No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Things have gone quiet after that announcement a week ago.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Things have gone quiet after that announcement a week ago.

    That’s either a good sign, or a bad sign. I can’t determine which.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited August 2018 Posts: 6,277
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Lemme just say, if this is gonna be a 'Bond dies' film, or a 'Bond's girl gets killed- this time it's personal' movie, I'm out. But I really don't think they'd do that.
    ....right?

    I still think this is the likely fate for Madeleine Swann.
    peter wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    This all makes sense and sounds pretty great, frankly.

    If they go with P&W's script, we get the YOLT adaptation that many of us have wanted for years. (The garden of death, the question room, Kissy Suzuki's name mentioned onscreen?, Bond and Blofeld in a final and decisive confrontation?).

    If they go with Hodge's script, we get something fresh and new.

    Or maybe they'll combine the two (YOLT *is* a bit light on story) and we'll get the best of both worlds...

    Perhaps they can get Paul Haggis back on the job. Pay him whatever he wants. The money is better spent on script than on the biggest explosion in cinema or whatever.
    Why are people still mentioning John Hodge’s script? Wasn’t it confirmed that Hodge is out along with Boyle? You can’t have a writer leave and then just go ahead and use his ideas. I’m sure that’s illegal and grounds for a lawsuit just begging to happen.
    Eon may own the script; I think I’ve read they do. I sure someone around here knows.

    EoN paid Hodge for his script, it’s forever, in perpetuity, owned by EoN.

    And they can now do anything with this script.
    It doesn’t make sense then when they say that John Hodge exited the project, along with Boyle. If he exited then to me that either means he takes his script with him or he exited before finishing the script. If it’s the latter and they decide to have P&W finish Hodge’s script then obviously they have to give Hodge credit in the finished film, otherwise it’s a case of stealing someone’s work and not acknowledging their contribution.

    Thinking of this scenario I’m reminded of the whole McClory debacle. Didn’t he and Fleming and some other writers sit down and come up with some idea (not even a finished script I’m sure) and then when they tried to use those ideas for TB without giving proper credit to McClory he made a major stink about it, even though he wasn’t even part of the film production? Eventually of course they not only had to relent and make him part of the film production but had to let him produce the film. And all he did was come up with some small idea, unlike Hodge who I’m sure came up with much more.

    You're misunderstanding the situation. Hodge was Eon's employee, and the announcement is that he is not their employee any longer. They own his script because he wrote it for them.

    McClory is a totally different situation. Fleming collaborated with the others then went out and wrote a novel on his own. It was never an employer-employee relationship.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Things have gone quiet after that announcement a week ago.

    That’s either a good sign, or a bad sign. I can’t determine which.

    Me neither, Mr Biswas.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Let's hope that there is no Madeleine in this one; or any reference to SP. Remember, SHATTERHAND was the working title for TND as well. It is probably a red herring.

    "Red Herring" is a good working title for the next one.
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    the uncertainty is hard to take.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 11,425
    I'd put money on Shatterhand not being the final title even if they do go for a YOLT adaptation.

    Surely if they are going for YOLT there'd be news that Waltz was back on board?

    I just hope its all making a lot more sense to EON right now.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Getafix wrote: »
    I'd put money on Shatterhand not being the final title even if they do go for a YOLT adaptation.

    Surely if they are going for YOLT there'd be news that Waltz was back on board?

    I find it odd that other than the big casting fallout, we haven't heard anything about casting. Minor things from Waltz and Bautista, that's it. At this point, we don't even know if Ralph Fiennes will be back as M.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited August 2018 Posts: 10,591
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved while the P&W draft was being written.
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    Still holding out hope for The Property of a Lady or Risico. Shatterhand probably is just a temporary placeholder.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved as the P&W draft was being written.

    He also said that he wasn't the head of Spectre.

    https://comicbook.com/2014/12/15/christopher-waltz-says-his-character-is-not-the-head-of-spectre-/

    Look what happened.
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Still holding out hope for The Property of a Lady or Risico. Shatterhand probably is just a temporary placeholder.

    I'd go with THE PROPERTY OF A LADY, then follow it up with RISICO. I like THE HILDEBRAND RARITY as well.
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    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved while the P&W draft was being written.

    but SP clearly set things up a YOLT
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved while the P&W draft was being written.

    Just because Waltz might not return does not automatically mean Blofeld will not.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I think Waltz with a better script and different direction could deliver a strong performance.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited August 2018 Posts: 6,277
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Still holding out hope for The Property of a Lady or Risico. Shatterhand probably is just a temporary placeholder.

    Usually the placeholder is Bond 23, Bond 24, or whatever. That's why Shatterhand is a curious detail.
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    Don’t forget Blofled changes his looks through out the books so a new actor could play blofeld
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I think Waltz with a better script and different direction could deliver a strong performance.

    My thoughts exactly. Blofeld's alive for a reason.
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    peter wrote: »
    ggl007 wrote: »

    This may not be as eye-catching as the Mirror or Sun's reporting, but this sounds like the most likely scenario playing out at the moment: it's business as usual.
    Business as usual? Are you kidding me? Remind me, when was the last time the director of a Bond movie left the production just months before filming was supposed to begin?

    How much is EON paying you for these comments?
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited August 2018 Posts: 4,343
    I'm open for a Blofeld return if written correctly, but I don't see Waltz coming back. We all know that he wasn't completely happy with his performance* etc etc but things change. Who knows, they could also recast. McQuarrie brought back Solomon Lane successfully in Fallout, let's wait and see. We don't even know if the film will come out next year.

    To be honest I'd prefer a more standalone adventure and the only character that I really want to come back in a Craig 007 is Wright's Felix. It would be nice to have also Fiennes, Harris and Whishaw back, but in significantly smaller roles than the last two outings.

    *https://express.co.uk/entertainment/films/708433/Christoph-Waltz-James-Bond-villain-Blofeld-Franz-Oberhauser-Daniel-Craig
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Don’t forget Blofled changes his looks through out the books so a new actor could play blofeld

    This. If Blofeld returns, I would expect a new actor and not many references to SP.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    matt_u wrote: »
    I'm open for a Blofeld return if written correctly, but I don't see Waltz coming back. We all know that he wasn't completely happy with his performance* etc etc but things change. Who knows, they could also recast. McQuarrie brought back Solomon Lane successfully in Fallout, let's wait and see. We don't even know if the film will come out next year.

    To be honest I'd prefer a more standalone adventure and the only character that I really want to come back in a Craig 007 is Wright's Felix. It would be nice to have also Fiennes, Harris and Whishaw back, but in significantly smaller roles than the last two outings.

    *https://express.co.uk/entertainment/films/708433/Christoph-Waltz-James-Bond-villain-Blofeld-Franz-Oberhauser-Daniel-Craig
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I think Waltz with a better script and different direction could deliver a strong performance.

    My thoughts exactly. Blofeld's alive for a reason.
    Getafix wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved while the P&W draft was being written.

    but SP clearly set things up a YOLT

    I think it was how everything was written, and him having to lie about everything that he did. He probably doesn’t want to look like a hypocrite. He still deserves a second chance, with better material.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited August 2018 Posts: 8,392
    peter wrote: »
    ggl007 wrote: »

    This may not be as eye-catching as the Mirror or Sun's reporting, but this sounds like the most likely scenario playing out at the moment: it's business as usual.
    Business as usual? Are you kidding me? Remind me, when was the last time the director of a Bond movie left the production just months before filming was supposed to begin?

    How much is EON paying you for these comments?

    Yeah, no need to downplay events. This was a big thing to go wrong, so much is uncertain right now, like whether we will be getting Bond 25 this decade or next. Certainly not business as usual, anyway.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved as the P&W draft was being written.

    He also said that he wasn't the head of Spectre.

    https://comicbook.com/2014/12/15/christopher-waltz-says-his-character-is-not-the-head-of-spectre-/

    Look what happened.
    Denying that you're playing a certain character is very different from denying your involvement altogether.

    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved while the P&W draft was being written.

    Just because Waltz might not return does not automatically mean Blofeld will not.
    It most certainly does. If the film is a follow up to SP then they 100% won't recast.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Mark Strong as Blofeld
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Mark Strong as Blofeld

    Once again, my thoughts exactly. Someone who REALLY needs to be in a 007 film.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited August 2018 Posts: 8,392
    jake24 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved as the P&W draft was being written.

    He also said that he wasn't the head of Spectre.

    https://comicbook.com/2014/12/15/christopher-waltz-says-his-character-is-not-the-head-of-spectre-/

    Look what happened.
    Denying that you're playing a certain character is very different from denying your involvement altogether.

    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved while the P&W draft was being written.

    Just because Waltz might not return does not automatically mean Blofeld will not.
    It most certainly does. If the film is a follow up to SP then they 100% won't recast.

    Ofcourse, it's not like this is something the franchise has done many times before.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited August 2018 Posts: 4,343
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Don’t forget Blofled changes his looks through out the books so a new actor could play blofeld

    True, but if I recall correctly YOLT's Blofeld is the same OHMSS's Blofeld. He only changes his hair and he's bulkier. In fact, Bond recognizes him in a picture. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    BTW a recast is not the end of the world. But after Spectre, where they tied up all Craig's movies plus the brother angle, it would have been weird to see Blofeld played by a new actor. At least to me.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    SP, though successful, was a 25% drop in return from SF. I doubt that they will be revisiting that scenario. Lower returns almost always equal big change with EON (OHMSS to DAF, LTK to GE).

    I doubt Blofeld / SPECTRE will return. Just saying, in the off chance that they do, I don't think Waltz would return, or much of the SP film would be that involved. I'm fairly confident we will get a more standalone-type outing like CR or SF (they still can count as standalones too - just ignore the dumb SP retconning).
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    jake24 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved as the P&W draft was being written.

    He also said that he wasn't the head of Spectre.

    https://comicbook.com/2014/12/15/christopher-waltz-says-his-character-is-not-the-head-of-spectre-/

    Look what happened.
    Denying that you're playing a certain character is very different from denying your involvement altogether.

    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved while the P&W draft was being written.

    Just because Waltz might not return does not automatically mean Blofeld will not.
    It most certainly does. If the film is a follow up to SP then they 100% won't recast.

    Ofcourse, it's not like this is something the franchise has done many times before.
    It's not like the Craig era is one continuous arc as opposed to individual stand-alones...
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