No Time To Die: Production Diary

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    Or in Eons case it should be called " Shat on their hands" the way this balls up has materialised.
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    echo wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Lemme just say, if this is gonna be a 'Bond dies' film, or a 'Bond's girl gets killed- this time it's personal' movie, I'm out. But I really don't think they'd do that.
    ....right?

    I still think this is the likely fate for Madeleine Swann.
    peter wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    This all makes sense and sounds pretty great, frankly.

    If they go with P&W's script, we get the YOLT adaptation that many of us have wanted for years. (The garden of death, the question room, Kissy Suzuki's name mentioned onscreen?, Bond and Blofeld in a final and decisive confrontation?).

    If they go with Hodge's script, we get something fresh and new.

    Or maybe they'll combine the two (YOLT *is* a bit light on story) and we'll get the best of both worlds...

    Perhaps they can get Paul Haggis back on the job. Pay him whatever he wants. The money is better spent on script than on the biggest explosion in cinema or whatever.
    Why are people still mentioning John Hodge’s script? Wasn’t it confirmed that Hodge is out along with Boyle? You can’t have a writer leave and then just go ahead and use his ideas. I’m sure that’s illegal and grounds for a lawsuit just begging to happen.
    Eon may own the script; I think I’ve read they do. I sure someone around here knows.

    EoN paid Hodge for his script, it’s forever, in perpetuity, owned by EoN.

    And they can now do anything with this script.
    It doesn’t make sense then when they say that John Hodge exited the project, along with Boyle. If he exited then to me that either means he takes his script with him or he exited before finishing the script. If it’s the latter and they decide to have P&W finish Hodge’s script then obviously they have to give Hodge credit in the finished film, otherwise it’s a case of stealing someone’s work and not acknowledging their contribution.

    Thinking of this scenario I’m reminded of the whole McClory debacle. Didn’t he and Fleming and some other writers sit down and come up with some idea (not even a finished script I’m sure) and then when they tried to use those ideas for TB without giving proper credit to McClory he made a major stink about it, even though he wasn’t even part of the film production? Eventually of course they not only had to relent and make him part of the film production but had to let him produce the film. And all he did was come up with some small idea, unlike Hodge who I’m sure came up with much more.

    You're misunderstanding the situation. Hodge was Eon's employee, and the announcement is that he is not their employee any longer. They own his script because he wrote it for them.

    McClory is a totally different situation. Fleming collaborated with the others then went out and wrote a novel on his own. It was never an employer-employee relationship.

    It could be possible that Hodge still posses Moral IP Rights, which would give him a degree of control over commercial exploitation should he think there was a risk of damage to his reputation. Maybe it was the stumbling block that led to Hodge and Boyle walking away, if Hodge objected to EON 'interpreting' his script
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved as the P&W draft was being written.

    He also said that he wasn't the head of Spectre.

    https://comicbook.com/2014/12/15/christopher-waltz-says-his-character-is-not-the-head-of-spectre-/

    Look what happened.
    Denying that you're playing a certain character is very different from denying your involvement altogether.

    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved while the P&W draft was being written.

    Just because Waltz might not return does not automatically mean Blofeld will not.
    It most certainly does. If the film is a follow up to SP then they 100% won't recast.

    Ofcourse, it's not like this is something the franchise has done many times before.
    It's not like the Craig era is one continuous arc as opposed to individual stand-alones...

    Exactly one continuous arc which lead to Blofeld. If Blofeld and Madeline isn't in Bond 25, then its standalone, not continuous...
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    'Shatterhand' can't be the new title as it isn't in alphabetic sequence:
    CR
    QoS
    Skyfall
    Spectre
    Shatterhand
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved as the P&W draft was being written.

    He also said that he wasn't the head of Spectre.

    https://comicbook.com/2014/12/15/christopher-waltz-says-his-character-is-not-the-head-of-spectre-/

    Look what happened.
    Denying that you're playing a certain character is very different from denying your involvement altogether.

    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved while the P&W draft was being written.

    Just because Waltz might not return does not automatically mean Blofeld will not.
    It most certainly does. If the film is a follow up to SP then they 100% won't recast.

    Ofcourse, it's not like this is something the franchise has done many times before.
    It's not like the Craig era is one continuous arc as opposed to individual stand-alones...

    Exactly one continuous arc which lead to Blofeld. If Blofeld and Madeline isn't in Bond 25, then its standalone, not continuous...
    I fully agree, which is why I think it would be highly questionable and bizarre if they recast the role.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved as the P&W draft was being written.

    He also said that he wasn't the head of Spectre.

    https://comicbook.com/2014/12/15/christopher-waltz-says-his-character-is-not-the-head-of-spectre-/

    Look what happened.
    Denying that you're playing a certain character is very different from denying your involvement altogether.

    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved while the P&W draft was being written.

    Just because Waltz might not return does not automatically mean Blofeld will not.
    It most certainly does. If the film is a follow up to SP then they 100% won't recast.

    Ofcourse, it's not like this is something the franchise has done many times before.
    It's not like the Craig era is one continuous arc as opposed to individual stand-alones...

    Exactly one continuous arc which lead to Blofeld. If Blofeld and Madeline isn't in Bond 25, then its standalone, not continuous...
    I fully agree, which is why I think it would be highly questionable and bizarre if they recast the role.

    Why?
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    I really don't mind if B25 it's gonna be a 100% standalone picture from a narrative standpoint. Even if QoS is a direct CR sequel and Spectre tied together all Craig's movies, I love the fact that in the end every movie has a peculiar strong identity, both from a visual point of view both thematical. They all look different, even if they take place in the same universe, which is something I love in the Craig era.
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    I guess you could look at Craig's 4 films as an arc, but to me it seems like SF at least was created as its own thing at the time it came out (pre-SP retconning that is). Also, CR being the first, still works as a standalone. Even QoS, while using some familiar faces and picking up right after CR, doesn't constantly call back to CR or require it to understand the new plot/villains. SP is the only one that really made me feel like they wanted a continuous arc/story for Craig's Bond, and it wasn't executed particularly well.

    We get to see a different side to Craig's Bond in each of the movies, and maybe there's something of an arc of him fully becoming "James Bond" (the classic one from the old movies), but I think the first 3 at least work pretty well on their own as well. SP's retconning served no purpose other than to make its plot/villain feel more big and tie together Craig's previous films (needlessly).
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited August 2018 Posts: 10,591
    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved as the P&W draft was being written.

    He also said that he wasn't the head of Spectre.

    https://comicbook.com/2014/12/15/christopher-waltz-says-his-character-is-not-the-head-of-spectre-/

    Look what happened.
    Denying that you're playing a certain character is very different from denying your involvement altogether.

    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved while the P&W draft was being written.

    Just because Waltz might not return does not automatically mean Blofeld will not.
    It most certainly does. If the film is a follow up to SP then they 100% won't recast.

    Ofcourse, it's not like this is something the franchise has done many times before.
    It's not like the Craig era is one continuous arc as opposed to individual stand-alones...

    Exactly one continuous arc which lead to Blofeld. If Blofeld and Madeline isn't in Bond 25, then its standalone, not continuous...
    I fully agree, which is why I think it would be highly questionable and bizarre if they recast the role.

    Why?
    Because of the point you just made. If Craig's entire arc lead to Waltz's Blofeld then why on earth would the character return in a stand alone played by a completely different face, in the same era?

    If Blofeld does indeed return, he'll be played by Waltz in a follow-up to SP (highly unlikely IMO) or Blofeld won't make another appearance in a Bond film for quite some time.


    @FoxRox I agree. But like it or not the four films are connected.
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    @jake24 To an extent, they are. Still, I think many blow it out of proportion just how connected they are, like they can't be viewed individually whatsoever.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    @jake24 To an extent, they are. Still, I think many blow it out of proportion just how connected they are, like they can't be viewed individually whatsoever.
    The retconning was done quite poorly and vaguely, so the connections are definitely left up to interpretation for the most part (which is a good thing, I suppose?).
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Because of the point you just made. If Craig's entire arc lead to Waltz's Blofeld then why on earth would the character return in a stand alone played by a completely different face, in the same era?
    I
    If Blofeld does indeed return, he'll be played by Waltz in a follow-up to SP (highly unlikely IMO) or Blofeld won't make another appearance in a Bond film for quite some time.

    If Waltz isn't returning, then Bond 25 is likely a standalone story, so why is it a problem if someone else plays the character? They did this many times during the sixties and seventies.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    jake24 wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    @jake24 To an extent, they are. Still, I think many blow it out of proportion just how connected they are, like they can't be viewed individually whatsoever.
    The retconning was done quite poorly and vaguely, so the connections are definitely left up to interpretation for the most part (which is a good thing, I suppose?).
    The retcon has certainly impacted my enjoyment of the earlier entries. SF is perhaps the only one I still can enjoy without thinking of the connections, and that's why it's fast becoming my favourite Craig entry, while CR is declining. Each time I watch it I am reminded of SP, primarily due to Mr. White and his 'organization'. Shame really.
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    @jake24 The vagueness is definitely a good thing. My own interpretation is simply that SPECTRE bankrolled the Quantum organization and Silva to carry out their own operations, and Blofeld's whole "author of all your pain" attitude was him taking too much direct credit.

    @bondjames I don't let the connections ruin the previous entries for me. It is a vague retcon after all, and really, if you think about it, Craig's 4 films aren't connected much more than Connery's 5 SPECTRE EON films. But yes, the retcon itself was vague and poor.

  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited August 2018 Posts: 10,591
    jake24 wrote: »
    Because of the point you just made. If Craig's entire arc lead to Waltz's Blofeld then why on earth would the character return in a stand alone played by a completely different face, in the same era?
    I
    If Blofeld does indeed return, he'll be played by Waltz in a follow-up to SP (highly unlikely IMO) or Blofeld won't make another appearance in a Bond film for quite some time.

    If Waltz isn't returning, then Bond 25 is likely a standalone story, so why is it a problem if someone else plays the character? They did this many times during the sixties and seventies.
    With different actors, mate. Two separate incarnations of Blofeld within the same era, an era with a continuous story arc, would be jarring as hell.

    Although SF was meant as a standalone at the time, it was made so that it could very well fit into the same universe as Craig's previous two entries (note Bond's "I know when a woman is afraid and pretending not to be"). I'd imagine B25 would be made in a similar fashion, but having another version of Blofeld would not only disconnect the film from the previous four, but be extremely contradictory as well. As if the events that took place between CR to SP had never happened.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited August 2018 Posts: 4,343
    bondjames wrote: »
    Each time I watch it I am reminded of SP, primarily due to Mr. White and his 'organization'. Shame really.

    To me, it's exactly the opposite. After Spectre I found re-watching CR (and its sequel) as an even richer experience...
    jake24 wrote: »
    With different actors, mate. Two separate incarnations of Blofeld within the same era, an era with a continuous story arc, would be jarring as hell.

    Although SF was meant as a standalone at the time, it was made so that it could very well fit into the same universe as Craig's previous two entries. I'd imagine B25 would be made in a similar fashion, but having another version of Blofeld would not only disconnect the film from the previous four, but be extremely contradictory as well. As if the events that took place between CR to SP had never happened.

    Exactly.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883
    FoxRox wrote: »
    @bondjames I don't let the connections ruin the previous entries for me. It is a vague retcon after all, and really, if you think about it, Craig's 4 films aren't connected much more than Connery's 5 SPECTRE EON films. But yes, the retcon itself was vague and poor.
    I don't think it needs to ruin anything @FoxRox. I can see how it wouldn't for others. Sadly, it does for me. This is a bit different from the Connery era. Firstly, the tone of the films are different. The Connery ones were far more escapist in tone, which allows a suspension of disbelief with different actors playing the same part and what not - similar to how we can be more forgiving of a comic book adaptation or the Kingsman films.

    The Craig films in contrast are rooted in a harder reality. If they want us to believe something, we generally do because that's the tone. They went out of their way to hammer home that connection in SP (including the infamous hanging photos). What can I say - it worked, sadly.

    As I said, it's White that poses the biggest problems for me these days. If he wasn't in CR I would enjoy the film far more but he is a large presence (even if his screen time is limited) in CR, QoS and SP, and this is what pulls those films together.

    As you said, SF is still the pure standalone, despite attempts to connect it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Because of the point you just made. If Craig's entire arc lead to Waltz's Blofeld then why on earth would the character return in a stand alone played by a completely different face, in the same era?
    I
    If Blofeld does indeed return, he'll be played by Waltz in a follow-up to SP (highly unlikely IMO) or Blofeld won't make another appearance in a Bond film for quite some time.

    If Waltz isn't returning, then Bond 25 is likely a standalone story, so why is it a problem if someone else plays the character? They did this many times during the sixties and seventies.
    With different actors, mate

    Blofeld was played by many different actors during Connery's tenure. It wasn't a strick one Blofeld per Bond rule before, so why now? If Bond 25 is a standalone film, unconnected to the rest, there's no reason why we can't have a standalone Blofeld, just like they used to do in the past.
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    SF is the most standalone for sure, and retconning Silva as a SPECTRE agent was my single least favorite part of all the retconning. Just doesn’t really line up, which is why I imagine at least there was almost no real direct connection between Blofed and Silva beyond Blofed supplying him or whatever. The different actors part for Connery’s does help a bit; I just choose to treat the retcon very loosely (which it is) and not be too bothered by it. SP itself and alone, IMO, is the only one weaker for it.
  • RC7RC7
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    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Because of the point you just made. If Craig's entire arc lead to Waltz's Blofeld then why on earth would the character return in a stand alone played by a completely different face, in the same era?
    I
    If Blofeld does indeed return, he'll be played by Waltz in a follow-up to SP (highly unlikely IMO) or Blofeld won't make another appearance in a Bond film for quite some time.

    If Waltz isn't returning, then Bond 25 is likely a standalone story, so why is it a problem if someone else plays the character? They did this many times during the sixties and seventies.
    With different actors, mate

    Blofeld was played by many different actors during Connery's tenure. It wasn't a strick one Blofeld per Bond rule before, so why now? If Bond 25 is a standalone film, unconnected to the rest, there's no reason why we can't have a standalone Blofeld, just like they used to do in the past.

    It’s slightly more unlikely, I think, but not impossible. It’s also worth remembering Blofeld looks significantly different in each of the three Fleming novels. I don’t think they’d cast a ‘different’ Blofeld, but tapping into his shape-shifting nature could work if done effectively. Casting an actor who isn’t a ‘big name’, would go some way to achieving that.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Because of the point you just made. If Craig's entire arc lead to Waltz's Blofeld then why on earth would the character return in a stand alone played by a completely different face, in the same era?
    I
    If Blofeld does indeed return, he'll be played by Waltz in a follow-up to SP (highly unlikely IMO) or Blofeld won't make another appearance in a Bond film for quite some time.

    If Waltz isn't returning, then Bond 25 is likely a standalone story, so why is it a problem if someone else plays the character? They did this many times during the sixties and seventies.
    With different actors, mate

    Blofeld was played by many different actors during Connery's tenure. It wasn't a strick one Blofeld per Bond rule before, so why now? If Bond 25 is a standalone film, unconnected to the rest, there's no reason why we can't have a standalone Blofeld, just like they used to do in the past.
    The same reason as previously stated. Continuity. Connery's films were standalone (FRWL aside). B25 could very well be "standalone", but having another version of Blofeld would be contradictory to the first four films in Craig's tenure. Like I said, SF was meant to be standalone but could easily fit into the universe of CR and QoS. B25 would be doing the opposite of that and I really don't see that happening.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    jake24 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved as the P&W draft was being written.

    He also said that he wasn't the head of Spectre.

    https://comicbook.com/2014/12/15/christopher-waltz-says-his-character-is-not-the-head-of-spectre-/

    Look what happened.
    Denying that you're playing a certain character is very different from denying your involvement altogether.

    Sam Smith also denied he was involved in SPECTRE and his friend Ellie Goulding even tweeted "Live and Let Die" to send us off track.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Because of the point you just made. If Craig's entire arc lead to Waltz's Blofeld then why on earth would the character return in a stand alone played by a completely different face, in the same era?
    I
    If Blofeld does indeed return, he'll be played by Waltz in a follow-up to SP (highly unlikely IMO) or Blofeld won't make another appearance in a Bond film for quite some time.

    If Waltz isn't returning, then Bond 25 is likely a standalone story, so why is it a problem if someone else plays the character? They did this many times during the sixties and seventies.
    With different actors, mate

    Blofeld was played by many different actors during Connery's tenure. It wasn't a strick one Blofeld per Bond rule before, so why now? If Bond 25 is a standalone film, unconnected to the rest, there's no reason why we can't have a standalone Blofeld, just like they used to do in the past.
    The same reason as previously stated. Continuity. Connery's films were standalone (FRWL aside). B25 could very well be "standalone", but having another version of Blofeld would be contradictory to the first four films in Craig's tenure. Like I said, SF was meant to be standalone but could easily fit into the universe of CR and QoS. B25 would be doing the opposite of that and I really don't see that happening.

    But the benefit of a standalone film is that it doesn't need to fit with a larger continuity, a standalone by definitition cannot contradict previous installments.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Walecs wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I highly doubt a YOLT adaptation was ever in the cards, as Waltz confirmed he wasn't going to be involved as the P&W draft was being written.

    He also said that he wasn't the head of Spectre.

    https://comicbook.com/2014/12/15/christopher-waltz-says-his-character-is-not-the-head-of-spectre-/

    Look what happened.
    Denying that you're playing a certain character is very different from denying your involvement altogether.

    Sam Smith also denied he was involved in SPECTRE and his friend Ellie Goulding even tweeted "Live and Let Die" to send us off track.
    It'd be different if it was a cameo role, but I'm sure that if Waltz was to return he'd have a pretty sizeable role. And if it were hidden from fans and the press then that would be sure to change when set photos inevitably leak out.

    The title artist denying involvment is quite different than a lead actor doing the same thing.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Because of the point you just made. If Craig's entire arc lead to Waltz's Blofeld then why on earth would the character return in a stand alone played by a completely different face, in the same era?
    I
    If Blofeld does indeed return, he'll be played by Waltz in a follow-up to SP (highly unlikely IMO) or Blofeld won't make another appearance in a Bond film for quite some time.

    If Waltz isn't returning, then Bond 25 is likely a standalone story, so why is it a problem if someone else plays the character? They did this many times during the sixties and seventies.
    With different actors, mate

    Blofeld was played by many different actors during Connery's tenure. It wasn't a strick one Blofeld per Bond rule before, so why now? If Bond 25 is a standalone film, unconnected to the rest, there's no reason why we can't have a standalone Blofeld, just like they used to do in the past.
    The same reason as previously stated. Continuity. Connery's films were standalone (FRWL aside). B25 could very well be "standalone", but having another version of Blofeld would be contradictory to the first four films in Craig's tenure. Like I said, SF was meant to be standalone but could easily fit into the universe of CR and QoS. B25 would be doing the opposite of that and I really don't see that happening.

    But the benefit of a standalone film is that it doesn't need to fit with a larger continuity, a standalone by definitition cannot contradict previous installments.
    And that is exactly why a seperate incarnation of Blofeld in B25 is extremely unlikely.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    If Waltz returns, will he still deny he is playing Blofeld?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Because of the point you just made. If Craig's entire arc lead to Waltz's Blofeld then why on earth would the character return in a stand alone played by a completely different face, in the same era?
    I
    If Blofeld does indeed return, he'll be played by Waltz in a follow-up to SP (highly unlikely IMO) or Blofeld won't make another appearance in a Bond film for quite some time.

    If Waltz isn't returning, then Bond 25 is likely a standalone story, so why is it a problem if someone else plays the character? They did this many times during the sixties and seventies.
    With different actors, mate

    Blofeld was played by many different actors during Connery's tenure. It wasn't a strick one Blofeld per Bond rule before, so why now? If Bond 25 is a standalone film, unconnected to the rest, there's no reason why we can't have a standalone Blofeld, just like they used to do in the past.
    The same reason as previously stated. Continuity. Connery's films were standalone (FRWL aside). B25 could very well be "standalone", but having another version of Blofeld would be contradictory to the first four films in Craig's tenure. Like I said, SF was meant to be standalone but could easily fit into the universe of CR and QoS. B25 would be doing the opposite of that and I really don't see that happening.

    But the benefit of a standalone film is that it doesn't need to fit with a larger continuity, a standalone by definitition cannot contradict previous installments.
    And that is exactly why a seperate incarnation of Blofeld in B25 is extremely unlikely.

    It's exactly why there is no reason Blofeld couldn't show up in a different form. There were multiple Blofelds that faced the same Bond actor in the past, so there's no reason why we couldn't see a standalone film with a different Blofeld now.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    QQ7 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    That "The Writing's on the Wall" song is abominable. It's one of the reasons I don't rewatch SP that often. I really, really hate that song. In comparison, I love Madonna's Die Another Day and Lulu's The Man with the Golden Gun, and that is saying a lot. Please no more falsetto crap. Last time I loved a Bond song was Dame Shirley Bassey's Quantum of Solace ;)
    Although I really liked Adele's Skyfall. Really.

    Weak tbh. On the other hand I can't bealive that they have turned down this masterpiece.


    I'm glad they did, I'd rather that dreadful film not have a theme by one of my favourite bands, their theme was in another class to Smith's awful wailing rubbish.

    To be honest RH were on the job first and their first submission called Man of War would have been one of the best Bond themes in years, it had such a Bondian feel. Although it got rejected as it wouldn't have been eligible for an Oscar as the band had been playing it live for many years before.

    The finished Man of War now exists on the OK Computer 20th Anniversary release



    Although like I say I'm glad their work is not attached to such a film, SPECTRE got the song it deserved.

    Hopefully Bond 25 will have some quality although I think it's more likely that Ed Sheeran will be doing it as EON are now obsessed with having big commercial hits, I'm prepared for it, as long as the film is great I'll live with it.

    Would love to see something of high quality but I don't see, the late great Chris Cornell's collaboration with David Arnold is still the high watermark of the DC era in my view.
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    if blofeld returns it has to be YOLT. can't see them using the character again in a way unconnected to SP. in the context of the Craig narrative arc that would be odd.

    B25 could still be a sort of standalone but in doubt they'd treat it as totally separate. there'd be some sort continuity at the very least.
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    Because of the point you just made. If Craig's entire arc lead to Waltz's Blofeld then why on earth would the character return in a stand alone played by a completely different face, in the same era?
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    If Blofeld does indeed return, he'll be played by Waltz in a follow-up to SP (highly unlikely IMO) or Blofeld won't make another appearance in a Bond film for quite some time.

    If Waltz isn't returning, then Bond 25 is likely a standalone story, so why is it a problem if someone else plays the character? They did this many times during the sixties and seventies.
    With different actors, mate

    Blofeld was played by many different actors during Connery's tenure. It wasn't a strick one Blofeld per Bond rule before, so why now? If Bond 25 is a standalone film, unconnected to the rest, there's no reason why we can't have a standalone Blofeld, just like they used to do in the past.
    The same reason as previously stated. Continuity. Connery's films were standalone (FRWL aside). B25 could very well be "standalone", but having another version of Blofeld would be contradictory to the first four films in Craig's tenure. Like I said, SF was meant to be standalone but could easily fit into the universe of CR and QoS. B25 would be doing the opposite of that and I really don't see that happening.

    But the benefit of a standalone film is that it doesn't need to fit with a larger continuity, a standalone by definitition cannot contradict previous installments.
    And that is exactly why a seperate incarnation of Blofeld in B25 is extremely unlikely.

    It's exactly why there is no reason Blofeld couldn't show up in a different form. There were multiple Blofelds that faced the same Bond actor in the past, so there's no reason why we couldn't see a standalone film with a different Blofeld now.
    I've already explained myself so I see no reason to keep debating this. Two different Blofelds in an era with continuity is bizarre and contradictory.
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