No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • edited May 2016 Posts: 4,325
    The budgeting has certainly grown ridiculous. The sad and worrying thing is that EON's team seem to find this all endearing and rather splendid.

    When Mendes was shooting the explosion of Blofeld's facility, for example, he was beyond cheery (as was Corbould and the rest of the crew) as they wasted millions of dollars on real explosives to blow up the set, just so they could say they got a damn Guinness world record. They could have saved all those millions by shooting with miniatures and a modicum of CGI, you know, like most smart and sensible filmmakers would, but again, like Powell they somehow took joy in throwing all that money into the fire.

    How the studio allows this, especially when they have to worry about these films making profit beyond their cost, I have no idea. With smart budgeting and a little ingenuity, like EON used to have when Cubby was at the helm, SP's budget would've been cut in half, and then some.

    But these films barely shoot on location anymore, so clearly the old days are gone. I was saddened watching a special effects feature on SP recently, where much of what we saw on screen in some scenes was entirely computer generated. Not only are we not getting true, on location sequences much anymore, worse yet, when we think we're seeing Bond on location, much of that is all smoke and mirrors.

    It'd be glorious to get back to the Moore era ways of doing location shooting, where the crew actually visited exotic and epic locations (as in TSWLM), showing them as they truly were with no scene dressing. And most of all, when the locations appeared on the big screen with Bond roaming around in them, they truly leapt off the screen and we felt like we were right there with him.

    Yeah just like The Third Man, you think those hands coming out of the grate are Welles'? They are director Carol Reed's. And that shadow running, not Welles, it's Guy Hamilton.

    And the horse in long shots in the Fellowship of Ring? Not a horse, but two men in a horse outfit - the cheaters and liars!
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Do you think if Campbell expressed an interest they would bring him back? I'd like for him to have kickstarted 3 separate Bond eras, that would be the best. What a guy!!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Do you think if Campbell expressed an interest they would bring him back? I'd like for him to have kickstarted 3 separate Bond eras, that would be the best. What a guy!!
    I heard Campbell's preference in Bond was the introduction of the new guy. That's what I've been told.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,452
    Do you think if Campbell expressed an interest they would bring him back? I'd like for him to have kickstarted 3 separate Bond eras, that would be the best. What a guy!!
    I heard Campbell's preference in Bond was the introduction of the new guy. That's what I've been told.

    Yeah, and he's just about young enough for a third time around. Then I can truly judge who is the greatest Bond director, TY or MC. Terrence is of course on top at the moment, but he had one more film, so It's never been a fair comparison. If Campbell can deliver a third time the same level of quality of GE/CR, that would certainly make things close. Plus THE CAMPBELL TRILOGY just sounds so epic. :D
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Do you think if Campbell expressed an interest they would bring him back? I'd like for him to have kickstarted 3 separate Bond eras, that would be the best. What a guy!!
    I heard Campbell's preference in Bond was the introduction of the new guy. That's what I've been told.

    Yeah, and he's just about young enough for a third time around. Then I can truly judge who is the greatest Bond director, TY or MC. Terrence is of course on top at the moment, but he had one more film, so It's never been a fair comparison. If Campbell can deliver a third time the same level of quality of GE/CR, that would certainly make things close. Plus THE CAMPBELL TRILOGY just sounds so epic. :D
    Of all the choices we've been given, now, I think Turner will fare well most among the other candidates we have. And I am sure Campbell can make a very good Bond out of him.
  • Posts: 9,858
    For me it's three issues the current films and the Craig era has found itself in

    1. It's really two era's:
    Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace were brutal harsh gritty and realistic. Was there fun to be had in both films yes but a lot of the formula that was deemed silly over the top and being used just to be used (Moneypenny could of been removed from half of the Moore and Brosnan eras and nothing would be missed honestly same sadly with Q who felt more like a marketing tool for certain cars/phones rather then a gadget man especially in films like goldeneye tomorrow never dies and the video game Everything or nothing) then we get to 2012 and 2015 and the S era... Now both films have strong points they do but they also have weak points as well almost all of the tropes they were trying to break free from are back silly jokes (spectre more so the skyfall) over the top plots (or realistic plots done in an over the top way) and to much overlapping between the two films.

    2. ignorance of Fleming:
    This is going to be controversial I am sure look Fleming was a good writer and I like his works.. Sometimes I love the changes that were made for the films (bond being the reason Le Chiffe needed to recoup his money was brilliant also the switch to hold em poker again brilliant and started my love of the game) but other times... (Yeah the lost brother nonesense but also skyfall which seems to be borrowing from the man with the golden gun is kind of playing a little too loose with source material) granted this isn't a new phenomenon (look at diamonds are forever Moonraker and die another day to get more examples) still it's an issue

    3. The switch in names for the orgnization:
    The one criticism I have with spectre no one else talks about is this back in 2008 everyone complained about quantum and how silly their ideas were (charging huge amounts of intrest on Bolivian water so they can control the country how dare they inspite of he fact that is actually really creepy and really brilliant) however fast forward to 2015 and in the spectre meeting room all of their plans are finchial in nature and very similar to Quantum's and yet no one had an issue... They are doing the same thing it's just the name has changed... Plus while I like spectre and Blofeld I do changing horses simply because you have the rights is well silly honestly I would of been fine with Bond 24 if it was titled say The Property of a Lady and all spectre/Blofeld references were removed and indeed Oberhauser was the head of Quantum. That would be really cool. I had this argument with fans late 2014 saying that if they use spectre and Blofeld and try and change elements of those characters people would complain and it would be far better to not use those names and just build original stories someone and I forget who said no they can change elements it would be fine... Well I was right.

    Plus the use of spectre and Blofeld now even with him in prison well hi need to wrap up these loose ends which is a shame as for bond 7 or 8 uou could of brought in Spectre and Blofeld. Heck Mendes4lyfe would agree with me when I say I would rather have seen quantum end with Craig and Spectre begin with Turner (though I am still on the Hiddleston train for bond 7 don't hate me too much) then now having to end both spectre and quantum with Craig... And while I really don't want to say this Eon trying to beat marvel at their own game was a disaster waiting to happen. I like the Craig bond films being their own time line and inter connected but it only works if the connections are there in the previous films shoe horning skyfall into the narrative is so silly even if Jesper Christian was at odds with the producers due to his comments why not throw in Guy Haines at the hearing with M and have him be he reason Silva escapes instead of some convoluted escape plan that shows Silva should of just used his gifts to go to Vegas clean out every casino and live peacefully in a nice secluded paradise lol. Again shared universes require planning and can't be thrown together in one or two films... (I probably just made Doubleego's weekend in saying that)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    The budgeting has certainly grown ridiculous. The sad and worrying thing is that EON's team seem to find this all endearing and rather splendid.

    When Mendes was shooting the explosion of Blofeld's facility, for example, he was beyond cheery (as was Corbould and the rest of the crew) as they wasted millions of dollars on real explosives to blow up the set, just so they could say they got a damn Guinness world record. They could have saved all those millions by shooting with miniatures and a modicum of CGI, you know, like most smart and sensible filmmakers would, but again, like Powell they somehow took joy in throwing all that money into the fire.

    How the studio allows this, especially when they have to worry about these films making profit beyond their cost, I have no idea. With smart budgeting and a little ingenuity, like EON used to have when Cubby was at the helm, SP's budget would've been cut in half, and then some.

    But these films barely shoot on location anymore, so clearly the old days are gone. I was saddened watching a special effects feature on SP recently, where much of what we saw on screen in some scenes was entirely computer generated. Not only are we not getting true, on location sequences much anymore, worse yet, when we think we're seeing Bond on location, much of that is all smoke and mirrors.

    It'd be glorious to get back to the Moore era ways of doing location shooting, where the crew actually visited exotic and epic locations (as in TSWLM), showing them as they truly were with no scene dressing. And most of all, when the locations appeared on the big screen with Bond roaming around in them, they truly lept off the screen and we felt like we were right there with him. That magic is sadly nearly gone.
    I agree. I miss seeing more of the real location work, like in some of the earlier Bond films. I recently watched LALD and I could almost smell the bayou during the boat chase sequence. The croc scene also similarly popped on blu ray. CGI cannot recreate the atmosphere of a location imho, although it can for the most part recreate the visuals. The same goes for the Thailand canal/klong (which I have visited in real life) sequence in TMWTGG. One can almost smell the water in the film. The SF pretitles sequence gave off a similar vibe to a degree, due to the on site location work in Istanbul, but there was also the obvious enhanced CGI during the bike ride.

    I hope we see more real locations going forward. I for one can tell the difference between real and CGI & it's annoying. That's why I'm partial to thrillers like The International, which although they may have less stuntwork, have far more impressive real location work. I'm quite certain they can get a few in for the price of one of those bloody Jaguars.
    As an aside, each Jaguar C-X75 costs $1.2 million. It's harder to get a handle on the cost of the specially made DB10s, but Astons often cost $200,000 or more. It wouldn't take that many of both to get up to $36 million.

    http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/jaguar-talks-about-the-c-x75-electric-hypercar-all-1-2-million-of-it/
    Ridiculous. I would have been happier if they had used two Italian classics (a Lambo Miura & a Ferrari Dino for example) out of respect for the location they were shooting in, rather than the car advert we got.
  • Posts: 2,115
    //The switch in names for the orgnization//

    Remember back in the distant past, 2012 or so?

    http://www.craveonline.com/site/199687-the-spoiler-interview-barbara-broccoli-and-michael-g-wilson-on-skyfall

    Barbara Broccoli: I mean, we’ve talked about Blofeld over the years. The thing is Blofeld was fantastic for the time but I think it’s about creating characters that are, villains that are more appropriate for the contemporary world. It’s more exciting for us to create somebody new.

    Not only that, but Quantum was *better* than SPECTRE.

    http://www.007.info/broccoli-and-wilson-speak-to-sfx/

    Interestingly, Wilson and Broccoli told SFX that they have not abandoned the Quantum organisation, but also confirmed that it is not used in ‘Skyfall’. Wilson also revealed that they have the rights to bring back Blofeld and SPECTRE. ‘We believe we can use them. **They’re a little dated at the moment. We went for the Quantum organisation, which was more business oriented, trying to corner the market on scarce resources, rather than a criminal organisation that did blackmail and bank robberies…’.***

    Of course, in the fall of 2013 the deal was struck with the McClory estate and everything changed....
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    //The switch in names for the orgnization//

    Remember back in the distant past, 2012 or so?

    http://www.craveonline.com/site/199687-the-spoiler-interview-barbara-broccoli-and-michael-g-wilson-on-skyfall

    Barbara Broccoli: I mean, we’ve talked about Blofeld over the years. The thing is Blofeld was fantastic for the time but I think it’s about creating characters that are, villains that are more appropriate for the contemporary world. It’s more exciting for us to create somebody new.

    Not only that, but Quantum was *better* than SPECTRE.

    http://www.007.info/broccoli-and-wilson-speak-to-sfx/

    Interestingly, Wilson and Broccoli told SFX that they have not abandoned the Quantum organisation, but also confirmed that it is not used in ‘Skyfall’. Wilson also revealed that they have the rights to bring back Blofeld and SPECTRE. ‘We believe we can use them. **They’re a little dated at the moment. We went for the Quantum organisation, which was more business oriented, trying to corner the market on scarce resources, rather than a criminal organisation that did blackmail and bank robberies…’.***

    Of course, in the fall of 2013 the deal was struck with the McClory estate and everything changed....
    Thanks for posting. Interestingly, I agree with their thinking regarding Quantum. Although perhaps not executed as well as it could have been, the idea of new characters is more appealing to me than going back to the well. Quantum still appears more contemporary to me than Spectre as imagined in SP.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Back in 2008 I thought we would get a new film where Bond hunts done each of the members of Quantum that he photographed during the opera, ending with White.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    edited May 2016 Posts: 2,545
    India Today have jumped on the rumour mill band wagon, reporting that Bollywood it girls of the moment Deepika Padukone and Priyanka Chopra are both supposedly being considered as Bond girls.

    If there's any truth to this. Could this mean they are trying to revisit India as a shooting location again?
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    Wasn't Indian actress Aishwarya Rai Bachchan linked with Bond 24 also?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    She's been a rumoured Bond girl for the last 15 years.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    The Indian thing always gets airplay in between Bond films. I think it's due to the power of their film industry (formidable) and so the marketing machine kicks in (everyone wants a piece of Bond and to ride off its coat tails). I wouldn't say it's credible at this point.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    They should've shelved any Spectre/Blofeld ideas for the time being and finished out the Quantum storyline if they were so confident in creating something new. Shame.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    They should've shelved any Spectre/Blofeld ideas for the time being and finished out the Quantum storyline if they were so confident in creating something new. Shame.

    Yeah, I liked that relationship that developed between Felix and Bond during Craig's first 2. I thought they might become partners. The fact that he is never seen again after Quantum would seem to suggest a change of direction by the producers, which is a shame. I'm still look forward to the first instance that Felix is played 3 times by the same bloke.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Wright and Craig are a match made in heaven. They play so well off each other. A bit like Giannini and Craig.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Mathis shouldn't have been killed off. That was dreadfully awful idea.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Mathis shouldn't have been killed off. That was dreadfully awful idea.
    It was a shame. I realize they were going the Kerim route, but I too would have preferred if they kept him around. Such a charismatic actor and a joy to watch, even in Hannibal.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    They should've shelved any Spectre/Blofeld ideas for the time being and finished out the Quantum storyline if they were so confident in creating something new. Shame.

    Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Mathis shouldn't have been killed off. That was dreadfully awful idea.
    It was a shame. I realize they were going the Kerim route, but I too would have preferred if they kept him around. Such a charismatic actor and a joy to watch, even in Hannibal.
    Agreed. But, Mathis was no Kerim. He was more of a recurring ally of Bond's than a key character in one standalone story. They should've kept him longer. Adding to that dilemma, I also hated the idea of Mr. White ending himself so easily. He could've eventually become a reluctant ally of Bond's.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Mathis shouldn't have been killed off. That was dreadfully awful idea.
    It was a shame. I realize they were going the Kerim route, but I too would have preferred if they kept him around. Such a charismatic actor and a joy to watch, even in Hannibal.
    Agreed. But, Mathis was no Kerim. He was more of a recurring ally of Bond's than a key character in one standalone story. They should've kept him longer. Adding to that dilemma, I also hated the idea of Mr. White ending himself so easily. He could've eventually become a reluctant ally of Bond's.

    It's extremely hard to be an ally with someone when you've been poisoned with thallium. White was saving himself from a further two weeks in hell, when his death was assured.

    Plus, I loved the imagery of him hooked up to an IV again, a la the beginning of QoS.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Mathis shouldn't have been killed off. That was dreadfully awful idea.
    It was a shame. I realize they were going the Kerim route, but I too would have preferred if they kept him around. Such a charismatic actor and a joy to watch, even in Hannibal.
    Agreed. But, Mathis was no Kerim. He was more of a recurring ally of Bond's than a key character in one standalone story. They should've kept him longer. Adding to that dilemma, I also hated the idea of Mr. White ending himself so easily. He could've eventually become a reluctant ally of Bond's.

    It's extremely hard to be an ally with someone when you've been poisoned with thallium. White was saving himself from a further two weeks in hell, when his death was assured.

    Plus, I loved the imagery of him hooked up to an IV again, a la the beginning of QoS.
    I wasn't referring to his position in Spectre or health status as it has been. Obviously after thallium poisoning, the character's fate was an eventual demise. What I meant was that the whole idea of intending to kill White off was wrong, in my opinion. He could have served a bigger purpose in the Craig era than this one. We already got a hint of how dangerous and untouchable he is in the first two films, and now he's easily dispatched. It was a poor ending of such a colourful villain.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Mathis shouldn't have been killed off. That was dreadfully awful idea.
    It was a shame. I realize they were going the Kerim route, but I too would have preferred if they kept him around. Such a charismatic actor and a joy to watch, even in Hannibal.
    Agreed. But, Mathis was no Kerim. He was more of a recurring ally of Bond's than a key character in one standalone story. They should've kept him longer. Adding to that dilemma, I also hated the idea of Mr. White ending himself so easily. He could've eventually become a reluctant ally of Bond's.

    It's extremely hard to be an ally with someone when you've been poisoned with thallium. White was saving himself from a further two weeks in hell, when his death was assured.

    Plus, I loved the imagery of him hooked up to an IV again, a la the beginning of QoS.
    I wasn't referring to his position in Spectre or health status as it has been. Obviously after thallium poisoning, the character's fate was an eventual demise. What I meant was that the whole idea of intending to kill White off was wrong, in my opinion. He could have served a bigger purpose in the Craig era than this one. We already got a hint of how dangerous and untouchable he is in the first two films, and now he's easily dispatched. It was a poor ending of such a colourful villain.

    I'm definitely with you on that, for sure. SP played up the comparisons between Bond and White a lot in just that one scene, where Bond is essentially being warned about what his life could turn into if he makes the wrong moves (he may end up like White, dying and alone), and more scenes and a bigger part for White could've played that up more.

    He is too good a character to go so easy, and Jasper and Dan have always acted wonderfully off of each other. Still, we got some great moments while we had him that cemented him as one of the best "baddies" of the Craig era and the franchise in general, especially the Tosca sequence where he is the only Quantum member who remains seated when their cover is blown.
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    Was never that big on White's Felix but I still think killing of Mathis is probably the biggest mistake of the Craig era.

    As for ditching Quantum for SPECTRE, I had no problem with it myself. QoS did not do well. The majority did not like it (myself included so to be fair I am biased), seeing it as a disappointment. So I can't fault EON for switching things up.

    Besides it's not like they abandoned the plot completely. They wrapped it up as best they could without alienating the new audience SF bought on, and it makes sense. In the novels SPECTRE was made up high ranking members of a number of smaller criminal organisations from across the globe (from what we see in QoS, Quantum wasn't a global threat, very eurocentric operation) iirc. Triads, mafia, etc. So it makes sense that a few of Quantums finest (Green, White) would be part of Blofelds crew. The only issue I had with the retconning was Silva being an agent.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Was never that big on White's Felix but I still think killing of Mathis is probably the biggest mistake of the Craig era.

    As for ditching Quantum for SPECTRE, I had no problem with it myself. QoS did not do well. The majority did not like it (myself included so to be fair I am biased), seeing it as a disappointment. So I can't fault EON for switching things up.

    Besides it's not like they abandoned the plot completely. They wrapped it up as best they could without alienating the new audience SF bought on, and it makes sense. In the novels SPECTRE was made up high ranking members of a number of smaller criminal organisations from across the globe (from what we see in QoS, Quantum wasn't a global threat, very eurocentric operation) iirc. Triads, mafia, etc. So it makes sense that a few of Quantums finest (Green, White) would be part of Blofelds crew. The only issue I had with the retconning was Silva being an agent.

    But could you imagine a sequence where Bond discovered something important intercut with scenes of SPECTRE shredding its Quantum veneer, all set to '007 and counting'... Chills.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Mathis shouldn't have been killed off. That was dreadfully awful idea.
    It was a shame. I realize they were going the Kerim route, but I too would have preferred if they kept him around. Such a charismatic actor and a joy to watch, even in Hannibal.
    Agreed. But, Mathis was no Kerim. He was more of a recurring ally of Bond's than a key character in one standalone story. They should've kept him longer. Adding to that dilemma, I also hated the idea of Mr. White ending himself so easily. He could've eventually become a reluctant ally of Bond's.

    It's extremely hard to be an ally with someone when you've been poisoned with thallium. White was saving himself from a further two weeks in hell, when his death was assured.

    Plus, I loved the imagery of him hooked up to an IV again, a la the beginning of QoS.
    I wasn't referring to his position in Spectre or health status as it has been. Obviously after thallium poisoning, the character's fate was an eventual demise. What I meant was that the whole idea of intending to kill White off was wrong, in my opinion. He could have served a bigger purpose in the Craig era than this one. We already got a hint of how dangerous and untouchable he is in the first two films, and now he's easily dispatched. It was a poor ending of such a colourful villain.

    I'm definitely with you on that, for sure. SP played up the comparisons between Bond and White a lot in just that one scene, where Bond is essentially being warned about what his life could turn into if he makes the wrong moves (he may end up like White, dying and alone), and more scenes and a bigger part for White could've played that up more.

    He is too good a character to go so easy, and Jasper and Dan have always acted wonderfully off of each other. Still, we got some great moments while we had him that cemented him as one of the best "baddies" of the Craig era and the franchise in general, especially the Tosca sequence where he is the only Quantum member who remains seated when their cover is blown.
    You couldn't be more right on that. And indeed the scene in Spectre, if you try to elongate its rather psychological side had too much written into it, but I could have done with a little bit more of White, as I could have done with the story of the film itself extended into a two-part story (as the rumours have suggested back when Skyfall was released) with White and Bond playing a more prominent role. Imagine Batman and Ra'as Al Ghul reluctantly teaming up to stop a greater villain, that's what I would've seen coming out of Bond's and White's allegiance.

    And during the Tosca scene in Quantum of Solace when he doesn't get up from his seat in order not to be identified only suggests the amount of time he has been in the spy game and knows how to play it. Many of the members were discovered and yet he maintained his camouflage. So, when I was watching Spectre, and with White being put down by a "greater villain," I thought the whole antagonism of the evil organization's leader was going to blow me away... So White was poisoned with thallium, and the man we thought that could've been Quantum's chairman in the first two films was outsmarted... So, Spectre's own leader must be supremely notorious one... Yet, it was the stereotypical Blofeld whose name was supposed to be feared to utter, yet no such thing was detectable on the traits of the character.

    So, all in all... Imagine... a Mr. White facing something he'd know he couldn't have stood up against would reluctantly come to Bond for help. And they could've worked together to expose and dismantle Spectre. White could still have had his daughter to protect and later in stages comes to liaise with the MI-6. That has happened more than once in history, and the most notable one was Operation Paperclip after the war. Or the recent television series The Blacklist. Imagine that kind of dynamic with the great Jasper Christensen and Daniel Craig acting their chops in their respective roles to create that intensive element.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited May 2016 Posts: 28,694
    This all makes me wonder now, in looking back: is it Blofeld that White is talking to on his phone at the end of CR before Bond shoots him in the leg? I like to think so, as it gives a bit of retconned foreshadowing to his demise. Watching SP has made me reexamine the previous Craig films, and what EON intended and didn't intend to place in the movies that can be read or interpreted as SPECTRE's influence.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Wasn't it Bond who called him?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Yeah it was Bond. Bond calls him, White answers it, Bond says "Mr. White. we need to talk" BANG! :P
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