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I've given some thought to it and I think a lot for me has to do with the pacing too. For example, I mentioned on another thread that I've always felt that Glen's 'relatively' quick (in comparison to say, Gilbert's, Hamilton's or Young's) pacing prevents me from experiencing the locales as well in his films. The same goes for QoS, but even more so.
Same here. Maybe for the next Bond, as Fincher will be shooting World War Z 2 likely this fall/winter.
Just to bring this back around to Bond 25: again, I like what Forster went for with QOS. Ultimately it fell short of the mark, but I sort of wish they had picked up where he left off for what became SF (although I do like SF as well). Though QOS was in parts derivative of what Bourne was doing, I think it was also in parts very classically Bond. I think there's an interesting marriage of styles there that they might have stumbled into if they had logically taken QOS to its full conclusion in the 'missing' Craig film. And I think, had they accomplished this, they might've been ahead of the curve for a first time in a long while. However much I like SF, its influences from TDK are well-observed.
Anyway, I wouldn't mind if they got there now, with his last. And based on the rumored directors, it does indeed look like they might be attempting to evoke something of the spirit of CR and QOS. So we might get there.
EDIT: This sounds very vague to me, reading back what I'm trying to say. I might not be doing a great job of conveying what I'm talking about.
I have a feeling EON don't intend to give us anything close to QoS (which I completely agree was terribly derivative in an overt way of Bourne as I've mentioned on other threads, but also evoked classic Bond as you noted). For one thing, Craig is much older and less intense of an actor now, so I can't see anything as action packed and dialogue light.
If anything, I have a feeling that SF is what they are going to try to emulate. When I say that I don't mean that they are going to give us TDK 2 or SF 2. What I mean is that I think they will try to recapture those aspects which worked so well in that film. SF sort of played with the audience expectations of what a Bond film could be, by jettisoning some of the traditional narrative structure while also inserting some of the tropes that had been missing. Significantly, it had an emotional hook which resonated with the audience and powerful 'one on one' character exchanges (nearly every moment is impactful). None of that existed in the disappointing and by the numbers SP. So I expect they will try to give us something different and fresh from the standard formula for B25 while also ensuring thematic heft. After all Craig is still Bond.
Which recent films will they draw inspiration from? That I can't say. We know that Logan has been considered, but since then the globally popular films have had a much lighter tone and that's where I think they are going to have a problem, because that doesn't suit Craig imho. Perhaps that is why Hodge is reportedly in, and with any luck it means more dramatic changes are in store.
Some fans think Bond 24 would have come out in 2014 had Eon not waited on Mendes. (This notion has been expressed more than once in this long thread.) My point is Bond 24 would have come out in 2015 regardless.
I agree. I wasn’t aware that Nolan was so against CGI though. I seem to remember a number of obviously CGI shots in Dunkirk. However I would absolutely welcome a return to traditional special effects and model work - I think the last 2 Star Wars films have done this to a certain extent after the visual disasters that were the prequels.
Obviously SW still uses CGI but the return of studio sets, models, real location work and large scale props has given those films back some of the visual impact and flavour of the original trilogy.
I totally agree with you that you can still usually tell when something is not real with CGI. I’m not entirely sure they are ever going to fix that issue either. There is no substitute for filming actual sets, locations/objects/landscapes/cityscapes and people if you want things to look real.
The lack of real location shooting in several of the recent Bonds has been a massive disappointment for me. Everything looks a little too slick/manicured. The Connery, Moore and Dalton films all had location work from real cities that looked authentic and gave you that flavour of an actual place. Can’t really think the last time we had that.
QOS whizzed around the world without giving us a real sense of anywhere. We got tantalising glimpses of Sienna but then a CGI rooftop chase. SF took a real crazy abandoned mining island as the inspiration for Silva’s island but couldn’t even manage some establishing location shots of the real thing. The ‘Scottish Highlands’ were actually an army training range in the south of England. SP took us to Rome without a single shot of Bond walking across the piazza Navona or dining out in Trastevere. The SP meeting externals were of Blenheim palace in Oxfordshire. Algiers was pure CGI.
Have to say the only recent decent use of location was Venice in CR with its nice little homage to ‘Dont look now!’
I’d like to see a good half hour sequence in the next film with Bond on location, doing some digging around, eating out and seducing all within the context of a real and recognisable location/city where we see Bond walking a real street.
Boyle is currently balancing this project with the James Bond script he is working on with John Hodge
I would also like to say regardless of who is rumored to direct we should not assume that plot elements of spectre will be dropped like hot potatoes. Going with the last rumored director I doubt that any of us know Boyle personally nor do we know his views on spectre for all any of us know he could love the brother angle between Bond and Blofield and want to push that further in Bond 25 or he could hate it and want to bury it we know nothing and it is stupid to assume that (insert new rumored director here) is going to view the previous bond films the way we do.
If (and sorry but I still see no definitive evidence but I have been wrong in the past) Boyle is going to direct Bond 25 the only things we can assume are
The budget will be smaller and tighter (as that is what he said was a sticking point in 2013)
The action will be smaller scale and there will be an emphasis on character (again based on his comments)
And that is it. Which technically means both an updated version of Moonraker (the book though after three films can be producers mine another one please) Is just as valid in theory as a film that picks up where the last one left off and use You Only Live Twice ( the novel) as the main source of the plot
Like I said it’s March.....
A quick story in 2008 Jon Anderson of Yes got sick and could not tour with Yes with the summer tour cancled and rumors of a new singer the fan forums were in high overdrive bassist Chris Squire (May he Rest In Peace) jumped into the fray and wrote essentially this (I am paraphrasing)
“Enjoy the now. Don’t speculate about the future don’t bring up the past go outside and enjoy the day now when news comes it will come just relax and enjoy the now”
That's hardly worthy of inspiring confidence, given what a mess that film was.
TND turned out great considering the fast turnover. My problem with B25 working so fast is that there's really no need for them to have to get to that stage. They've had 3 years so far to work on this movie. It beggars belief that they're nowhere closer to a script of any kind now than they were in November 2015!
At least that is what Craig alluded to in his now famous announcement return (We're all raring to go or something along those lines - I'm paraphrasing).
It’s your assumption they have no script.
Of course it is. An assumption pieced together from recent news stories, interviews with Babs and their previous experiences of flying by the seat of their pants.
They have a drafts. Whether they are going to run with one is debatable, but the idea they have ‘no script’ simply isn’t true.
They tend to kick around treatments, parts of which may or may not be adapted or used as a jumping off point.
As I read the posts, I think this is intended as "no selected script." Purvis & Wade no doubt came up with a script -- they certainly had time to do a first draft, if not more. But, if Deadline's report from last month is correct, Eon hasn't elected to go with it (at least not yet) and is waiting on Hodge to finish writing a draft.
I don’t think B25 is going to mirror any of the last 4. They’re all kind of unique, for better and worse and B25 will follow that. I do want them to stick with a theme or tone. I don’t want a hodgepodge. So it should be interesting what theme they take because I don’t think they’ve settled on that, even at this late date because the director will be the driver and their rumored choices are all over the place.
No it's not. They don't have a script that's ready for production and likely won't until they have a director in place.
Sound advice.
I'm revelling in this 4 year hiatus after the terribly disappointing last entry, with little confidence that they have the faintest idea how to dig themselves out of the narrative grave they have dug and zero information coming out of EON HQ except about side projects none of us care about.
The 'now' really is a great time to be a Bond fan and no mistake.
After all, isn´t James Bond´s hobby resurrection?