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This cute repertoire between these two are literally and figuratively a Mendes creation, and it's clear that Boyle is no Mendes.
It's also clear that even in a film so straight forward like SJ, Boyle's scripts, direction and visuals are unhinged with frenetic energy. He's unrelenting and marches to his own unique voice.
I find it hard to imagine this Q (created in the hands of another director (but whom I enjoy immensely)), fitting into Danny Boyle's B25 world.
Judi Dench’s M had been created many directors prior to DC’s arrival and she continued, through two more.
And the last thing Boyle's going to do is copy whatever came before.
Q was not in CR, nor QoS. Nor was he needed in these films (and an argument could be made he was never necessary in Craig's films to date-- I would agree (although I did like Ben))
When Q showed up in SF and SP, he was not the Q we had known for decades. He was new and re-imagined under the guidance of the director: Sam Mendes.
This Q was something we had never seen before.
And since Boyle is not someone to copy what came before, especially if he was not the original creator, I just find it difficult to realize Mendes' "Q" being in 25...
The exact same argument could be applied for Dench's M (a total re-invention of the character we had known for decades). She was essentially Campbell's creation, and yet the character was present in five other director's visions. Personally, I would be pissed if Whishaw was snubbed from B25.
Yes, M was re-invented in GE and again in CR. But the director's stamp on the character felt less than the the visionary strengths of Mendes.
We had an incredible debut with Craig.
The usual tropes of MP and Q were kind of re-invented in these first two films without having to name characters Q and MP. And it grounded their roles in the story.
Mendes comes along, and they drop these characters back in. MP may've been "different" but ended up being something not radically "different."
"Q" was a complete re-invention. He was Mendes creation.
Not Boyle's.
I'm not saying Boyle would be done with the character.
I'm just saying I find it hard to imagine how he will play the Bond/Q scenes using his own voice, since Q was a character that was very much a Mendes interpretation (and a very strong one at that).
Personally, I feel Q is, and has never been, needed in Craig's timeline. I feel CR and QoS showed that beautifully.
I thought from the beginning that Casino Royale and forward the filmmakers were rebuilding their established Bond film formula. So it was just a matter of time before Q and Moneypenny showed up. Mendes or otherwise.
And regarding Boyle, surely he's committed to directing in part because he likes or loves the franchise. So his expected unique approach will still likely use the classic elements.
I'm not saying he won't use these classic elements.
I have said I can't visualize how he will (my lack of imagination)
Casino Royale was announced on a press sheet and wasn’t leaked but wasn’t made a big deal out of either
Quantum of solace was leaked about a week or so early
Skyfall was leaked 3 months early
Spectre was leaked on this forum a week before the announcement
So do you guys think it will be leaked or not?
Interesting. You’re right, they didn’t make a big deal of the fact that they were adapting CR – I believe they announced it in February 2005 alongside the news that Campbell was to direct.
QOS’s name leaked earlier in the day of the announcement in January 2008 – I believe a member of this forum simply did a check on a domain hosting site and figured it out.
SF leaked months before. I believe it was in September. I think it was through the same domain website issue. I think the title was actually decided a lot earlier in production – possibly even as early as CR’s title.
I think the Sony leaks confirm that SP was the title by the summer of 2014. However, the name only leaked due to a member at this forum revealing something he had overheard at Pinewood the week before.
I doubt Bond 25’s title will leak. Eon stopped the whole domain name issue and now simply use 007.com as the de-facto Bond website. I really don’t think they’re in a hurry to change this. If it leaks, it’ll be down to a situation similar to SP.
Also, it’s heresy that Whishaw is inherently connected to the Mendes era. He’s been the MVP of the last two Bond films and one of the most celebrated young actors on British screen and theatre. He’ll almost certainly be back in Bond 25. The only reason he wouldn’t return is if Boyle plans something more radical – like a period piece.
There is nothing in any of the previous Mendes films to suggest the character is outwardly connected to his oeuvre. It’s a silly suggestion. He’s pretty much the same old Q – only younger and more computer-savvy.
I liked the more assertive Q in SF – but the lighter more comedic Q in SP was equally as appreciated. You can’t get rid of Whishaw! He’s had the greatest career trajectory of any of the new MI6 regulars. Plus he has genuine chemistry with Craig.
No biggie.
Just a personal opinion that wasn't meant to offend his fans (I quite like Q, although I think there's an argument to be made that he and MP were unnecessary, as CR and QoS had made evident).
Perhaps I should have stated this in the controversial thread.
It was just more me coming to terms with Boyle's style after I watched, and continue to watch, his films.
Probably not for 17 films, but he's got the character nicely re- established after two films
Until the rebooted CR and QoS, the Q character, once established, had only been omitted from one film, and that was LALD.
I can't remember why that was exactly. Maybe to give Roger Moore maximum canvas to establish his character?
Llewellyn was busy with a tv series.
Not exactly.
Therefore I'd say it's entirely possible the title will be leaked sometime in the last week of November.
I like Whishaw as well. I think he had sufficient screen time in SF, but overused in SP.
I'd like him to stay on, but I must admit I kind of miss the days when M and Q both looked old enough to be my grandfather.
How many films have they done together, aside from SF and SPr?
The Trench
Enduring Love
Layer Cake
I think I am missing one.
https://www.imdb.com/search/title?roles=nm0185819,nm0924210&title_type=feature,tv_episode,video,tv_movie,tv_special,mini_series,documentary,game,short
Actually I quite like the current Q too. What I would wish for is that if they have to pretend there´s something like continuity, that they would follow that logic through. As funny as Q´s quip about bringing the car back in one piece was, it belies the notion that in SF the DB5 was Bond´s private car, and not government property. Bond films used to be the masters in the art of making nonsensical stuff work. Recently they seemed to have lost that access.
I know I am in the minority but I honestly don’t get why they couldn’t of just left Spectre for the next chap and given us the same film in 2015 but calling if something different (like Oberhauser) and dropped the blofield thing.. sure Bond’s step brother being the head of quantum is no less stupid but at least it doesn’t hurt peoples memories of Spectre and Blofield ... I don’t know and now to ignore the plot strands from Spectre simply because people don’t like the idea of Bond retireing and another revenge plot so soon after Quantum (10 years is not really soon but meh) is also annoying for a variety of reasons.
I am just a 31 year old fool who is rambling but I am slightly sad he Craig era started off so brilliantly with the first two films (and even I would argue the first three games) heck we even had our first modern bond novel in over a decade with Carte Blanche... then Skyfall 007 legends and Solo happened... then Spectre and that stupid mobile game and trigger Mortis and I know Craig has no control over half that stuff heck I don’t think even EON have control over certain things...
Sogh
Well said. It's baffling how different Craig's first and second era's are. Feels like different worlds.
A brave new world? ;)
Ha well done.
vulture.com/2018/07/ben-whishaw-a-very-english-scandal-interview.html
And you’re officially returning to James Bond?
That’s my understanding. I believe we’re starting in December, so I haven’t read anything or talked to anybody yet. But that’s quite normal. It’s all incredibly secretive until the last moment.
I would like to go on record that I think Q should be the next 007. Would you be game?
Oh, yeah! I’d only do it if I could be Q, though, doing it. I don’t want to jinx anything, but I’m definitely up for being more active.
"Journalism"