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So you’re saying you want Pierre Morrel to direct bond 26 fantastic
I just can't see director of "La grande belleza", "Le conseguenze dell'amore" and "Youth" making a Bond movie, sorry.
Totally agree
Umm, free world?
Nolan is fine, but Wright might do a better Bond film, you never know.
False dichotomy, Peter. I agree that some posters here have gone overboard, but just because GOTG3 is a shambles doesn't mean that B25 can't also be a shambles.
Anyway, from my side I'm a bit less worried about the script than the director. Of course, I think many of us have been saying for years that the scripts have been lacking, but in this case I take for granted that whoever comes on board will do some polishing/doctoring/rewrites.
My bigger concern is that it'll be hard to find a quality director with an open schedule at short notice. I fear that as we start flirting with billion-dollar box office takes, the 'journeyman' types (who admittedly made many of the greats of the past) might not cut it any more.
What you have to understand is that the writer is gone, but his script remains the property of EoN. This is not unusual for any film development as it is so very rare, on franchise/tent-pole films, that the original writer is still standing at the end.
The Hodge script belongs to Eon and they can do with it whatever they want.
I would guess this is the script they're going out with to directors. And the writers they're looking for will be script-doctors/polishers.
Here's some speculation from me again: I would put money down that this is what EoN would want anyways, someone to come on board to polish Hodge's work. And I bet Boyle recoiled at the idea-- this being one of the "creative differences".
they don't most likely own the script-- they paid for it, it's theres. And it's the one I assume they're going out with.
At least this is reassuring. I’d imagine it must be difficult trying to find a director, though, with only 3-4 months left before production is supposed to commence.
Let’s assume for a split second they get a director the film is a mix of the two ideas and it’s goes well am I the only one come next November who will be annoyed that Bond 25 is Shatterhand?
I do like the title and feel it could be good for a bond film but if your going to do Ohmss over why not just use the more obvious title All The Time in The World G̲e̲t̲ some new pop singer to cover the original song and there you go...
I know I am complaining about a button on a shirt while the rest of the shirt is in flames but it does bother me...
I mean it’s weird but many were complaining in 2008 about going through the remaining short story titles too quick but do we have to go through the one word S titles so quick as well?
I just (my opinion only) don’t really want to deal with
Shatterhand 2019
Smersh 2022 (Tom hardy as 007 and far panchito’s sake Nolan directing and co producing with Babs and Michael)
Shamelady 2024
Etc
It’s really telling I would prefer 007 in New York as the title over Shatterhand right now
The new director can come aboard, lean on his assistants, and focus solely on the polish of the script (which is exactly what would be happening right now if Boyle was still on board-- the polish of the script into the what would be the "shooting draft").
Theoretically, they haven't lost a step as it stands today.
It's now up to the director, and his comfort level, to step in and continue moving forward from where the production is right now. I gather this is what the producers are asking from their candidates: we are at a certain spot in production; we don't want to move backwards on this; we need you to keep moving forward...
If a director isn't comfortable with this concept, he won't say yes to the gig. If a young and energetic director like Demange sees this as a challenge, and an exciting one at that, I can see him jumping in with both feet.
I wonder about MacKenzie, a filmmaker I like; is stepping into pre-production and moving forward in his wheelhouse? He's about a decade older than Demange, more established. With his own way of shooting a film.
Demange is 41, still exploring his creative styles-- when you watch '71 and then see the trailer for White Boy Rick, I wouldn't recognize these two films being from the same director (although granted, a trailer is a trailer, and I should wait to watch the entire film)... Saying that, there's a certain grittiness and energy that looks to be an early Demange trademark...
I'd imagine at this stage they are trying to salvage something out of those two scripts they have. Given we get a new director either way, there will no doubt be tinkering. The question is how much tinkering and at what consequence? Will we be left with the much ballyhooed hook only, or will other elements and ideas be retained along with the action sequences? As long as we don't ultimately end up with an evident 'hodge'podge (forgive me...) of P&W (or other script doctor) + original writer like we did with SP, it should be all good.
Still hoping they get this damn thing out for October/November 2019 as previously promised.
While Sam Mendes was engaged with 18 months to develop his two respective Bond films, most directors in Bond (especially the Brosnan era) often got hired in mid-late summer the year before production.
Michael Apted:
His appointment was announced on August 9th 1998
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/146444.stm
Lee Tamahori:
His appointment was announced on July 30th 2001
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/9720
Marc Forster:
His appoint was announced on June 22nd 2007
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6220890.stm
Very good assessment.
Mackenzie would be competent and Demange would be enthusiastic and eager to please. I actually think Demange is an eager and intelligent filmmaker. His analysis of this scene from '71 is really interesting.
Hence why Logan has a writing credit on SPECTRE, who know of what exists of his treatment in that finished script and what is P&W or Butterworth.
I guess if Hodge ends up in the credits when Bond 25 hopefully opens next October (Uk) and November (U.S) we'll know that some of his work still exists in the finished product.
If they junk his whole script and go with P&W with someone else polishing then we'll see it in the credits and Hodge won't be credited I guess @peter?
Although I'm unsure if they don't use his work at all do they still need to credit him and is it only when it's a Frankenstein like scenario when many writers contribute regardless of the finished product get a credit, could you enlighten me on this please?
So, yes, one line from Hodge will have to be recognized in credit-- whether it's Original Story By
Danny Boyle and John Hodge
Screenplay By
Person X and Person Y
and
John Hodge
But, if they go all in on P&W with polishers on this script, they will give credit to these writers (and nothing to Hodge since nothing from his script was being used).
Right above my post. :)
Kind of suggests we'll never know for sure unless Hodge or Boyle open up about what got used if they both or one gets a credit then?
Interesting as Peter Morgan doesn't get a credit for Skyfall as I do believe and correct me if I'm wrong the whole idea of M dying was his although the rest is either P&W, Logan.
Like you say funny old world, do you see any creedence to idea that Hodge polished P&W as someone on the net has claimed, despite the fact they announced B25 with an original idea from Hodge & Boyle if I remember rightly?
Thanks again @peter
No, my gut would say that Hodge polishing a P&W draft is a ridiculous notion. The producers liked an original idea that Boyle pitched. Hodge was brought on to write that.
I doubt Boyle had any idea what the P&W draft was about.
Just another terrible internet rumour that’s mashed into other rumours.
I thought as much as it would totally contradict the idea of their idea being original.
Though one thing can be sure there is likely as was SF & SP a few writers involved with B25 if it goes to schedule credited or uncredited like Butterworth.
Bond 26 can be a soft reboot. No connection to previous continuity. New actor as 007, new M. Blofeld/SPECTRE not part of the reboot. New villains (perhaps something involving AI robots). Subject to budget, perhaps it's time for Bond to go a sci-fi AI route. Something a bit different to the Craig Bond era.
Wasn't SPECTRE pretty much a spiritual remake of OHMSS? A snowy location, Bond falling in love with the bad guy's daughter, Blofeld. If anything I could see Bond 25 being an adaptation of the You Only Live Twice novel (hence the Shatterhand title).
P&W wanted to kill M in QoS, but they decided that if M had to die at the end the movie had to revolve around her, so that ended up in Skyfall.
Ha ha i imagined partridge saying this.
Agree. Imagine how good that shot of Bond on the lake would have looked like if they just used natural colours!
I don't see Edgar Wright getting involved in a project like this, especially one which is having development troubles as it is.
So that leaves the other two. Demange might have the energy and determination to bring together a super Bond entry, but does he have the experience/ability? I only ever hear of '71 in relation to his previous work.
The other option, can't even remember the guy's name, has worked with Barbara before, right? He may have the inside track, but I can't see either really ending the Craig era "on a high". Not within the constraints of a 2019 release date.
It seems like the best option is to quit while we're ahead here. I agree with the articles and posters describing SP as a "worthy sendoff", as I think it was to be if Craig didn't come back. They can push back Bond 25 until November 2020, and recast the role in the next year or so. That way Craigs tally remains in the positive, he doesn't go out with a whimper like Brosnan, Moore and Connery (I like DAF, but still), and Bond move on full steam ahead. Everybody wins.
I have long believed that they shouldn't even think about announcing the release date of an upcoming Bond film until they have the shooting draft ready. Doing major rewrites month before the filming is supposed to start is exactly that leads to subpar Bond movies.