it on those big movies. You genuflect in front of them. Too much money, too expectation. It’s the faith of the fans, it’s all that. You’ve got to be very careful. It’s very tempting of course -- I love the movies, I love the books, but I’m not the right guy for those.
  • Posts: 1,031
    It's become clear to me that I am not following developments as much as I used to. But reading this thread lately, and I might be way off here, but it it feels like they don't have a clue. It is as though EON has never made a Bond film before, and have been told to do so. SP was over two years ago. What have they been doing in that time? I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they are just playing their cards close to their chest, but there is a whiff of unprofessionalism in how they appear to be stumbling along. Making the films used to be a well oiled machine, now it sounds like someone has thrown a sack of grit into the cogs.

    They have been making another film since SP.
    What Danny Boyle Told the Holywood reporter in 2013. I can see nothing that would have so drastically changed his perception. I think this is all media talk

    THR: I know you don’t want to do a James Bond film -- too big a budget, etc -- but if you could do one your way, on a small budget, full creative freedom, what would a Danny Boyle-made James Bond film look like?

    Boyle: I’ve already done one. You've seen it. Stellar cast as well. But I’m not really the guy for those movies. What we do, right, is we use genre -- you take a genre, like this has got a few genres running in it, you use a genre to try and get you in the mainstream. It’s a vehicle to boost you into the mainstream. And then you f--- with the genre. You twist it and change it and move it around. You can’t do it on those big movies. You genuflect in front of them. Too much money, too expectation. It’s the faith of the fans, it’s all that. You’ve got to be very careful. It’s very tempting of course -- I love the movies, I love the books, but I’m not the right guy for those.

    What I said. There was a BBC Culture Show with him in 2013 where he said similar things.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    Dennison wrote: »
    It's become clear to me that I am not following developments as much as I used to. But reading this thread lately, and I might be way off here, but it it feels like they don't have a clue. It is as though EON has never made a Bond film before, and have been told to do so. SP was over two years ago. What have they been doing in that time? I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they are just playing their cards close to their chest, but there is a whiff of unprofessionalism in how they appear to be stumbling along. Making the films used to be a well oiled machine, now it sounds like someone has thrown a sack of grit into the cogs.

    They have been making another film since SP.
    What Danny Boyle Told the Holywood reporter in 2013. I can see nothing that would have so drastically changed his perception. I think this is all media talk

    THR: I know you don’t want to do a James Bond film -- too big a budget, etc -- but if you could do one your way, on a small budget, full creative freedom, what would a Danny Boyle-made James Bond film look like?

    Boyle: I’ve already done one. You've seen it. Stellar cast as well. But I’m not really the guy for those movies. What we do, right, is we use genre -- you take a genre, like this has got a few genres running in it, you use a genre to try and get you in the mainstream. It’s a vehicle to boost you into the mainstream. And then you f--- with the genre. You twist it and change it and move it around. You can’t do it on those big movies. You genuflect in front of them. Too much money, too expectation. It’s the faith of the fans, it’s all that. You’ve got to be very careful. It’s very tempting of course -- I love the movies, I love the books, but I’m not the right guy for those.

    What I said. There was a BBC Culture Show with him in 2013 where he said similar things.

    My Good Friend, we know more as fans than the Daily Mail and Express who run these Bond stories to get their partner betting companies money with an influx of bets.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,196
    talos7 wrote: »
    I stand by what I said right after the awards show fiasco, within a month or so Daniel Craig will be displayed in some way and he will look great. At this point he’s eating clean , in the gym and any cosmetic work he may, or may not have had done will have subsided or reversed to a degree.
    All of this talk of him backing out is completely premature. In the eyes of the public, he is James Bond and dramatically announced, to thunderous applause, that he will be returning.
    Trust me, the next time he makes a major appearance he will look great and ready to go out with a bang as 007.

    thunderous applause? Where exactly outside the Colbert show? They didn't even report on it on CNN nor any German Network ( very contrary to the wrist slashing comment, I might add)
    And the nit pick award goes to...
    Good grief, that’s what you took away from this, really? The point is he will be ready and his announcement was greeted by most fans with enthusiasm.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2018 Posts: 23,883
    It's become clear to me that I am not following developments as much as I used to. But reading this thread lately, and I might be way off here, but it it feels like they don't have a clue. It is as though EON has never made a Bond film before, and have been told to do so. SP was over two years ago. What have they been doing in that time? I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they are just playing their cards close to their chest, but there is a whiff of unprofessionalism in how they appear to be stumbling along. Making the films used to be a well oiled machine, now it sounds like someone has thrown a sack of grit into the cogs.
    Your perceptions mirror my own, although I'm convinced there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than we are aware of. From what I've read, they've been looking at several options and are open to new ideas. That is partially why we've had a long delay. Nothing wrong with that. The other is on account of the business shenanigans at MGM, which lost them a year. I wouldn't call it unprofessionalism so much as being somewhat disorganized organizationally.

    Anyone who has worked in multiple companies knows that there are some operations (and some leaders) who are very good with process. These entities are structured for consistent success. There are others which are anything but. The best ones are able to maintain a certain level of control while also allowing artistic creativity & innovation to shine through. They tend to deliver decent products consistently. In such operations, a mega hit is not 'luck', but rather the product of that process. It's really a fine balance.

    I'm optimistic about this Boyle news and look forward to an update by May.
    talos7 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I stand by what I said right after the awards show fiasco, within a month or so Daniel Craig will be displayed in some way and he will look great. At this point he’s eating clean , in the gym and any cosmetic work he may, or may not have had done will have subsided or reversed to a degree.
    All of this talk of him backing out is completely premature. In the eyes of the public, he is James Bond and dramatically announced, to thunderous applause, that he will be returning.
    Trust me, the next time he makes a major appearance he will look great and ready to go out with a bang as 007.

    thunderous applause? Where exactly outside the Colbert show? They didn't even report on it on CNN nor any German Network ( very contrary to the wrist slashing comment, I might add)
    And the nit pick award goes to...
    Good grief, that’s what you took away from this, really? The point is he will be ready and his announcement was greeted by most fans with enthusiasm.
    I do agree with him that there wasn't any thunderous applause (except on the Colbert set - I've been on those shows and they actually tell you when to clap). The next day I saw miscommunication (with some papers and websites reporting that he was unsure and others reporting that he was in, depending on when they went to press). Two days later it was all but forgotten. Some members over here may have been jumping up and down with glee for days, but the general public just moved on.

    As I said, it's primary purpose was to kill 'wrist slash' dead in articles referencing Bond (it had been quoted in nearly every article for two full years). It worked, until his unusual BAFTA appearance rekindled the comments in articles. Then we coincidentally had the Boyle news break and fortunately it has taken attention away until he goes into hiding and gets whatever problems he may have sorted out.
  • RC7 wrote: »
    It's become clear to me that I am not following developments as much as I used to. But reading this thread lately, and I might be way off here, but it it feels like they don't have a clue. It is as though EON has never made a Bond film before, and have been told to do so. SP was over two years ago. What have they been doing in that time? I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they are just playing their cards close to their chest, but there is a whiff of unprofessionalism in how they appear to be stumbling along. Making the films used to be a well oiled machine, now it sounds like someone has thrown a sack of grit into the cogs.

    But then I think this train of thought comes from reading the fan commentary on here, which is 95% conjecture.

    We all know the reasons why SF was delayed, but they got their ducks in a row and produced what was inarguably a huge critical and financial success. It may be easy to forget for some detractors, I myself had certain issues with it, but never did I see it as anything other than a hugely impressive effort by EON. Bond was huge again.

    If anything it completely overperformed, in a way no Bond film has to come close to in the modern era. It’s understandable they wanted to capitalise on that and equally understandable that they felt Mendes held the key.

    Turns out lightning doesn’t strike twice and again, despite me actually thinking SP is a perfectly fine film, there was some debatable decision making and I’m sure they’ll have thought long and hard about what went wrong during the process.

    There’s no doubt in my mind that is why we’re seeing another prolonged period of development before B25, while they try to nail exactly where they are going. There’s no obvious route and in their two previous attempts to produce ‘sequels’, they’ve turned out to be critical failures, relative to their predecessors.

    For my money Barbara will be only too aware that most tenures end on a damp squib (critically at least), likewise she’ll be aware of the reception afforded SP. She’ll want to address that issue by delivering a satisfying finale to Craig’s tenure.

    Whether people think the processes that are in place are flawed is up to them, but I can see why things have worked out the way they have. Had there been no issues regard MGM’s debt pre-SF we would’ve had B23 served up earlier than expected and things might have taken a more consistent path with moderate success and more films.

    As it turns out, the delay followed by the unmitigated success of SF continues to dictate the path we are on. It’s hard to simply go back to making a ‘standard’ Bond flick in those circumstances, which I know is why some fans want a change, but it’s EON’s decision to stick with Craig and they have the ability to pull it off. I don’t for a minute believe they’re stumbling through. They aren’t obliged to produce a Bond film, they do it because they want to (and I’m convinced this idea of selling up is wide of the mark).

    All I’m saying is, fans need to have some faith. I don’t see the logic in turning up to the MI6 altar everyday praying for delays, or for Craig to put so much weight on he gets fired. It’s become quite tiresome and slightly pathetic. If this series has been as ‘off the rails’ as some suggest it has for the last decade, why are you spending your days on here? I’m being rhetorical of course, I’m fully aware those who bleat the loudest will be the first to slam the next casting decision, the next title and so on... just hoping that those with a more rational mindset can see that a Craig fronted B25 can still work.

    In short, anyone who doesn't praise and applaud is on a general negativity rant.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited February 2018 Posts: 8,196
    No matter where Dan’s return was announced, in the big picture it’s not “news” it’s an entertainment report. Is it supposed to receive wall to wall coverage like a major world event? Within the context of its overall importance, it received very good coverage.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    What do you guys think of Naomi Harris as Moneypenny?
    Miscast. Her part completely miswritten.

    Agreed.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2018 Posts: 23,883
    talos7 wrote: »
    No matter where Dan’s return was announced, in the big picture it’s not “news” it’s an entertainment report. Is it supposed to receive wall to wall coverage like a major world event. Within the context of its overall importance, it received very good coverage.
    It received as much attention as it deserved - for a day. Then people moved onto the next story regarding Bond. Since that announcement last August there has been far more coverage and speculation about his numerous possible successors, his appearance, Villenueve and Boyle in publications than anything else. That is what the public remembers.
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