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to calm you all down - just because it may or may not be insinuated at the end of B25 (and it makes total sense if it does, given Craig's last and all), doesn't mean it'll be a thing in B26 given that's most certainly gonna be a rebooted continuity when the new actor comes in. Did we get Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Batman in BvS after The Dark Knight Rises? no
I'm totally calm, though it gets a bit irritating that you simply cannot discuss any sort of rumors in this thread (isn't that the entire point of this thread thus far?) without people thinking you've gone off the rails, or are mad or making assumptions that the rumors are fact. We're merely discussing the possibilities, that's all. If the rumors turn out to be totally false and made up, then excellent, no harm done.
I've never heard of her before, so I had to look her up. She looks like she would make a great Moneypenny, as long as she can act.
I've always endorsed Keeley Hawes as the new Moneypenny. She definitely has that characteristic look about her. Lovely actress. See her in Ashes to Ashes. She also used to voice Lara Croft from mid-to-late 2000s in the video games.
Would you recommend that movie then? I was intrigued by it, but I remember the reviews being unanimously, wildly negative, so I figured it might be a misfire not worth the time.
What’s a traditionalist? Soneoneone who rates FRWL, or someone who rates MR? Someone who rates YOLT, or someone who rates LTK? Someone who rates OP, or someone who rates CR?
Hello? Is this EON? Are any of these new rumours t-t-true??? Gaaasp!
A better description would be formula-ist.
"Conversation went as follows:
Me. Hi. One question.
Him. Go on then.
Me. Bond. Yes or no?
Him (laughing) we are working on a script at the moment.
Me. Everyone and his mother knows that, the question is are you doing it?
Him. I can't really say but it's looking positive.
Me. What about pre production is there enough time?
Him. Oh yes,we don't start filming until December.
Me. Can I take as confirmation?
Him. Laughes and says nothing more.
Me. Us Bond nerds are really excited about you doing it, but no more origin story or Bonds dog getting killed and then Bond gets really pissed...blag blah blah...
We then chat a bit about the film he's making here and how lovely it all is. Lighting tests were last night and night shoot is tonight. He was a very personable chap. We spoke about the Theatre that they are using at the end of my Road. Mrs Zaphod is trying to get an interview for her local radio show re the filming.
We then say goodbye and go on separately
I got a very good vibe from him and he seemed genuinely pleased that the 'Bondiverse' is very positive about his involvement (and he had a bag of chips)"
You must be joking.
Unrealistic optimism in both cases I'm afraid, at least based on what we've recently heard.
Let's hope so.
I'm afraid I can't agree with this. If this is indeed their current and future intention, then why even continue with Bond at all?
At the end of the day the character as written is increasingly an anomaly and I contend that this is part of his appeal these days.
There really is no need to pander in order to draw in a larger audience. I think the audience is smarter than the bean counters and focus group people give them credit for. Just give them a tight, tense, coherent story with some glamour and style and they'll be on board, even if he's up to his usual bad behaviour. The market can absorb an anti-hero or a politically incorrect one (witness Deadpool). A bit of balls and belief in the character is all that's required.
I agree that it's worth a watch and it definitely has a Kubrickian vibe but it's not a great movie.
Obviously not interesting enough to quote even once. Probably too positive
As I say in a later post, just because they insinuate it in B25, doesn't mean they will continue with it in B26. I think everyone at this point is expecting B26 to be a continuity reboot, especially with this film being Craig's Logan. Going back to the example of JGL's character in The Dark Knight Rises and then Ben Affleck in Batman v Superman/Justice League.
And this isn't pandering to 'dumber' general audiences. General audiences are smart. But they are these days expecting a bit more than 'a tight, tense, coherent story with some glamour and style'. That's kind of why SPECTRE didn't fare as well with US critics compared to European ones - they expected more subversion akin to CR and SF, while Mendes for the most part just took his toybox back to the Gilbert era and threw the brother and the shared universe twists in as addition. If anything that's the irony with Bond, the GA are expecting smarter twists and turns and adaptations to the current climate, while the die-hards want tradition. Is anyone in the GA asking McQuarrie and the M:I team to follow the formula of the original TV show? Aside from some elements like the lit fuse and the title theme - much like the Bond theme and the gunbarrel here - no!
And as for the 'bad behaviour', herein is the crux. Bond isn't presented as an anti-hero unlike someone like Deadpool so obviously is. He is still presented as the standard to live up to, something which is reinforced in all the advertising and merchandising/licensing. So therefore, with the current climate, as much as people want to dismiss it for being PC, Bond's 'bad behaviour' will be a huge elephant in the room. Which is why Boyle (apparently) addressing it this way with both a female villain and a Bond girl who's an agent protegee without any traditional romantic links, is smart.
The best news I had recently.
You can’t imagine what a relief it is for me, that I don’t buy ANY of all the rumors. Including Boyle and whatever.
What bad behavior? I know some take Craig's Bond to task for Severine (I don't because it sure looks like she consents) but any supposed "bad behavior" in the Craig era pales in comparison to Bond hitting Tania, or Dink, or Tracy--or for that matter, the Moore jokes in TSWLM or OP.
Post of the day.
I disagree with you as to why SP was a critical failure stateside. In my view it was a failure of execution and not premise. Mendes and Craig thought they were giving us TSWLM or TB, and instead they ended up with something akin to TND imho (and I'm being generous). Very expensive amateur hour.
It's certainly possible to deliver 'smarter twists and turns' and I'm all for that. I'm all for some subversion as well. I was quite satisfied with SF for instance. So I'm not calling for 'formula', and in fact don't think that can work with this current actor who has proven without a shadow of a doubt to me that he is incapable of working within that framework.
Rather, I'm saying that there's no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater in order to accommodate current sensibilities. Any suggestion of this so called 'mentee' taking over from Bond or comparisons to Logan (a film I thought very poorly of by the way) are what concern me.
It's actually as expected. Some of us here had anticipated a female villain and/or a female agent love interest well before these recent rumours started percolating. We just didn't anticipate it in the same film.
I don't have a problem with either premise. Again, it comes down to execution and it comes down to retaining the essential characteristics of Bond within the framework of what they are doing. That takes finesse and a delicate touch. It's not necessary to emasculate him in order to make him palatable to Hollywood. I only hope that this team realizes that, and doesn't see fit to aggressively reshape the character further.
Regarding Bond as a role model: I'm not sure if that's a reasonable expectation to be honest. After all, the man has a license to kill and if we take him literally, a lot of what he gets up to isn't acceptable. Yes, I agree that this is how they choose to market him, but still contend that he can be a 'bad boy' (as opposed to a wuss) while being popular. Put another way, he doesn't have to literally embody Smith's song (lyrics as well as delivery).
We shall see what happens and how this plays. The one advantage we have here is that they are still playing in a 2006 rebooted self contained sandbox. So they can do whatever the heck they want here and will still have freedom to get back to something a bit more interesting once this is over and done with.
EDIT meant to tag @echo
I like that he used the opportunity to say “no more origin story” and took a jab at all the personal/revenge bs. I’m also very pleased to hear that things appear to be on schedule.