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  • Posts: 623
    He was pushing it a little in DAD, but there were some little bits where he came across 'world weary', that worked for me. The hotel room massage lady bit springs to mind. Damn, there was some good stuff in the first half of that film.
    I'm sure there was a clip of him on TV after DAD had been released and he was talking about the speculation on a new Bond, and he said something like "this boy's not finished yet!", and he looked cool and dapper and I thought 'yes!!'
    Then Dan came down the Thames and I was 'oh jesus, what have they done'.
    Then they made the best Bond film for 20 years, so 'y'know.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    edited March 2018 Posts: 732
    I like the first half of DAD a lot - it‘s the second half that ruins the film totally. Boy I was against Craig - I wanted Brosnan to do the proclaimed Tarantino Casino Royale ... but like@shamanimal said: Boy they made one of the classics that to me is up there with the first 4 Connery films.

    My excitement for B25 definitely grows since the Boyle „announcement“ ... dunno if I will buy 4 movie tickets in advance like I did with SP though but better buy one first and see :-)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited March 2018 Posts: 15,423
    I like Tarantino as a film director. In fact, I love him as a film director. But, I would never want him to direct or even write a James Bond film, for the same reason I wouldn't want any director who's known for his particular style that he puts in his films rather than directing films that you wouldn't feel it's done by that director.

    The same applies to Guy Ritchie (who I love), David Leitch, Chad Stahelski, Zack Snyder, Christopher Nolan (whom I don't like at all), John Woo and many others in the vein. I don't want a Bond film to be labeled as a "[certain director] film featuring the James Bond character". I want a Bond film to be a Bond film just directed beautifully and conveniently by whoever is the director.
  • Posts: 15,110
    I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking Nolan should not direct a Bond movie.
  • Posts: 1,162
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    Pierce was 52 in the above photo, I think Brosnan could in a parallel universe played Bond into his fifties no problem.

    Brosnan still looks good for his age, if you ask me. He could easily have played Bond at least for one more film without age being an issue.
    I'd say two. He easily had two more in him. But... the trend of "reboots" didn't let that happen.

    I'm not really sure about that. There are moments in DAD where his age clearly shows. Not many, since he looks still great in it but they are there. Craig's look is beyond salvaging right now in my opinion.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,773
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Craig can play the part until he's 70 as far as I'm concerned.
    So he's only Bond for life.
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    Pierce was 52 in the above photo, I think Brosnan could in a parallel universe played Bond into his fifties no problem.

    Brosnan still looks good for his age, if you ask me. He could easily have played Bond at least for one more film without age being an issue.

    As he should of
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
    Posts: 259
    Daniel Craig was best in CR and QoS in my opinion. I disagree with those who say he owned the role in SP. The way he played Bond - probably due to script and directing - was one of many issues I had with SP. His acting felt somehow unaspirated to me just as if he didn't like the story, the dialog and the directing. But I have no worries that (once he gets back in shape) he could play James Bond very well again at the age of 50+ with a great director and a direction like in CR.
  • Posts: 7,414
    bondjames wrote: »
    Brosnan's problem was never looks imho. He remains a good looking chap who appears far younger than he is.

    Thank you! A bit of common sense at last!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Yes, I am sure he was a very awful actor who only built his whole career on his looks.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited March 2018 Posts: 8,216
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    Pierce was 52 in the above photo, I think Brosnan could in a parallel universe played Bond into his fifties no problem.

    Brosnan still looks good for his age, if you ask me. He could easily have played Bond at least for one more film without age being an issue.
    I'd say two. He easily had two more in him. But... the trend of "reboots" didn't let that happen.

    I'm not really sure about that. There are moments in DAD where his age clearly shows. Not many, since he looks still great in it but they are there. Craig's look is beyond salvaging right now in my opinion.

    Brosnan just needed to hit the gym a bit more. He looked good and had a strong presence, but you could certainly sense that he hadn't put in the work to stay as fit as he could have.

    Compare him in DAD to how he looked a few years later in The Matador, where he slimmed down that little bit more and was closer to his TND physique. If he had done that, then yeah, he could have squeezed in two more.

    All a bit hypothetical now though, I suppose.

    Craig doesn't have the same issue, he has different ones. He still looks relatively slim and can get back into good shape very quickly based on his history. However, his haircut is awful and is very unsuitable to his look. He looked pretty good in SP though, so I don't think he's beyond salvaging. Plus, he still has plenty of time.

    I wouldn't worry about him. I do hope they give him a decent haircut this time. It's amazing how much difference it makes to him.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,963
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    Pierce was 52 in the above photo, I think Brosnan could in a parallel universe played Bond into his fifties no problem.

    Brosnan still looks good for his age, if you ask me. He could easily have played Bond at least for one more film without age being an issue.
    I'd say two. He easily had two more in him. But... the trend of "reboots" didn't let that happen.

    I'm not really sure about that. There are moments in DAD where his age clearly shows. Not many, since he looks still great in it but they are there. Craig's look is beyond salvaging right now in my opinion.

    Brosnan just needed to hit the gym a bit more. He looked good and had a strong presence, but you could certainly sense that he hadn't put in the work to stay as fit as he could have.

    Compare him in DAD to how he looked a few years later in The Matador, where he slimmed down that little bit more and was closer to his TND physique. If he had done that, then yeah, he could have squeezed in two more.

    All a bit hypothetical now though, I suppose.

    Craig doesn't have the same issue, he has different ones. He still looks relatively slim and can get back into good shape very quickly based on his history. However, his haircut is awful and is very unsuitable to his look. He looked pretty good in SP though, so I don't think he's beyond salvaging. Plus, he still has plenty of time.

    I wouldn't worry about him. I do hope they give him a decent haircut this time. It's amazing how much difference it makes to him.

    I disagree. His physique in DAD felt pretty comparable to how he looked in The Matador. Think he would've looked better slimming down a little more, though it's understandable for the latter film, as he's playing a burnt out, ready-to-retire hitman.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    GettyImages-55215826.jpg

    Pierce was 52 in the above photo, I think Brosnan could in a parallel universe played Bond into his fifties no problem.

    Brosnan still looks good for his age, if you ask me. He could easily have played Bond at least for one more film without age being an issue.
    I'd say two. He easily had two more in him. But... the trend of "reboots" didn't let that happen.

    I'm not really sure about that. There are moments in DAD where his age clearly shows. Not many, since he looks still great in it but they are there. Craig's look is beyond salvaging right now in my opinion.

    Brosnan just needed to hit the gym a bit more. He looked good and had a strong presence, but you could certainly sense that he hadn't put in the work to stay as fit as he could have.

    Compare him in DAD to how he looked a few years later in The Matador, where he slimmed down that little bit more and was closer to his TND physique. If he had done that, then yeah, he could have squeezed in two more.

    All a bit hypothetical now though, I suppose.

    Craig doesn't have the same issue, he has different ones. He still looks relatively slim and can get back into good shape very quickly based on his history. However, his haircut is awful and is very unsuitable to his look. He looked pretty good in SP though, so I don't think he's beyond salvaging. Plus, he still has plenty of time.

    I wouldn't worry about him. I do hope they give him a decent haircut this time. It's amazing how much difference it makes to him.

    I disagree. His physique in DAD felt pretty comparable to how he looked in The Matador. Think he would've looked better slimming down a little more, though it's understandable for the latter film, as he's playing a burnt out, ready-to-retire hitman.

    Fair enough - but to my eyes, he looked far more slim in the face in The Matador. It didn't help that in DAD he was supposed to have been a prisoner for 18 months. Doesn't feel comparable at all to me.
  • edited March 2018 Posts: 11,425
    talos7 wrote: »
    I actually think that, other than the "snow scenes", which tend to be hard on the appearance of some actors , Craig looked great in Spectre. I don't see it as him trying too look "young", he's just better groomed. For the most part his hair was spot on and he had a good tan.
    Yes he will look older, like all of us he's getting older, but I still say, properly groomed, he will be fit and ready when the camera rolls .

    I agree
    GettyImages-55215826.jpg

    Pierce was 52 in the above photo, I think Brosnan could in a parallel universe played Bond into his fifties no problem.

    Brosnan still looks good for his age, if you ask me. He could easily have played Bond at least for one more film without age being an issue.

    Age was never the issue with Brozza.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2018 Posts: 23,883
    GettyImages-55215826.jpg

    Pierce was 52 in the above photo, I think Brosnan could in a parallel universe played Bond into his fifties no problem.

    Brosnan still looks good for his age, if you ask me. He could easily have played Bond at least for one more film without age being an issue.
    I'd say two. He easily had two more in him. But... the trend of "reboots" didn't let that happen.

    I'm not really sure about that. There are moments in DAD where his age clearly shows. Not many, since he looks still great in it but they are there. Craig's look is beyond salvaging right now in my opinion.

    Brosnan just needed to hit the gym a bit more. He looked good and had a strong presence, but you could certainly sense that he hadn't put in the work to stay as fit as he could have.

    Compare him in DAD to how he looked a few years later in The Matador, where he slimmed down that little bit more and was closer to his TND physique. If he had done that, then yeah, he could have squeezed in two more.

    All a bit hypothetical now though, I suppose.
    Brosnan had some injury as I recall which prevented him from getting in shape for DAD. I think he indicated he was much heavier than he had ever been for the film.
    Craig doesn't have the same issue, he has different ones. He still looks relatively slim and can get back into good shape very quickly based on his history. However, his haircut is awful and is very unsuitable to his look. He looked pretty good in SP though, so I don't think he's beyond salvaging. Plus, he still has plenty of time.

    I wouldn't worry about him. I do hope they give him a decent haircut this time. It's amazing how much difference it makes to him.
    Craig's problem in B25 won't be his physique, I agree.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,203
    I’m curious, at this point, as the script is being written, does EON tell the script writer locations they would like to use so that the script can be tailored to suit them, or, does the script writer dictate locations? Could it also be a combination of the two?
    The same can be asked concerning action set pieces.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    edited March 2018 Posts: 1,261
    bondjames wrote: »
    Brosnan's problem was never looks imho. He remains a good looking chap who appears far younger than he is.

    Agreed. His problems were the screenplays and the directors. And BATMAN BEGINS. And he would not have worked in CR under the presumption, that this was Bond getting his 00 status and his first full mission. For this, he was too old. In another Bond movie, why not?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    bondjames wrote: »
    GettyImages-55215826.jpg

    Pierce was 52 in the above photo, I think Brosnan could in a parallel universe played Bond into his fifties no problem.

    Brosnan still looks good for his age, if you ask me. He could easily have played Bond at least for one more film without age being an issue.
    I'd say two. He easily had two more in him. But... the trend of "reboots" didn't let that happen.

    I'm not really sure about that. There are moments in DAD where his age clearly shows. Not many, since he looks still great in it but they are there. Craig's look is beyond salvaging right now in my opinion.

    Brosnan just needed to hit the gym a bit more. He looked good and had a strong presence, but you could certainly sense that he hadn't put in the work to stay as fit as he could have.

    Compare him in DAD to how he looked a few years later in The Matador, where he slimmed down that little bit more and was closer to his TND physique. If he had done that, then yeah, he could have squeezed in two more.

    All a bit hypothetical now though, I suppose.
    Brosnan had some injury as I recall which prevented him from getting in shape for DAD. I think he indicated he was much heavier than he had ever been for the film.

    Still has the record as being both the lightest and heaviest Bond, I believe.

  • Posts: 727
    bondjames wrote: »
    Brosnan's problem was never looks imho. He remains a good looking chap who appears far younger than he is.

    Agreed. His problems were the screenplays and the directors. And BATMAN BEGINS. And he would not have worked in CR under the presumption, that this was Bond getting his 00 status and his first full mission. For this, he was too old. In another Bond movie, why not?


    How did Batman Begins affect his performance?
  • GettlerGettler USA
    Posts: 326
    bondjames wrote: »
    Brosnan's problem was never looks imho. He remains a good looking chap who appears far younger than he is.

    Agreed. His problems were the screenplays and the directors. And BATMAN BEGINS. And he would not have worked in CR under the presumption, that this was Bond getting his 00 status and his first full mission. For this, he was too old. In another Bond movie, why not?


    How did Batman Begins affect his performance?

    I think he is referring to how Batman Begins influenced CR.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    edited March 2018 Posts: 1,261
    bondjames wrote: »
    Brosnan's problem was never looks imho. He remains a good looking chap who appears far younger than he is.

    Agreed. His problems were the screenplays and the directors. And BATMAN BEGINS. And he would not have worked in CR under the presumption, that this was Bond getting his 00 status and his first full mission. For this, he was too old. In another Bond movie, why not?


    How did Batman Begins affect his performance?

    I was referring to his age, not his performance. Mike and Babs decided to do a reboot, when they watched BB, and obtained the rights for CR, when Sony took over MGM, which ended his tenure as Bond. Age-wise, a 52-year-old was unthinkable as a novice spy, and he had done 4 Bond movies already. That's what I meant.
  • Posts: 4,044
    bondjames wrote: »
    GettyImages-55215826.jpg

    Pierce was 52 in the above photo, I think Brosnan could in a parallel universe played Bond into his fifties no problem.

    Brosnan still looks good for his age, if you ask me. He could easily have played Bond at least for one more film without age being an issue.
    I'd say two. He easily had two more in him. But... the trend of "reboots" didn't let that happen.

    I'm not really sure about that. There are moments in DAD where his age clearly shows. Not many, since he looks still great in it but they are there. Craig's look is beyond salvaging right now in my opinion.

    Brosnan just needed to hit the gym a bit more. He looked good and had a strong presence, but you could certainly sense that he hadn't put in the work to stay as fit as he could have.

    Compare him in DAD to how he looked a few years later in The Matador, where he slimmed down that little bit more and was closer to his TND physique. If he had done that, then yeah, he could have squeezed in two more.

    All a bit hypothetical now though, I suppose.
    Brosnan had some injury as I recall which prevented him from getting in shape for DAD. I think he indicated he was much heavier than he had ever been for the film.

    Still has the record as being both the lightest and heaviest Bond, I believe.

    He should have done Cast Away.
  • Posts: 16,153
    vzok wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    GettyImages-55215826.jpg

    Pierce was 52 in the above photo, I think Brosnan could in a parallel universe played Bond into his fifties no problem.

    Brosnan still looks good for his age, if you ask me. He could easily have played Bond at least for one more film without age being an issue.
    I'd say two. He easily had two more in him. But... the trend of "reboots" didn't let that happen.

    I'm not really sure about that. There are moments in DAD where his age clearly shows. Not many, since he looks still great in it but they are there. Craig's look is beyond salvaging right now in my opinion.

    Brosnan just needed to hit the gym a bit more. He looked good and had a strong presence, but you could certainly sense that he hadn't put in the work to stay as fit as he could have.

    Compare him in DAD to how he looked a few years later in The Matador, where he slimmed down that little bit more and was closer to his TND physique. If he had done that, then yeah, he could have squeezed in two more.

    All a bit hypothetical now though, I suppose.
    Brosnan had some injury as I recall which prevented him from getting in shape for DAD. I think he indicated he was much heavier than he had ever been for the film.

    Still has the record as being both the lightest and heaviest Bond, I believe.

    He should have done Cast Away.

    I can see him shouting "WILSOOOOOOOOON"!!!!!!!!!!
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    Posts: 1,261
    ToTheRight wrote: »

    I can see him shouting "WILSOOOOOOOOON"!!!!!!!!!!

    And Mike replying: "What is it?"
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    shamanimal wrote: »
    He was pushing it a little in DAD, but there were some little bits where he came across 'world weary', that worked for me. The hotel room massage lady bit springs to mind. Damn, there was some good stuff in the first half of that film.
    I'm sure there was a clip of him on TV after DAD had been released and he was talking about the speculation on a new Bond, and he said something like "this boy's not finished yet!", and he looked cool and dapper and I thought 'yes!!'
    Then Dan came down the Thames and I was 'oh jesus, what have they done'.
    Then they made the best Bond film for 20 years, so 'y'know.

    So is one supposed to infer that you think the previous best Bond film to CR was AVTAK?
  • Posts: 5,767
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking Nolan should not direct a Bond movie.
    Yeah, me too. Glad I mean.

  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    Posts: 1,261
    Gettler wrote: »

    I think he is referring to how Batman Begins influenced CR.

    Yes, indeed.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    Birdleson wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking Nolan should not direct a Bond movie.
    Yeah, me too. Glad I mean.

    I am with you as well.

    I'm a bit stuck in the middle on him. I know he could do it, but I also worry that he might over-do it. Nolan seems to find it very hard to tell a simple story well. There usually has to be a poorly done gimmick or a structure twist. His last three films have been massive duds as a result, for me. If he was in Inception or Batman Begins mode though, he could pull it off.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    talos7 wrote: »
    I’m curious, at this point, as the script is being written, does EON tell the script writer locations they would like to use so that the script can be tailored to suit them, or, does the script writer dictate locations? Could it also be a combination of the two?
    The same can be asked concerning action set pieces.

    Some areas of a script have specific locations. And some leave it open to opotion. In Spectre the story dictated Austria and Greg Wilson scouted out locations. The day of the dead PTS was part of Logans scriot. But Mexico was also political and about Tax breaks and support from the Mexican Government. Had it worked out cheaper they could have doubled up another location as being Mexico which they have done in the past.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    For those who are not so familiar with Boyle/Hodge work.

    1. Always beautifully shot. Gets his location and lighting consistently perfect.
    2. Can capture and audience even when it is a very limited situation or location. Due to strong writing and Character creation.
    3. Always has excellent light hearted comedic elements within a good mix of dark comedy.
    4. Can portray real emotion on screen.
    5. His bad guy characters are regularly dark and badly wired psychologically
    6. He is not a conformist, he is a rebel, he will have Bond do something unexpected to shock the audience.
    7. His musical choices for his films are always memorable.
    8. He wouldn't attach himself too Bond unless the idea was too good.

    I am excited.
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