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If it's to be a female villain then they should cast continental European actress. But they've done the old obvious bait and switch with Sophie Marceau in TWINE. To me it's already played. Time for a new angle. Or just make her the villain from the outset.
@LeChiffre, I don't want flashbacks at all but if they would do that, Mark Strong would be a great choice.
Guess it's lucky none of us are working for EON!
Or maybe Boyle’s big idea is that that is the whole film and Craig only appears sitting chatting with Major Dexter Smythe, the man Franz hires to top his father?
Thing is someone on here will no doubt come back and say they think that is a good idea.
Also the fact that the Mirror article explicitly mentions Jolie is interesting re: the whole 'is CashleyPersia legit' question. Especially as only a few weeks ago I think Variety mentioned that Cruz turned down a role in this to star in Chastain's 355.
I don't why people have immediately harped on to the whole 'mental illness' thing, that doesn't at all mean it's going to be a dour and introspective film...having this as a character element would make a lot of sense in the current Craig era, Boyle tackled similar stuff in his two Trainspotting films without letting up tone wise. I think a great comparison here to use as an example is Tony Stark (sorry to bring up Marvel again lol), what they've done here with tackling the character's PTSD following the events of the first Avengers film and then using it as the foundation for the big arc which lead to the major films that came down the line from them (Age of Ultron, Civil War and now the Infinity War/its 2019 sequel finale) was rather well done. And putting it together with the other rumours (namely the whole protege aspect) works - would make sense that Bond wouldn't be qualified to be out in the field but being an instructor, training agent/s up, who is then pulled into 'one last mission'...
Tell me about it! Just had my car in for a service, and that wasn't cheap!
Hadn't even noticed he wore a NATO strap in SP. Then again, I had other issues to notice when watching that film… Interesting to have the NATO strap back though - even if a metal bracelet would have been preferable in most scenes. Hope Omega have a nice watch for Bond to wear in Bond 25. If not, then a Seamaster 300 would do.
Didn't Fleming's Bond suffer depression in YOLT after Tracy died? I seem to recall him being a full-blown alcoholic, who sat on park benches and drinking whiskey at 10:00am. There's even a scene where M is considering sending Bond to a psychologist.
I like the idea of Bond suffering from mental illness. There is a considerable conversation occurring about men's mental health and having someone like 07 suffer from anxiety/depression would be an interesting and brave move. Bravo Danny Boyle (if it's true).
Also, I watched The Program last night, which is written by John Hodge AND stars a cameo from Michael G Wilson! So at least Wilson can guarantee Hodge will write him a part.
Even ignoring the unremitting crapness of the protege idea for a minute, in most jobs if someone was beset with mental illness they wouldn't be tasked with training someone but in a job where national security and people's lives are on the line they would? Terrible on pretty much every level.
Just copying Marvel isn't the solution to everything you do realise?
Great shout. Bugger #metoo, mental illness in men is the new topical hot potato - let's get it in there with some nice chunks of YOLT and even an appearance from Sir James Molony?
And as for end of DCs tenure keep the ending of YOLT complete and have him living as a Japanese fisherman? Would do for me. The only thing that suggests an adaptation of YOLT is very unlikley is Boyle & Hodge's 'big idea'. It has to be something very different from filming YOLT as I suspect P&W's script probably incorporated elements of that.
And yet Dench's M still cleared Bond for duty in Skyfall after his 'temporary death' despite not being fit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wasn't suggesting they'd copy Marvel, just using it as an example of top flight blockbusters actually effectively using this. Other examples: literally the two most recent Batman films (in a slightly less obvious way, mind).
Also, I'm struggling to see the issue with the protege idea asides from the 'Bond should always be on his own and nothing should take away from emphasis on him' school of thought.
Or instead of watching all this dross for inspiration they could go perhaps go back to Fleming?
That would certainly be a large part of it but the worst element is I already know how the film ends - Bond cornered by the villain and the protege stepping up to save him a la Domino in TB, probably in a way which refers back to something earlier in the film that she failed but now has to do correctly to succeed kind of like this:
Earlier scene with Bond and the protege doing sniper training (think Leon and Matilda) and Bond admonishes her for missing due to not taking account of the wind speed.
Finale with the protege and Bond separated and she has a sniper rifle while Bond battles the villain below. Bond is beaten and the villain moves in for the kill as the protege lines up the shot, but a glance at a nearby flag shows us that there is a pretty stiff breeze!!!! The suspense! The tension! The drama! And all centred on the protege whilst Bond becomes a peripheral character.
Also what happens to the protege at the end? Do they die because if not the general public would expect to see them in the next film (or worse still take over the 007 number as Bond retires) and before you know it we're into Batman & Robin territory.
Bond definitely suffers from depression. In the first chapter of Goldfinger he gets drunk and reflects on his life and the fact he hates killing people (a subject Fleming touches upon in several books of his, such as The Living Daylights).
The thing is, translating that to the screen is not easy at all. Bond's depression and hard life should not be a pivot point of the movie, but rather be subtly hinted at here and there in Bond's actions (shown, not told). I think a good example of this is the beach scene from GoldenEye, with Bond contemplating the fact he's going to kill a former friend of his, or the dinner scene in TMWTGG, when Bond tells Goodnight "in our profession, you never can count on that moment to come".
Jeeeez - SPOILERS!!!
Well yeah, I know this. And what's not to say that Fiennes' M wouldn't do something similar to let him train someone, or say flat out no to field work to Bond due to his issues and instead relegating him to training up agents?
As others right on this thread have said, Fleming does establish Bond having mental health issues a bit and re: 'dross', as if Bond isn't seen as 'dross' by others and, as I already said earlier, Bond is absolutely cut from the same sort of cloth, with the only difference being explicitly the 'spy' genre and lack of superpowers/overt sci-fi elements. Stop pretending Bond is somehow above this. Could even make the argument that most of the recent such 'dross' has proven to be far less formulaic and more original than some people want B25 to be...
I'm sure Boyle, if this protege element is true, would know about this trope and even if he decides to play that straight, is taking attention away from Bond for *one* moment really a problem? Didn't we literally have an incredibly similar moment with Madeleine in SPECTRE during the Hinx train fight? As for the 'what happens at the end point', if you explicitly make it clear that this film/story is the end to the Craig era, the audience will be fine. Did anyone seriously expect Joseph Gordon Levitt's 'Robin' character in The Dark Knight Rises, the ending which does set him up as Batman's successor, to return when they make a bunch of other Batman movies after Nolan is done? At least gotta give the so-called 'glut' of comic book movies this, smartening the audiences up when it comes to continuity, reboots, recasts etc etc...
+3. Someone put these people in a room and ask them to view FRWL, DN & CR on a loop for a few days please.
Agreed. Hopefully Babs has the balls to push back against any pressure on this front, and even her own worst instincts.
Don't give them any ideas!
The problem, imho, with this whole mental affliction angle is it's a bit cliched. Moreover, we've been hearing for the better part of a year about how Babs and Craig were enamoured with Logan, and how that film may have even been instrumental in persuading him to return when he was prevaricating. So this is all just a tad predictable. As you said, RDJ already did this brilliantly in the (underrated imho) Iron Man 3. The protege angle has the stench of #MeToo pandering and spin off written all over it as well. I can only hope that Danny Boyle's big 'golden' idea which caused everyone to wet themselves and drop everything is a bit more than this.
Oh dear. Not sure how to respond to this.
EDIT: At this rate, by B26 Bond will be an avowed Incel.
Old man Bond is on his chicken farm, telling his grandchildren about his experiences while serving Her Majesty.
We then get several episodic tales from the classics, such as GF, DAF, LALD, MR and what have you. Maybe Bond even spreads it on a little thick.
EON, your move.
I actually reached out and asked David Arnold if he was involved in Twitter glad to see this little tease right here
https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2018/05/06/rise-of-the-scooby-gang-in-007-films/
Since that post, I have discovered the Scooby-Doo character characters were based on the Dobie Gillis television show. That was similar to how Hanna-Barbera based the characters in The Flintstones on The Honeymooners.
Wouldn't disagree.
I just want to see him be the coolest man alive.
Some of us want to go to Bond films to escape things in the real world. Is that such a bad thing or a necessity of the world we're now living in?