No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    No more Raiders v FYEO in this thread please.
  • kg54mvpkg54mvp USA
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    This all sounds like a chaotic mess..and of course here I am trying to make any kind of positive spin off of any of this..
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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  • matt_u wrote: »
    It seems the Danny Boyle situation has made other studios re-plot their schedules. The new Terminator movie has moved dates in November 2019 to get a more comfortable window now that Bond 25 has been delayed

    https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3518668/terminator-time-travels-earlier-date/

    Bond and Terminator both appeal to a very similar demographic, so there is a chance that this is Paramount's attempt to capitalise on Universal's loss.

    I have the terrible feeling that at Paramount someone knows something we don't know yet...

    Probably David Ellison (writer/producer) of new TERMINATOR film he is the
    Brother of Megan Ellison, founder of Annapurna Pictures.



  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    matt_u wrote: »
    It seems the Danny Boyle situation has made other studios re-plot their schedules. The new Terminator movie has moved dates in November 2019 to get a more comfortable window now that Bond 25 has been delayed

    https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3518668/terminator-time-travels-earlier-date/

    Bond and Terminator both appeal to a very similar demographic, so there is a chance that this is Paramount's attempt to capitalise on Universal's loss.

    I have the terrible feeling that at Paramount someone knows something we don't know yet...

    Probably David Ellison (writer/producer) of new TERMINATOR film he is the
    Brother of Megan Ellison, founder of Annapurna Pictures.
    Very interesting. He probably does know something.
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    bondjames wrote: »

    Nice attempt to stretch the media coverage for another few days.
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    Even not knowing the particulars, this russian villain and mahori henchman sounds very cliché and kitsch. It does nothing for my excitement for this film, really. This all mess just doesn't have a discernible good angle to it. None. That we know of, of course.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Univex wrote: »
    Even not knowing the particulars, this russian villain and mahori henchman sounds very cliché and kitsch. It does nothing for my excitement for this film, really.
    I agree and am glad I'm not the only one who felt that way. When the news first broke about that on this site I had a head shake moment. I suppose it all comes down to how it's done, but I found it slightly unappealing, at least at initial face value.
  • Risico007 wrote: »
    The last time we had a one person writing a bond film it was Moonraker so uhm yeah not saying Hodge was going to hodgepodge it up (see what I did there) and give us Moonraker 2.0 but having another set of eyes is not the worst thing in the world.

    Even then, it wasn't just one person. Mankiewicz helped plot it out, but didn't take a credit.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    This all sounds simple to me eon wanted to bring in other writers to polish hodge's script Boyle didn't want that felt like he didn't have enough artistic freedom so he decided to walk away and so did hodge so if eon find a director in time and they bring on other writers weather it be purvis and wade or another writer than the film can still be released on time
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Even not knowing the particulars, this russian villain and mahori henchman sounds very cliché and kitsch. It does nothing for my excitement for this film, really.
    I agree and am glad I'm not the only one who felt that way. When the news first broke about that on this site I had a head shake moment. I suppose it all comes down to how it's done, but I found it slightly unappealing, at least at initial face value.

    As I said at the time you wonder whether some of the recent directors and writers have watched the Brosnan movies (I am sympathetic if they hadn't). The Maori henchman just made me think of DAD. But as Mendes with bringing back the DB5 for the umpteenth time in SF, Boyle seemed to be under the impression that this was an original idea.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Getafix wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Even not knowing the particulars, this russian villain and mahori henchman sounds very cliché and kitsch. It does nothing for my excitement for this film, really.
    I agree and am glad I'm not the only one who felt that way. When the news first broke about that on this site I had a head shake moment. I suppose it all comes down to how it's done, but I found it slightly unappealing, at least at initial face value.

    As I said at the time you wonder whether some of the recent directors and writers have watched the Brosnan movies (I am sympathetic if they hadn't). The Maori henchman just made me think of DAD. But as Mendes with bringing back the DB5 for the umpteenth time in SF, Boyle seemed to be under the impression that this was an original idea.

    I get what you're saying. But the truly original idea is how does the director show off an original idea, from a common cliche.
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    Not been here for ages, but I do dip in and see the posts every now and again. So I thought I'd pass on some knowledge which you can take or leave.

    Boyle jumped ship for a number of reasons. Yes, Eon wanted to bring on another writer, which is very standard practice, especially on big budget franchise films. Boyle wanted to keep the budget as tight as possible, but of course that meant a strain on the action scenes - Boyle, apparently, favoured less action, and I suspect the studio and Eon were not completely comfortable with that - SF is relatively light on action, but it does have a full-on pre-title action sequence, a mid-section London Underground action/chase sequence, and an explosive climax. Boyle nearly always pushes to cast relative unknowns - just take a look at his films - for example he cast a TV soap actor in the Beetles film, but Universal balanced that out by asking him to cast a more well known female lead, which he did. So on Bond there was certainly deep discussions and probably disagreements (between all parties) on casting - again, this very, very standard on almost any film or TV show.

    As for Craig. I'd like to say, personally knowing crew (friends and associates of mine) who have worked with Craig on his Bond films and also Layer Cake, he is highly regarded and respected for being very professional and committed and NOT, I stress - NOT - a prima donna as a few on this forum have suggested. However, he takes his job very seriously and he is the lead actor, with 4 Bond films under his belt so far, and so he knows his take on the character and his own strengths as an actor - and this is true of many lead actors, male or female. Wise producers and directors - and, for that matter, writers, carefully listen to a lead actor's (or any other main cast members') opinions and ideas, and, all being well, take their thoughts - sometimes their demands - onboard. Established lead actors have always had the power to challenge or question their producers, writers, and directors - Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, Richard Widmark, Dustin Hoffman, Steve McQueen (very hard to handle), Robert Shaw, Sean Connery, Jessica Lang, George C. Scott, Robert Downey Jr. (you want to see a list of demands!!!), George Clooney (yes charming, but he fights his corner), the list goes on and on. (Some may want to claim Craig is not an A list actor, but in the film industry that's what he is - he's Bond, and that means something.) Craig is doing his job.

    Filmmaking is a highly creative process, frequently very intense and very pressurised, and so artistic, even personal, clashes come with territory. Over and out.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    What'd you know about anything, @ColonelSun

    (wink)
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 3,333
    Thanks @ColonelSun for your post and thoughts. I’m sure that I speak for the vast majority of genuine Bond fans around here and say that you’ve been solely missed on these discussion threads. Good to see you return, my friend. I just hope it’s not too brief a visit.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    bondsum wrote: »
    Thanks @ColonelSun for your post and thoughts. I’m sure that I speak for the vast majority of genuine Bond fans around here and say that you’ve been solely missed on these discussion threads. Good to see you return, my friend. I just hope it’s not too brief a visit.

    Agreed, @ColonelSun -- although, I'm happy to call you a friend and chat with you frequently about Bond and Beyond-- I've told you this before: you truly are missed.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
    edited August 2018 Posts: 575
    Thanks @ColonelSun for providing us with some context to Boyle's decision. If there is any positive to take away from this whole event it's that Daniel and EON are protective of their vision for Bond and will not compromise that. If based on that understanding alone I am excited to see how the decide to end Daniel's run as Bond.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Great to see you, @ColonelSun
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    @ColonelSun thank you for bringing some sanity back to this thread!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    @ColonelSun thank you for bringing some sanity back to this thread!

    Relax, the absurdities will soon start flying again.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @ColonelSun thank you for bringing some sanity back to this thread!

    Relax, the absurdities will soon start flying again.

    And, sadly, that's what @ColonelSun expects to happen.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Wait, so people are surprised Craig is acting like a diva? Ha, ha.

    Because he has a history of it? Please enlighten us. Give us some examples.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Just re-direct him to @ColonelSun's very sober post. It's nice that it's brought momentary peace to this thread.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Business as usual then. ;) What a relief.

    I fully expect to be in a theatre on November 8, 2019, popcorn in hand, anxiously awaiting Craig to come walking out for the gunbarrel at the start of the film, after MGM 's (and Universal's) logo displays. Can't wait.
  • SkyfallCraigSkyfallCraig Rome, Italy
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    @ColonelSun do you have some insights on the director choice? are they close? are they going to announce something soon? are they completely in the dark?
  • RC7RC7
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    ColonelSun wrote: »
    Not been here for ages, but I do dip in and see the posts every now and again. So I thought I'd pass on some knowledge which you can take or leave.

    Boyle jumped ship for a number of reasons. Yes, Eon wanted to bring on another writer, which is very standard practice, especially on big budget franchise films. Boyle wanted to keep the budget as tight as possible, but of course that meant a strain on the action scenes - Boyle, apparently, favoured less action, and I suspect the studio and Eon were not completely comfortable with that - SF is relatively light on action, but it does have a full-on pre-title action sequence, a mid-section London Underground action/chase sequence, and an explosive climax. Boyle nearly always pushes to cast relative unknowns - just take a look at his films - for example he cast a TV soap actor in the Beetles film, but Universal balanced that out by asking him to cast a more well known female lead, which he did. So on Bond there was certainly deep discussions and probably disagreements (between all parties) on casting - again, this very, very standard on almost any film or TV show.

    As for Craig. I'd like to say, personally knowing crew (friends and associates of mine) who have worked with Craig on his Bond films and also Layer Cake, he is highly regarded and respected for being very professional and committed and NOT, I stress - NOT - a prima donna as a few on this forum have suggested. However, he takes his job very seriously and he is the lead actor, with 4 Bond films under his belt so far, and so he knows his take on the character and his own strengths as an actor - and this is true of many lead actors, male or female. Wise producers and directors - and, for that matter, writers, carefully listen to a lead actor's (or any other main cast members') opinions and ideas, and, all being well, take their thoughts - sometimes their demands - onboard. Established lead actors have always had the power to challenge or question their producers, writers, and directors - Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, Richard Widmark, Dustin Hoffman, Steve McQueen (very hard to handle), Robert Shaw, Sean Connery, Jessica Lang, George C. Scott, Robert Downey Jr. (you want to see a list of demands!!!), George Clooney (yes charming, but he fights his corner), the list goes on and on. (Some may want to claim Craig is not an A list actor, but in the film industry that's what he is - he's Bond, and that means something.) Craig is doing his job.

    Filmmaking is a highly creative process, frequently very intense and very pressurised, and so artistic, even personal, clashes come with territory. Over and out.

    Great post.

    Sadly, I fear it will not suppress the rabble venting their collective spleens when they get home from school.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Well said, @ColonelSun
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 4,619
    peter wrote: »
    Bingo. Deadline already reported that rival companies have been dropping their “sources” to the media. It’s all an industry game.
    No, they haven't. Get your facts straight. They wrote "Speculation is high that Bond 25 has moved off its release date after Danny Boyle’s exit, but sources tell Deadline it might be wishful thinking by rival distributors." [ * ]

    BTW, didn't someone in this thread post recently that it's a well known fact that the guy who wrote that deadline article (Mike Fleming Jr) gets his Bond rumors straight from EON? :))
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    "but sources tell Deadline it might be wishful thinking by rival distributors."

    It's all industry games. And calm down.

    Here's some pleasant reading for you, from someone in the industry:
    Not been here for ages, but I do dip in and see the posts every now and again. So I thought I'd pass on some knowledge which you can take or leave.

    Boyle jumped ship for a number of reasons. Yes, Eon wanted to bring on another writer, which is very standard practice, especially on big budget franchise films. Boyle wanted to keep the budget as tight as possible, but of course that meant a strain on the action scenes - Boyle, apparently, favoured less action, and I suspect the studio and Eon were not completely comfortable with that - SF is relatively light on action, but it does have a full-on pre-title action sequence, a mid-section London Underground action/chase sequence, and an explosive climax. Boyle nearly always pushes to cast relative unknowns - just take a look at his films - for example he cast a TV soap actor in the Beetles film, but Universal balanced that out by asking him to cast a more well known female lead, which he did. So on Bond there was certainly deep discussions and probably disagreements (between all parties) on casting - again, this very, very standard on almost any film or TV show.

    As for Craig. I'd like to say, personally knowing crew (friends and associates of mine) who have worked with Craig on his Bond films and also Layer Cake, he is highly regarded and respected for being very professional and committed and NOT, I stress - NOT - a prima donna as a few on this forum have suggested. However, he takes his job very seriously and he is the lead actor, with 4 Bond films under his belt so far, and so he knows his take on the character and his own strengths as an actor - and this is true of many lead actors, male or female. Wise producers and directors - and, for that matter, writers, carefully listen to a lead actor's (or any other main cast members') opinions and ideas, and, all being well, take their thoughts - sometimes their demands - onboard. Established lead actors have always had the power to challenge or question their producers, writers, and directors - Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, Richard Widmark, Dustin Hoffman, Steve McQueen (very hard to handle), Robert Shaw, Sean Connery, Jessica Lang, George C. Scott, Robert Downey Jr. (you want to see a list of demands!!!), George Clooney (yes charming, but he fights his corner), the list goes on and on. (Some may want to claim Craig is not an A list actor, but in the film industry that's what he is - he's Bond, and that means something.) Craig is doing his job.

    Filmmaking is a highly creative process, frequently very intense and very pressurised, and so artistic, even personal, clashes come with territory. Over and out.

    Now take a nap.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 2,115
    As an aside, @ColonelSun's post has a part that's opposite the stereotypical narrative. Normally, you hear stories of directors who can't be bothered with the budget (think Michael Cimino on Heaven's Gate) while the producers fret about spending too much.

    Thus, it's interesting that Boyle wanted to hold down the budget, which meant holding down action sequences while the producers wanted to spend more (and have more action). Interesting insight from the good Colonel.
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