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will it be one of his rap numbers?
Not saying it is or isn't a good idea, but it kinda/sorta fits the "mental illness". But then again, brainwashing or programming would probably not be considered a mental illness exactly.
But it could leave an agent depressed or anxious without knowing why. Also brings part of TMWTGG to the screen.
Maybe he's programmed to kill M or destroy MI6?
It's the snowflake generation, so only a villain from outer space is guaranteed to be completely inoffensive.
Having said that, even in the 70s when we could all take a bit of a verbal bruising and come out none the worse for the experience there was a bit of a rumble about all of LALD's villains being black.
Also, let´s not forget how guys like Saddam Hussein overtook any Bond villain in terms of incredulity. He is not among us anymore, but a lot of people like him still are.
And how was Quantum not like the Spectre of the 60s?
The potential for great Bond villains is out there in spades.
The main readon to me is, that they betrayed their own marketing concept of the Craig era, where Bond actually bleeds and feels pain. The super Bond, who gets out if a fight immaculate belongs to the past. Some fans call ot traditional. They shouldnt have tried going back to that. No script can make up for the nonsense of not bleeding etc.
That's why I rarely venture into this thread, with nutty ideas like that one. Maybe we should be less harsh on old P+W, judging by the dross some fans come up with.
Actually, here's a thought. Vesper's long lost evil sister and Silva's even more dastardly long lost brother team up to fight Bond, with the whole shebang being orchestrated by Brofeld's monkey? That could work.
He didnt bleed after the train figjt either and that certainly was how the old films were done. It was the big „new“ in CR that he looked acvording to the events. They should stick to that. Evetything else is laughable now.
Couldn't agree more. From nailing it and returning us to Fleming's world in CR after the cartoon excess of DAD they then jettisoned all that and went back to Roger style fights where not a drop of blood was spilled.
Not to mention after laughing about gadgets just one film earlier then Q performing a volte face and giving Bond an exploding watch.
Is it any wonder people question that they know what theyr're doing when they keep flip flopping like that?
But then it has ever been thus, boom and bust. Once things get too ridiculous they go back to basics before slowly dialling it back up again before the next time they need to hit the reset button.
Mr. Craig decided, for whatever reason, to attempt some Mooreisms, which he also tried on occasion in SF ("Circle of Life") and failed to deliver them in an authentic manner consistent with his portrayal. Consequently, he came across affected and, for lack of a better word, fake.
Moreover, he combined this poor attempt at insouciance with a certain nastiness unbecoming of Bond. Snarling his way through several scenes, most notably the M office briefing and Maddy intro.
I'd say he was the opposite of 'cool' in SP. My personal definition of 'cool' for Bond is whether there are aspects of the portrayal that I would like to emulate. Elements which impress me enough that I would like to be him. There was sadly none of that in SP. In fact, there is very little of Bond in SP that impressed me at all. Not cool.
The above reflects my personal views on the matter of course.
I don't think that was the reason SP wasn't the success they hoped for. They maybe hinted at Moore sometimes, and I recognize the movie is a little more according to the 'formula'. But in the end the problem with SP, for me at least, is the plot.
Well, what got into him that confused him to such a degree? Craig portrayed Bond in a manner completely different from any actor before him, even Dalton seems like Connery/Laz/Moore/Brosnan in comparison. Yet Craig singlehandedly took total command of the role and made Bond a wide success again. So what on earth gave him the idea he needed to put more Moore into it?
He should have realised that the reason Moore's humour worked so well was that it was tailored to him. The lack of a recurring screenwriter who 'gets' the actor doesn't help.
The dodgy humour started in SF. Popping cuffs is apparently Craig's equivalent of Brosnan's tie straightening (because it was so cool and funny first time round).
I don't know what Mendes saw in Craig's CR performance that made him want to totally change the character in SF and SP.
He should have realised that the reason Moore's humour worked so well was that it was tailored to him. The lack of a recurring screenwriter who 'gets' the actor doesn't help.
The dodgy humour started in SF. Popping cuffs is apparently Craig's equivalent of Brosnan's tie straightening (because it was so cool and funny first time round).
I don't know what Mendes saw in Craig's CR performance that made him want to totally change the character in SF and SP.
Regarding his failed (imho) attempts at evoking Sir Rog in SP, to an extent I don't blame him. I think he was trying to chart the natural evolution of the cinematic character, from reboot impulsive thug to smoothie. Perhaps he thought he was going to be done after that, and so wanted to set it up for the next guy? Perhaps there was an element of hubris? Who knows? Bottom line is it didn't work, and he's a big part of the reason why (imho again). It's just not his forte, and hopefully he realizes this now.
I agree that SF is where this nonsense started. It seemed to work in that film, or at least that's what they must have thought after the runaway box office. So why not double down? Big mistake.
What's sad, as you both correctly note, is that Craig had perfected his Bond in the very first film he made. Prior to getting his nuts crushed he was, for all intents and purposes, already a superior cinematic Bond interpretation. One that was very much his own. Not as suave as his most illustrious predecessors, but instantly credible, edgy and comfortable in his skin.
He has to recapture that portrayal for his final outing. Otherwise, he should just pack up and go home, again imho.
I don't agree with that. I think Craig's major strength is that he actually has thought the character through.
He gave his younger Bond a degree of arrogance and cockiness in CR which lead him to make mistakes, but get where he needed to be through sheer bloody mindedness.
In QOS he's bitter and aloof because of Vesper. More accepting of death, certainly more casual about his own life.
In SF it's definitely the same man, a few years later, seasoned for sure. Then he feels let down, abandoned by the one person he trusts above all others. He goes after Silva knowing this is his last chance. But his casual approach to life and his world weariness (00s have a short life expectancy - he knows that, he said that) is showing. How is this not the same man who sat on a train with Vesper, as a smug young 00?
In SP his anger only now shows through in the fights. He controls his demons better, he's more relaxed, more self confident, but those demons are still there.
Unlike Brosnan whose biggest weakness is that he played 4 slightly different versions of Bond, Craig nails the characters development over a number of years. Yes he is a tormented soul (as Bond was in the books), but that is the character in this time line. He has to see it through now. If anyone wants a fluffy Bond who gets his mission from M in scene 1 and jokes his way through the mission, shagging girls and toppling mega rich psychos then maybe you will be in luck next time.
If that happens, no one will cheer louder than me, but Craig has been superb playing this tortured soul version of Bond.