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  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Funnily, I feel TOMORROW NEVER LIES fits better as a title Fleming would have used, whereas TOMORROW NEVER DIES just sounds more generic. I wish that infamous typo made at MGM wasn't made.

    Totally agreed. Fleming titles always were unexpected and had a unique twist (Live and Let Die instead of Live and Let Live). TNL also makes much more sense story-wise.
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Fleming had variety in his titles: FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE, THUNDERBALL, YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, OCTOPUSSY, etc

    Sometimes I feel the filmmakers try so hard to come up with a title that sounds Bondian they tend to lose that variety: TOMORROW NEVER DIES, DIE ANOTHER DAY and so forth.

    I do prefer when Eon use a phrase or something from the man himself when coming up with a title, therefore I don't really mind SHATTERHAND.

    Three "S" titles in a row is a bit redundant. It's been so long that there's been a new Bond film in the works I don't think audiences will remember what letter the last film started with anyway.

    To be fair, Fleming himself came up with the phrase "Die Another Day". But I agree with your post.

    MooreFun wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    I think they should re-title all the previous Bond movies so that they start with an "S"

    For example:

    SEEK OUT DR. NO
    SINCERELY, FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
    SIR GOLDFINGER
    SAFETY MANAGEMENT: THUNDERBALL
    SO, YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
    SECRET SERVICE
    SPECIAL DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
    SAY LIVE AND LET DIE

    And so on...

    Stop The Man With The Golden Gun
    Shank The Spy Who Loved Me
    Space Moonraker
    Sex For Your Eyes Only
    Spandex Octopussy
    See A View To A Kill
    Scared The Living Daylights Out Of Her
    Stealing A Licence To Kill
    Shining GoldenEye
    Stamper's Tomorrow Never Dies
    Spinning The World Is Not Enough
    Sing And Die Another Day
    Spirit Of Casino Royale
    Smelling The Quantum Of Solace
    Skyfall
    Spectre
    Shatterhand

    Ahahah, good one!
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    peter wrote: »
    w/t means working title-- which is in brackets beside SHATTERHAND...

    Now a few of us knew that EoN was gearing up for something and ppl were to be taking production offices by end of April-- which follows the timeline of the P&W script... So if the working title (w/t) was SHATTERHAND, it would be posted as such on a production site (because they were about to start crewing up).

    Then, suddenly, this news of production offices opening went very quiet leading into April...

    And then it was announced that Boyle and his idea would now be B25.

    It's highly reasonable to believe that B25 (w/t SHATTERHAND) was never changed over-- and for many reasons-- but the one I subscribe to is this: although they are using what will soon be a polished script based off the Boyle script, Boyle had no title yet for the film-- thus the production announcement remains James Bond 25 (w/t SHATTERHAND).

    FWIW, the Nov. 2017 listing for Bond 25 does not say Shatterhand but the July 2018 and August 2018 ones do.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
    Posts: 575
    echo wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    w/t means working title-- which is in brackets beside SHATTERHAND...

    Now a few of us knew that EoN was gearing up for something and ppl were to be taking production offices by end of April-- which follows the timeline of the P&W script... So if the working title (w/t) was SHATTERHAND, it would be posted as such on a production site (because they were about to start crewing up).

    Then, suddenly, this news of production offices opening went very quiet leading into April...

    And then it was announced that Boyle and his idea would now be B25.

    It's highly reasonable to believe that B25 (w/t SHATTERHAND) was never changed over-- and for many reasons-- but the one I subscribe to is this: although they are using what will soon be a polished script based off the Boyle script, Boyle had no title yet for the film-- thus the production announcement remains James Bond 25 (w/t SHATTERHAND).

    FWIW, the Nov. 2017 listing for Bond 25 does not say Shatterhand but the July 2018 and August 2018 ones do.

    When does it first appear as I saw on Archivo007's forum that it was also present in June?
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    echo wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    w/t means working title-- which is in brackets beside SHATTERHAND...

    Now a few of us knew that EoN was gearing up for something and ppl were to be taking production offices by end of April-- which follows the timeline of the P&W script... So if the working title (w/t) was SHATTERHAND, it would be posted as such on a production site (because they were about to start crewing up).

    Then, suddenly, this news of production offices opening went very quiet leading into April...

    And then it was announced that Boyle and his idea would now be B25.

    It's highly reasonable to believe that B25 (w/t SHATTERHAND) was never changed over-- and for many reasons-- but the one I subscribe to is this: although they are using what will soon be a polished script based off the Boyle script, Boyle had no title yet for the film-- thus the production announcement remains James Bond 25 (w/t SHATTERHAND).

    FWIW, the Nov. 2017 listing for Bond 25 does not say Shatterhand but the July 2018 and August 2018 ones do.

    I think-- and could be wrong-- the November '17 date was when they were developing a story with P&W.

    Then in the months leading into April/May, there was a very strong rumour EoN's production offices were opening for biz. Which would mean a new (and unannounced) script was probably near completion-- but I'd guess was green-lit at this point.

    I knew of some of this and I was excited.

    Then all of it went dead...

    I was at a loss, until--... Boyle was announced...

    So I'm thinking-- and guessing-- when this was announced, Shatterhand's title (P&W script) was released to the production site. This timeline gets log-jammed by April and May-- we know P&W was on the job and lost the job, and Boyle and Hodge were announced-- all around this late April, early May dates...
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
    Posts: 1,970
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Rumour: Production Weekly (which I understand gets its info directly from studios) is listing Bond 25's working title as 'Shatterhand'

    https://www.productionweekly.com/

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    OMG!!! If thats the title then it sound like we are for sure getting a proper YOLT adaptation
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited August 2018 Posts: 6,304
    This all makes sense and sounds pretty great, frankly.

    If they go with P&W's script, we get the YOLT adaptation that many of us have wanted for years. (The garden of death, the question room, Kissy Suzuki's name mentioned onscreen?, Bond and Blofeld in a final and decisive confrontation?).

    If they go with Hodge's script, we get something fresh and new.

    Or maybe they'll combine the two (YOLT *is* a bit light on story) and we'll get the best of both worlds...

    Perhaps they can get Paul Haggis back on the job. Pay him whatever he wants. The money is better spent on script than on the biggest explosion in cinema or whatever.
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,847
    I still say The Garden of Death is a better title then Shatterhand
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    Risico007 wrote: »
    I still say The Garden of Death is a better title then Shatterhand

    Oh yes. More evocative of an encounter.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
    Posts: 464
    echo wrote: »
    This all makes sense and sounds pretty great, frankly.

    If they go with P&W's script, we get the YOLT adaptation that many of us have wanted for years. (The garden of death, the question room, Kissy Suzuki's name mentioned onscreen?, Bond and Blofeld in a final and decisive confrontation?).

    If they go with Hodge's script, we get something fresh and new.

    Or maybe they'll combine the two (YOLT *is* a bit light on story) and we'll get the best of both worlds...

    Perhaps they can get Paul Haggis back on the job. Pay him whatever he wants. The money is better spent on script than on the biggest explosion in cinema or whatever.

    That all sounds terrific to me!
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    echo wrote: »
    This all makes sense and sounds pretty great, frankly.

    If they go with P&W's script, we get the YOLT adaptation that many of us have wanted for years. (The garden of death, the question room, Kissy Suzuki's name mentioned onscreen?, Bond and Blofeld in a final and decisive confrontation?).

    If they go with Hodge's script, we get something fresh and new.

    Or maybe they'll combine the two (YOLT *is* a bit light on story) and we'll get the best of both worlds...

    Perhaps they can get Paul Haggis back on the job. Pay him whatever he wants. The money is better spent on script than on the biggest explosion in cinema or whatever.

    I’m on board with all of this!
  • ringfire211ringfire211
    Posts: 654
    echo wrote: »
    This all makes sense and sounds pretty great, frankly.

    If they go with P&W's script, we get the YOLT adaptation that many of us have wanted for years. (The garden of death, the question room, Kissy Suzuki's name mentioned onscreen?, Bond and Blofeld in a final and decisive confrontation?).

    If they go with Hodge's script, we get something fresh and new.

    Or maybe they'll combine the two (YOLT *is* a bit light on story) and we'll get the best of both worlds...

    Perhaps they can get Paul Haggis back on the job. Pay him whatever he wants. The money is better spent on script than on the biggest explosion in cinema or whatever.
    Why are people still mentioning John Hodge’s script? Wasn’t it confirmed that Hodge is out along with Boyle? You can’t have a writer leave and then just go ahead and use his ideas. I’m sure that’s illegal and grounds for a lawsuit just begging to happen.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    Goldeneye0094 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    This all makes sense and sounds pretty great, frankly.

    If they go with P&W's script, we get the YOLT adaptation that many of us have wanted for years. (The garden of death, the question room, Kissy Suzuki's name mentioned onscreen?, Bond and Blofeld in a final and decisive confrontation?).

    If they go with Hodge's script, we get something fresh and new.

    Or maybe they'll combine the two (YOLT *is* a bit light on story) and we'll get the best of both worlds...

    Perhaps they can get Paul Haggis back on the job. Pay him whatever he wants. The money is better spent on script than on the biggest explosion in cinema or whatever.

    That all sounds terrific to me!

    It would to me too, but I don't think Paul Haggis is going to be working for a while.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/four-women-accuse-paul-haggis-sexual-misconduct-including-two-rapes-1072015

    As I've said before, I want new writers. Period. Even if it's just someone to connect Hodge's script with P & W's. Time to keep pushing forward with new people. Sorry for the negativity.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited August 2018 Posts: 6,304
    Note that these claims against Haggis haven't gone anywhere--since January. He made a lot of enemies when he criticized Scientology so publicly. (And if a writer reveals himself through his writing, I've always found his writing--from thirtysomething through CR--remarkably sensitive).

    https://deadline.com/2018/01/leah-remini-defends-paul-haggis-open-letter-sexual-assault-claims-scientology-1202243506/

    No, Eon owns Hodge's script as a writer for hire. That's the way it works.
  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
    Posts: 727
    Risico007 wrote: »
    I still say The Garden of Death is a better title then Shatterhand

    Sounds like a Tintin title.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    This all makes sense and sounds pretty great, frankly.

    If they go with P&W's script, we get the YOLT adaptation that many of us have wanted for years. (The garden of death, the question room, Kissy Suzuki's name mentioned onscreen?, Bond and Blofeld in a final and decisive confrontation?).

    If they go with Hodge's script, we get something fresh and new.

    Or maybe they'll combine the two (YOLT *is* a bit light on story) and we'll get the best of both worlds...

    Perhaps they can get Paul Haggis back on the job. Pay him whatever he wants. The money is better spent on script than on the biggest explosion in cinema or whatever.
    Why are people still mentioning John Hodge’s script? Wasn’t it confirmed that Hodge is out along with Boyle? You can’t have a writer leave and then just go ahead and use his ideas. I’m sure that’s illegal and grounds for a lawsuit just begging to happen.
    Eon may own the script; I think I’ve read they do. I sure someone around here knows.

  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    This all makes sense and sounds pretty great, frankly.

    If they go with P&W's script, we get the YOLT adaptation that many of us have wanted for years. (The garden of death, the question room, Kissy Suzuki's name mentioned onscreen?, Bond and Blofeld in a final and decisive confrontation?).

    If they go with Hodge's script, we get something fresh and new.

    Or maybe they'll combine the two (YOLT *is* a bit light on story) and we'll get the best of both worlds...

    Perhaps they can get Paul Haggis back on the job. Pay him whatever he wants. The money is better spent on script than on the biggest explosion in cinema or whatever.
    Why are people still mentioning John Hodge’s script? Wasn’t it confirmed that Hodge is out along with Boyle? You can’t have a writer leave and then just go ahead and use his ideas. I’m sure that’s illegal and grounds for a lawsuit just begging to happen.

    You’re absolutely incorrect: EoN owns Hodge’s script
  • TreefingersTreefingers Isthmus City, Republic of Isthmus
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    I was quite enthusiastic with the prospect of 'Shatterhand'... before I watched Spectre, that is.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    Treefingers wrote: »
    I was quite enthusiastic with the prospect of 'Shatterhand'... before I watched Spectre, that is.

    Sums it up for me as well.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    talos7 wrote: »
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    This all makes sense and sounds pretty great, frankly.

    If they go with P&W's script, we get the YOLT adaptation that many of us have wanted for years. (The garden of death, the question room, Kissy Suzuki's name mentioned onscreen?, Bond and Blofeld in a final and decisive confrontation?).

    If they go with Hodge's script, we get something fresh and new.

    Or maybe they'll combine the two (YOLT *is* a bit light on story) and we'll get the best of both worlds...

    Perhaps they can get Paul Haggis back on the job. Pay him whatever he wants. The money is better spent on script than on the biggest explosion in cinema or whatever.
    Why are people still mentioning John Hodge’s script? Wasn’t it confirmed that Hodge is out along with Boyle? You can’t have a writer leave and then just go ahead and use his ideas. I’m sure that’s illegal and grounds for a lawsuit just begging to happen.
    Eon may own the script; I think I’ve read they do. I sure someone around here knows.

    EoN paid Hodge for his script, it’s forever, in perpetuity, owned by EoN.

    And they can now do anything with this script.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    @peter , Thanks, I thought they owned it. I would think he would get a writer’s screen credit.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,188
    Assuming they use anything from his script, they'll have to give him credit.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    Another day without an update. Maybe tomorrow...
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Another day without an update. Maybe tomorrow...

    Hopefully, fingers crossed for something. It's been a whole week, already. Nothing from anyone involved other than a simple Tweet.
  • AlexanderWaverlyAlexanderWaverly
    Posts: 2,115
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Assuming they use anything from his script, they'll have to give him credit.

    Depends how much. Skyfall used a tiny bit of Peter Morgan's efforts, but he didn't get a credit. When there's a dispute, the Writer's Guild has arbitration.

    Example: The World Is Not Enough was originally credit to Neal Purvis and Robert Wade. the novelization only mentioned Purvis and Wade as writing the script.

    Bruce Feirstein did a rewrite and felt he deserved a credit. He took it to arbitration. Credit was changed to screenplay by Purvis, Wade and Feirstein, story by Purvis and Wade.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2018 Posts: 12,480
    @Peter, that is interesting. I am not holding my breath that Bond 25 will be called Shatterhand. Though a unique name, it will hold no meaning except to Fleming fans, those kind of Bond fans.

    Yes, you or RC7 mentioned before that EON bought the script. That is standard, I believe. It is theirs to use as they want to.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2018 Posts: 12,480
    Actually, whatever idea Boyle had and Hodge wrote up, it had EON pretty excited. I am curious. I don't know anything of it to say if I want it altered or not. But if it is changed, he will probably get some credit. You know, like Michael France getting "Story by ..." for the film, though he wrote the first screenplay draft for Goldeneye.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    Posts: 5,767
    All this mentioning of SHATTERHAND makes me think of SHATNERHAND, with Shatner as the main villain.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited August 2018 Posts: 4,343
    So now it's pretty official that B25 was (is still?) titled "Shatterhand". Interesting, but I feel that even if they keep the Purvis & Wade script the actual movie won't be titled "Shatterhand". Too corny in my opinion. Remember that QoS was titled "Sleep of the Dead" before Forster and that the title of the first "Skyfall" script by P&W (after Morgan's departure and before Logan) was "Nothing Is Forever"...

    Shatterhand is just a working title that will change when they'll find (let's pray together) a director. At this point, if they're going in this direction (Blofeld return, OHMSS+YOLT etc etc) I'd prefer "The Death Collector" over "Shatterhand"...
  • OberhauserBlofeldOberhauserBlofeld
    Posts: 18
    Could (if the casting rumour is true) Helena Bonham-Carter be playing Irma Bunt? Maybe they take Blofeld from the story, unless they are willing to recast Waltz and have her as the central antagonist.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,399
    If "Shatterhand" is too corny, then "Goldfinger", "Thunderball" and many other Bond titles are too corny. Shatterhand just feels Bondian to me, it has that Pizzazz, whereas "The Death Collector" does not. Just my opinion.
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