No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Bernie99 wrote: »
    That recycling of the SF-Score was the idea of Mendes, right? So it's not Newman's fault

    The final decision and buck stops with Newman,imo.

    Working in and with filmmakers as I have over the years the buck stops ALWAYS with the Director - its their film.. The job of every department is to fulfill the director's vision.. So while Newman is partially to blame for the recycled score, nothing made it into that movie without Mendes' approval either... That's the way it works.
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    I feel confident in saying that with Boyle directing we will get a memorable score. Memorable isn't always good, but we can deduce that much.

    Memorably bad can be worse actually. At least Newman didn't play "Ladies First" on loop.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I feel confident in saying that with Boyle directing we will get a memorable score. Memorable isn't always good, but we can deduce that much.

    Memorably bad can be worse actually. At least Newman didn't play "Ladies First" on loop.

    After SF and SP and the endless use of the name is Bond... James Bond at the end of each film, I'm happy for memorably bad.

    I happen to like the FYEO and LTK and GE scores because they feel very expressive of their period.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    LTK's score wasn't among the bad ones, though. I get why people might dislike FYEO, but I like that one. If we get something like LTK, I'd be glad.
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    00Agent wrote: »
    for all of you who still doubt the news is legit (which btw is always a good thing):

    Excellent! Thanks for linking that. Now fingers crossed that it turns out well and that Eon don't find themselves up a creek with only the P&W script to paddle with.
    Dennison wrote: »
    Strog wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Metro is a free newspaper for commuters,you pick them up in the mornings from stations.
    Then in the afternoon the free Evening Standard comes out.
    I see! I'd hope it'd be reliable. Shame we have to question like this.
    bondjames wrote: »
    I am not familiar with Hodge, but the way they are apparently going about this (dueling scripts, or at least entirely separate concoctions) suggests that they want to avoid the issue with SP (too many cooks stinking up the broth). It's either one way (P&W) or the other (Hodge) this time.
    Yeah, the dueling scripts approach is interesting. You may be right that the writing process on SP had something to do with it.

    Has Eon ever had more than one script on the table to put into production before?

    I don't think they've had two seperate and distinct scripts before. They have of course had scripts that have ended up very differently but based on earlier screenplays - e.g. TSWLM's original script had the submarine idea and the idea of Bond falling for a Soviet spy but was quite different - taking a lot of inspiration from Moonraker the novel. Michael France's first GE draft is very different to the final screenplay but a lot of the original ideas are there - the character of Trevelyan - the lines spoken at the climax asking if the vodka martinis Bond has drunk has silenced the screams of his assassinations and finding forgiveness in the arms of willing women came all the way thru from that draft.
    Good examples with TSWLM and GE, noting all those drafts and such were cumulative. I was thinking that the original third Dalton film script would have come closest (if it even moved beyond the treatment stage) but I think even part of that carried all the way to the finalized GE (the former friend betraying Bond).

  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Does anyone else think that there is a strong possibility of Arnold returning to score? Since he collaborated with Boyle for the 007 opening to the London 2012 Olympics?
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    His laugh at the end has me dying!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    His laugh at the end has me dying!

    So sorry to hear that. RIP.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    His laugh at the end has me dying!
    So sorry to hear that. RIP.
    Odin can cure that. In Odin We Trust.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    So basically Boyle confirmed the news we heard over 3 weeks ago.

    I guess we'll need to be patient 'til August-ish until we find out who's actually directing.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I feel confident in saying that with Boyle directing we will get a memorable score. Memorable isn't always good, but we can deduce that much.

    Memorably bad can be worse actually. At least Newman didn't play "Ladies First" on loop.

    After SF and SP and the endless use of the name is Bond... James Bond at the end of each film, I'm happy for memorably bad.

    I happen to like the FYEO and LTK and GE scores because they feel very expressive of their period.

    I like those as well. 'Drive in the Country", "Licence Revoked", "GoldenEye Overture", all great tracks, IMO.
    I do hope in B25 there is a departure from using that tired version of the Bond Theme for the end credits. That has long gotten old, and it's been going on for years now. Perhaps a return to the main title track to kick off the end credits?
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    Excellent news. I hope, the script will work. I'm sure, Boyle can deliver a great Bond movie. This Bamingbyoe guy again stunned and puzzled me (as a German I do not read the Daily Mail or other British tabloid newspapers, I don't even read the German tabloids), his contacts and sources must be excellent, as he got all the struff right about the recent Bond movies as well as about the upcoming one. Hopefully, come autumn, we will get to know more about the cast and crew.

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    I'm wondering how much control Boyle will get from Eon.

    For instance, will he hire his own production designer? Someone new to create the title sequence? New stunt coordinators?

    Mendes was fairly traditional in this respect. He stuck with the Eon house staff. In fact, Marc Forster was the more who cleared deck. Sam actually went back and pretty much bought back the entire crew from CR (aside from bringing his own cinematographer and composer - which is expected of any director).

    The only concern I have with Boyle is that we may now not be getting a true adaption of YOLT that SP seemed to be indicating. I think Boyle's idea is probably something completely unique.

    when will Eon make Boyle official? We're just a press release away now from this being rubber-stamped.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    I never heard form the producers, that Bond 25 would be a true adaption of YOLT. AFAIK, this is the wish and dream of some users here in this forum. WE don't have any hint, that Spectre and Blofeld will return. It might as well be a stand-alone swan song for Craig's Bond. And I don't expect EON to do 1950's/1960's period Bond movies. This als is something, some Bond fans are dreaming about. EON will stick to the tested formula to make every Bond movie a contemporary movie.
  • marketto007marketto007 Brazil
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    I'm wondering how much control Boyle will get from Eon.

    For instance, will he hire his own production designer? Someone new to create the title sequence? New stunt coordinators?

    Well, one thing we know for sure is that Gary Powell won't be doing B25.

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    The thing about Newman is, apparently he didn't get on with EON, they fell out over the use of Adele's song in the score. @JamesPage hinted that they really had to fight him to get that one hint at it in at the casino section and didn't expect him to be back for SP based off what he'd heard. But I'm guessing Mendes wanted him back and EON wanted to keep Mendes happy. So maybe him phoning it in was sort of a middle finger/revenge because he didn't like being told what to do last time.

    @Pierce2Daniel I've given up hope on an adaptation of YOLT no matter who's directing. I think SP's reception will have put them off the idea and the long gap is the final nail in the coffin, I'm fully expecting a stand alone film now. Although to be fair I also never expected Mr White/Quantum to be bought up again for the same reason, so I guess anything is possible.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    The thing about Newman is, apparently he didn't get on with EON, they fell out over the use of Adele's song in the score. @JamesPage hinted that they really had to fight him to get that one hint at it in at the casino section and didn't expect him to be back for SP based off what he'd heard. But I'm guessing Mendes wanted him back and EON wanted to keep Mendes happy. So maybe him phoning it in was sort of a middle finger/revenge because he didn't like being told what to do last time.

    Why are EON having to fight with a hired hand? We're the client just deliver what we want whether you disagree with it or not you prick.

    It's telling that the Adele track as Bond approaches the casino is the best track on the soundtrack.

    The fact that after that Newman came back just goes to show how out of control the production was with EON letting Mendes do whatever he wanted unchallenged.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    I'm wondering how much control Boyle will get from Eon.

    For instance, will he hire his own production designer? Someone new to create the title sequence? New stunt coordinators?

    Mendes was fairly traditional in this respect. He stuck with the Eon house staff. In fact, Marc Forster was the more who cleared deck. Sam actually went back and pretty much bought back the entire crew from CR (aside from bringing his own cinematographer and composer - which is expected of any director).

    The only concern I have with Boyle is that we may now not be getting a true adaption of YOLT that SP seemed to be indicating. I think Boyle's idea is probably something completely unique.

    when will Eon make Boyle official? We're just a press release away now from this being rubber-stamped.

    Don't forget Dennis Gassner, the production designer, he was a hold over from QOS as well.. Mendes brought him back for SF and SP..

    I think EON will give him as much control as they have the previous Directors.. They'll offer the services of those already in house, but if he wants to bring in people he's more comfortable with, then he will (just like Mendes bringing in Newman for the score).. You don't bring on a Director like Boyle and throw handcuffs on him.
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    I'd like Arnold and Kleinman back for this one, but I want Bond 26 to feel fresh and different in the same way LALD differentiated Moore from Connery, so I'd prefer some new talent once Craig is gone.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    If Arnold is back, we can be 100% confident that the title track will be woven into the score.

    Only if he’s allowed to collaborate on the title track.

    Not really. He didn't collaborate on AWTD yet that was woven into 5 or 6 tracks. He didn't weave TND and DAD only because the former was added when all the score had been done and the latter's "melody" did not fit any scene.
    Bernie99 wrote: »
    That recycling of the SF-Score was the idea of Mendes, right? So it's not Newman's fault

    It was Mendes' indeed.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    Regarding the SP sounding like SF score, has anybody ever gone on record and said what really happened with that?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    @Pierce2Daniel I've given up hope on an adaptation of YOLT no matter who's directing. I think SP's reception will have put them off the idea and the long gap is the final nail in the coffin, I'm fully expecting a stand alone film now. Although to be fair I also never expected Mr White/Quantum to be bought up again for the same reason, so I guess anything is possible.

    I doubt we're getting YOLT with Craig, which is a shame.

    Maybe the next actor will get a reimagined OHMSS/YOLT/TMWTGG arc. It has to happen eventually, right? And in a way, that might be better. Only one major love per Bond.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    I'd like Arnold and Kleinman back for this one, but I want Bond 26 to feel fresh and different in the same way LALD differentiated Moore from Connery, so I'd prefer some new talent once Craig is gone.

    That can be accomplished with what's there already.. LALD still used Binder for the titles and Guy Hamilton as director.. Look how different CR felt to any of the previous Broz films, and they had Campbell directing, Kleinman on titles and Arnold composing.. A big part of that perception comes from tone established by the film itself and by whoever is Bond - more so than swapping the parts around those two things.
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    Nothing to do with B25, but have you seen this? Assistant director Terry Madden is suing EON due to an accident during the SPECTRE shooting in Austria.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/14/james-bond-assistant-director-sues-25m-career-ending-injury/
    I wasn´t aware there was such an accident, let alone that such a long-standing member of the crew was hurt so badly. Sad story, all the more so if they don´t pay him damages.

  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    Nothing to do with B25, but have you seen this? Assistant director Terry Madden is suing EON due to an accident during the SPECTRE shooting in Austria.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/14/james-bond-assistant-director-sues-25m-career-ending-injury/
    I wasn´t aware there was such an accident, let alone that such a long-standing member of the crew was hurt so badly. Sad story, all the more so if they don´t pay him damages.

    To be clear, he is suing the actual Insurance company that EON used while in production of SP, not EON themselves.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Regarding the SP sounding like SF score, has anybody ever gone on record and said what really happened with that?

    In the case of “Spectre” I got a music editor on very early on and we took apart the existing score from “Skyfall” and strung that out and rebuilt cues to suit the new film, just to give us the temp score. We needed it to be in Bond’s world. I saw no reason to pull temp score from other films. We did use other existing score in moments where we clearly couldn’t build it from Skyfall, but it was great because we were doing a really polished version of a score underneath the editor’s cut and it worked and whenever we played it for producers or Sam I think there was only once or twice where he said we missed the point with the music, but for 90% of the time we were on the money and I think when we started working with Thomas Newman and he was re-writing it, he knew mode and placement or the temp score was pushing all the right emotional buttons.

    Source
  • marketto007marketto007 Brazil
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    Choose Bond.

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  • CatchingBulletsCatchingBullets facebook.com/catchingbullets
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    DIRECTED BY DANNY BOYLE - 24 Films Later the Brit director hopes to make a Bond life less ordinary...

    Some thoughts and perspective as to why Danny Boyle would be perfect for Bond...

    http://markoconnell.co.uk/directed-by-danny-boyle-24-films-later-the-brit-director-hopes-to-make-a-bond-life-less-ordinary/


  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Newman hammered the final nail into SP's coffin.
    I will never forgive him for being so lazy,presumptious and arrogant by re-cycling SF score (which isn't one of my favourites in the first place !!)

    I have no time for Newman.

    Fully agree on that. Like the SF score, but SP was really just lazy and uninspired copcating of his own material. If he did not want to do a Bond score, he could have said so. But then Mendes surely insisted in bringing him back. I'd rather would have liked to have Deakins back, although I don't have any issues with Hoytema's work as DoP. The faults of SP are to be found somewehre else (script, director...).
  • CatchingBulletsCatchingBullets facebook.com/catchingbullets
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    Choose Bond.

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    Am sure I have seen this done elsewhere? (!)
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