No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    How about going back to the late 50s after Craig's tenure?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I am all for a period piece era next. It will feel fresh.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    As a separate film alongside their main continuity? I'd be all for it.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    The franchise will never produce a period film ever one of the things that made it so successful for 50 plus years is that bond always reflected with the times we live in
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    The franchise will never produce a period film ever one of the things that made it so successful for 50 plus years is that bond always reflected with the times we live in

    There are many examples of other successful films who haven t.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I just don't feel any period piece, back in time at all, would suit this series. And I love older films, believe me. But it doesn't sit well with me, trying to do that with Bond.

    As for gaps in time between films, we made it okay before with a 6 year gap and got GE, which is an excellent Bond film and Pierce was exactly right for that time. I also like Pierce a lot as Bond anyway, but just saying this is an example of perfect casting, script, and attitude to match what was sorely needed for this franchise to continue successfully. I think 6 years is really tough to wait through, though, and I hope we never have more than a 4 year gap. I see this series surviving, though, for sure.

    And to wrap up, just to say I think Craig is a great Bond, right for this period, and I am very happy he will finish with Bond 25. I really want him to go out on a high note. To leave after Spectre would have felt jarring as it left us dangling with Blofeld. The powers that be may well barely have Blofeld in the next one, but they will have to do something to show plausible continuity, and that can be done in various ways. I'm just happy with Craig's tenure, very much so, and the best news I've had on Bond 25 is that Craig is returning.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    How about going back to the late 50s after Craig's tenure?

    I’d be very into this, personally. Would love to see a film as close as reasonably possible to it’s novel.
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    I’d only want to see a period piece Bond if it was strictly based on one of the Fleming novels. I think otherwise it’s more interesting to keep them with whatever year we’re in. If they are running out of ideas though, I’d be open to see the next actor or two begin to do faithful adaptations of the Fleming books.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited May 2018 Posts: 5,185
    If you want period Bond i can full heartedly recommend the Casino Royale comic adaption that was released a month ago. Bond is pretty much drawn like Fassbender in there as well. It is very good.

    Me personally i definitly do not want a period Bond movie. That would be Eon throwing any modern day relevance out the window that they have been working on for 50+ years. And make no mistakes, if its not Flemings source material being adapted, nothing will ever be good enough, especially for the fanboys. You would have to make something out of thin air that could match Fleming. Half a dozen continuation authors could not satisfy the fans so all of a sudden a Movie could? Its such a risky idea with next to no payoff. And the mainstream will reject it straight away, why would they even care?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I'm at the stage where I could possibly be convinced of a period piece just in order to get on with a change, but having given it some thought it's not something I can advocate for.

    As a few others have said, I think Bond should remain current. He should remain ahead of the curve rather than backward looking. A cultural provocateur.

    Just give me something as fresh as GE for the next iteration, in every way, and I'll be very happy. By that I mean a contemporary reimagination of the character which fits with the times but still looks to the future. This time around though, I want them to follow through properly with the remaining films after the debut, which I don't believe they did last time around. Whether that requires a plan or whatever, just get it right next time please.

    They can do whatever they want with B25.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Agree with this-- Fleming wrote the character as a man of today. The EoN films continued that concept. Taking a step-back in this way would call into question the point of the character.

    James Bond is Today.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited May 2018 Posts: 40,976
    If I want a period piece, I'll watch the original films. Not something I want to see today; won't ever be as authentic as the 60's films were.
  • edited May 2018 Posts: 17,757
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    If I want a period piece, I'll watch the original films. Not something I want to see today; won't ever be as authentic as the 60's films were.

    Agree. A period piece would only have worked if we didn't have 60+ years with Bond already.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    good one @Creasy47 -- the "period Bond pieces" would be manufacturing the 50s and 60s when we already have the Classics.

    It would feel contrived and desperate to pull back Bond to these days.

    The radio-plays seem to be the best way (apart from reading the novels), to experience Fleming...
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I wouldn't mind period pieces, whether they'd be Connery imitations set in the period between 1962 and 1965, or faithful adaptations of Fleming's literary character without any dramatic changes unless it's a change of sequence or scenery and not character. But, they should also keep their main entries focused on contemporary setting without jettisoning them. Bond always is and always will be relevant in the modern day environment.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I never used to think a period film would be the way to go, but the way I see things going it may become the only logical choice. There are many shows andovies which achieve contemporary feeling even in a period setting. The only problem would have to be that product placement would go out the window, leading to much more restrictions. But we are saying Bind movies cost too much anyway.
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    I feel a period piece Bond film may be inevitable as long as this newfound tradition of long gaps continue.

    I can foresee the possibility of, say a 20 year gap between B25 and B26. As we wind up in the late 2030's or even 2040's with B25 still being the most recent outing, we will be inching closer to the 100th anniversary of the CASINO ROYALE novel.

    By then the world will have changed substantially and a period Bond to re-introduce the character to the next generation may seem a wonderful idea.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I can foresee the possibility of, say a 20 year gap between B25 and B26.
    Good lord.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’d only want to see a period piece Bond if it was strictly based on one of the Fleming novels. I think otherwise it’s more interesting to keep them with whatever year we’re in. If they are running out of ideas though, I’d be open to see the next actor or two begin to do faithful adaptations of the Fleming books.

    This, but only as TV films or series. Theatrical films should stay contemporary.
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    Craig needs to go out on a goldeneye type film, a celebration of his era with a fresh plot. I want his last film leaving us with wanting more but yet still satisfying
  • RC7RC7
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I feel a period piece Bond film may be inevitable as long as this newfound tradition of long gaps continue.

    I don’t see the connection.

    Period Bond won’t happen, primarily because it’s a sh*t idea.
  • Posts: 11,425
    period piece would be awesome
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    After such a long run staying within the present day, going back in time would raise the question "why now".

    And whats the answer?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Would it be so different from CR going back to Bond's earlier days as a 00?

    I am, by the way, just playing the devil's advocate here because I myself don't necessarily crave a period piece Bond. I think it would have potential, for example outside the movie medium, but I'd just happily stick to the current model if I had anything to say about it.
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    Would they be able to use the idea of a 007 period piece / origins as a movie for in between the main run of Bonds as with Rogue One etc.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    peter wrote: »
    Agree with this-- Fleming wrote the character as a man of today. The EoN films continued that concept. Taking a step-back in this way would call into question the point of the character.

    James Bond is Today.

    Exactly! For all the moaning some people do around here about how the character is no longer who he is, taking Bond back to the cold war era is the crowning jewel of all of that; taking Bond into the wrong direction. Bond is NOT a period piece character and comparisons to Cap and wonder Woman are misguided. Their origins are rooted in a bygone era but are characters that exists in the here and now. Bond isn't immortal and nor was he suspended in animation from the cold war and reawakened in contemporary times. The producers need to get people who are talented enough to write good and entertaining contemporary stories. Running backwards to the cold war won't save Bond from issues the films have been suffering from on a fundamental level.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2018 Posts: 23,883
    I wouldn't mind a (longer than the CR or GE PTS) flashback in order to establish some plot scenario for a future film. That's as far as I would go though.

    After what we've been through with the reboot and the continuity questions that have been raised by it, I just would prefer if they don't do a theatrical period piece. I'd be ok with something in a different unconnected medium (tv or streaming only).

    There was a time that Bond beat to its own tune when it came to continuity. It was very loose & that enabled creative flexibility. I believe that is why it survived for so long. During the Brosnan era we never saw Felix or Blofeld, and the series felt current and progressive. By reintroducing Blofeld, the series has stumbled over its own continuity for the man, which was established many years back during the Connery era (right down to the scar).

    It's made it seem like any other run of the mill 'time contained' series, which may require a hard reboot in the future in order to move forward. To a degree, I think that's why we have a delay in recasting too. I think they feel boxed in by what they have sown.

    So I'd just prefer they stay away from anything which could lead to further confusion regarding timelines and so on, in the context of the entire canon.
  • edited May 2018 Posts: 628
    I'm guessing the box office failure of THE MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E. would make EON and the distributor skittish about a period Bond film.
  • Posts: 12,837
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    If I want a period piece, I'll watch the original films. Not something I want to see today; won't ever be as authentic as the 60's films were.

    Yeah exactly, a 60s period piece is a bad idea imo.

    I'd be up for a 50s period piece adapting the books, but as a seperate TV series or something. The films should move forward like they always have done.

    It gets harder with tech but there are ways to balance it. I thought the first Kingsman did that well. They had to actually investigate the bad guy because he kept everything down on pen and paper because "nobody can hack into that shit". And then at the end the only way to stop him was by actually going to the base and killing him because he had that hand scanner thing so they couldn't just hack the machine. So there are ways around it.
  • RC7RC7
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Agree with this-- Fleming wrote the character as a man of today. The EoN films continued that concept. Taking a step-back in this way would call into question the point of the character.

    James Bond is Today.

    Exactly! For all the moaning some people do around here about how the character is no longer who he is, taking Bond back to the cold war era is the crowning jewel of all of that; taking Bond into the wrong direction. Bond is NOT a period piece character and comparisons to Cap and wonder Woman are misguided. Their origins are rooted in a bygone era but are characters that exists in the here and now. Bond isn't immortal and nor was he suspended in animation from the cold war and reawakened in contemporary times. The producers need to get people who are talented enough to write good and entertaining contemporary stories. Running backwards to the cold war won't save Bond from issues the films have been suffering from on a fundamental level.

    Agreed. Thankfully, I’m 99.9% certain EON would never do it, but I’m not so sure those who may look to acquire the property (I don’t believe this is remotely close to happening) would feel the same. Hence why, for me, a competent EON is my preference. While they aren’t perfect, I sincerely believe a shift in IP ownership would be catastrophic. Perhaps not in the short term, but certainly long term.
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