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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    RC7 wrote: »
    They should hand a hard copy of this thread to everyone arriving at Dignitas, just to remind them why they’re there.

    And make them sign every page after reading through.

    Have control questions.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,399
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I thought Quantum was quite good.

    Film is a subjective medium, you are allowed to think whatever you like. Quantum has its fanbase, but the public response was negative at the time, and the film is largely forgotten, whereas Casino and Skyfall are remembered fondly.

    EON need Bond 25 to be more than a film with a small diehard fanbase.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    vzok wrote: »
    Still not sure that Bond should be aiming for more action (or trying to compete with MI). Spying and intrigue maybe.

    Bond should be aiming for and filling the space the Bourne films occupied in terms of action.

    Bond should focus on visceral fight scenes and intensely gripping vehicular chases with at least 1 big and elaborate action setpiece.

    We need Bond going around spying, rendezvousing with contacts and leads, romancing women. It's not hard to get the ingredients rights to make a great Bond film.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 755
    Fallout undoubtedly made them take pause on their plans for B25. MI’s a series on the ascent and Fallout will be the new standard for action films. I don’t think Craig should be doing his own crazy stunts and they don’t need non-stop action, but the action B25 will have has to be fantastic and memorable, because if it’s not, it will be directly compared to Fallout and criticized.
  • Posts: 17,756
    peter wrote: »
    Here's some pleasant reading for you, from someone in the industry:
    For the umpteenth time: without knowing who the Colonel is, it is completely meaningless to me that he is working in the film industry. A large percentage of people in the film industry are completely incompetent, and many people working in the film industry know LESS about the inner workings of the industry than the average MI6Community member does.

    Please elaborate on this!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883
    True. They are probably suffering the fallout (forgive me...couldn't resist) of how good that last MI film was.
  • Posts: 4,619
    Ludovico wrote: »
    The franchise is doomed, doomed, DOOMED!
    I don't think any Bond fan has ever believed the franchise is doomed. After all, everybody needs a hobby and Bond's hobby happens to be resurrection... I sincerely believe the best Bond movie has not been made yet.
    peter wrote: »
    Meanwhile, here is one last thing from Colonel that specifically addresses something you said @PanchitoPistoles:
    Instead of messaging me through you, the Colonel should man up and send me a direct message if he wants to tell me something.
    peter wrote: »
    "... one thing has angered me, how Panchito boldly states how so many people in the film industry are
    incompetent. How on earth does he know that? It is an ignorant insult!
    How do I know that? It's quite simple: many movies are bad to awful. How are many movies bad to awful if not as a direct result of many incompetent people in the film industry?
    peter wrote: »
    as that ignorant twit claims,
    Nice! The Colonel is showing his true colors again.
    peter wrote: »
    it became the usual passive-aggressive comments, or the outright insulting (with special thank-yous to all the people who were actually positive; I can assure you, @ColonelSun appreciates it, but laughs off a couple of posters as being disruptive and just depressing folks).
    Show me a single comment that was as insulting as him calling me an ignorant twit.
  • Posts: 4,409
    Who is this @PanchitoPistoles why's everyone moaning about him all the time? Poor bloke probably just needs to get out a little more. It's Friday night. Maybe he needs to have a few drinks and relax. He doesn't need to be on a James Bond forum 24/7.

    In other news, Demange's White Boy Rick is dropping more marketing materials. the film is expected to open to great reviews today, so I imagine Demange's bargaining power will increase (assuming he is the favourite)

  • edited August 2018 Posts: 4,619
    The question is how will they come back swinging this time? If this were a break between actors, I would have fewer anxieties, because they could take any angle they wanted. But as it stands, this is Craig's last outing, it's been a four year wait, and the last film didn't stick in the mind of the public like Mission Impossible has.
    Not every Bond movie is a triumph. they probably won't come back swinging this time. The resurrection will come with BOND 26.
    In any Bond era, there is a very group who loves the actor and only wants them to continue for as long as possible, and there is a much smaller group who has never been a big fan of that actor and would much prefer he was replaced (there's nothing wrong with either, just a difference of tastes).
    I agree with quite a lot of what you say, but i don't agree that a new actor will necessarily bring the change that is needed. Bring in a new actor, but keep the producers + Purvis & Wade and we will get more of the same. There won't be another Casino Royale without serious changes.
    So, if Bond 25 is to plow ahead, full steam with Craig in the hot seat, after a 4 years, possibly 5 year break, I feel EON need to put forth a case for why Daniel is still the man for the job.
    All they needed to accomplish that is accept Hodge's script and keep Boyle. I really hope I will get to read Hodge's script one day. I am absolutely convinced the reason EON wanted someone else to rewrite it was not that it wasn't good enough, I believe the reason was that it was too different, too radical.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    James Bond 25: Dave Bautista ‘Mr Hinx return has been mentioned, I'd LOVE to come back’
    https://express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1011209/James-Bond-25-Dave-Bautista-Mr-Hinx-Spectre-Daniel-Craig-Final-Score

    Yesterday Express.co.uk spoke with the 49-year-old, who was promoting his new movie Final Score, regarding a return for Mr Hinx in the upcoming Bond 25.

    And it turns out Bautista not only “would love to come back for Bond 25”, but also revealed a return has been both “mentioned” and “pushed.”

    The actor said: “We had hopes, and…they had mentioned it.

    “But yeah still have kinda hopes…I hear it’s been pushed, so maybe there’s a…chance.”

    When asked if he specifically meant Bond 25, Bautista clarified: “Yeah I want to be in Bond 25. I’ve been very open and political about it. Like I’ve pursued this role.

    “I would love to revive Hinx in Bond 25. I wanna be a part of it because it’s a historical film.

    “There’s a huge part of me that wants the bragging rights of being that henchman who came back twice, because there hasn’t been many.

    “And I wanna be that guy, I wanna be historical, y’know.”

    He added: “Even if that’s the mark that I leave in my career and people remember me for that, I’m okay with that.

    “Y’know, ‘cause I think it’s a great thing, it’s something that I would be proud of so, yeah fingers still crossed, I would love to come back for Bond 25.”

    Fans of the iconic franchise will know there has been two scripts surrounding Bond 25.

    The first, rumoured to be called Shatterhand and a direct sequel to Spectre, was penned by Bond screenwriter regulars Neal Purvis and Robert Wade.

    Presumably this was the script that saw Mr Hinx return, however the story was shelved in favour of one by John Hodge, who was going to collaborate with director Danny Boyle on Bond 25.

    But both Boyle and Hodge have now left the project, so it’s possible that Purvis and Wade’s original script will now be used.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    James Bond 25: Dave Bautista ‘Mr Hinx return has been mentioned, I'd LOVE to come back’
    https://express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1011209/James-Bond-25-Dave-Bautista-Mr-Hinx-Spectre-Daniel-Craig-Final-Score

    Yesterday Express.co.uk spoke with the 49-year-old, who was promoting his new movie Final Score, regarding a return for Mr Hinx in the upcoming Bond 25.

    And it turns out Bautista not only “would love to come back for Bond 25”, but also revealed a return has been both “mentioned” and “pushed.”

    The actor said: “We had hopes, and…they had mentioned it.

    “But yeah still have kinda hopes…I hear it’s been pushed, so maybe there’s a…chance.”

    When asked if he specifically meant Bond 25, Bautista clarified: “Yeah I want to be in Bond 25. I’ve been very open and political about it. Like I’ve pursued this role.

    “I would love to revive Hinx in Bond 25. I wanna be a part of it because it’s a historical film.

    “There’s a huge part of me that wants the bragging rights of being that henchman who came back twice, because there hasn’t been many.

    “And I wanna be that guy, I wanna be historical, y’know.”

    He added: “Even if that’s the mark that I leave in my career and people remember me for that, I’m okay with that.

    “Y’know, ‘cause I think it’s a great thing, it’s something that I would be proud of so, yeah fingers still crossed, I would love to come back for Bond 25.”

    Fans of the iconic franchise will know there has been two scripts surrounding Bond 25.

    The first, rumoured to be called Shatterhand and a direct sequel to Spectre, was penned by Bond screenwriter regulars Neal Purvis and Robert Wade.

    Presumably this was the script that saw Mr Hinx return, however the story was shelved in favour of one by John Hodge, who was going to collaborate with director Danny Boyle on Bond 25.

    But both Boyle and Hodge have now left the project, so it’s possible that Purvis and Wade’s original script will now be used.

    I've always this to happen.
  • RC7RC7
    edited August 2018 Posts: 10,512
    peter wrote: »
    "... one thing has angered me, how Panchito boldly states how so many people in the film industry are
    incompetent. How on earth does he know that? It is an ignorant insult!
    How do I know that? It's quite simple: many movies are bad to awful. How are many movies bad to awful if not as a direct result of many incompetent people in the film industry?

    Regardless of whether one thinks ‘many movies are bad to awful’ (A ridiculous statement in itself), making a passable movie is incredibly hard. Making a genuinely great movie is almost impossible. You wouldn’t understand this because you’ve clearly never been anywhere near a production of any kind - if you had, you would never make the baseless accusations that have become your forte.

    There’s so much nuance and detail involved in production, especially on this scale - which has been covered from time to time by those with specific knowledge - but the conversation always reverts back to a binary argument, because people don’t want to listen.

    Not everyone can be aware of the intricacies of production, nor should they need to be - the film has to be judged on the finished product - but it certainly doesn’t help discussion on here when we are talking production, that you fail to accept that you really have no clue.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited August 2018 Posts: 8,216
    If he comes back he should be mute, his vocal cords crushed, and his throat scared from his encounter with Bond ;possibly he would have some type of permanent neck brace that would complete his Bond Villain look and he wants another shot at 007.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    talos7 wrote: »
    If he comes back he should be mute, his vocal cords crushed, and his throat scared from his encounter with Bond ;possibly he would have some type of permanent neck brace that would complete his Bond Villain look and he wants another shot at 007.
    I'm not surprised he wants back in to a degree, given his biggest role is up in the air. I'm not sure about his 'historical' remarks though. Hinx is far from memorable in the pantheon of Bond villains, at least imho.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    talos7 wrote: »
    If he comes back he should be mute, his vocal cords crushed, and his throat scared from his encounter with Bond ;possibly he would have some type of permanent neck brace that would complete his Bond Villain look and he wants another shot at 007.

    I agree, it would be more realistic. Bring back and use more often, the metal thumb nails!
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    If he comes back he should be mute, his vocal cords crushed, and his throat scared from his encounter with Bond ;possibly he would have some type of permanent neck brace that would complete his Bond Villain look and he wants another shot at 007.

    I agree, it would be more realistic. Bring back and use more often, the metal thumb nails!

    They didn’t make enough of those.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    All I can think of is "High Hopes" ... :)
    Wasn't that some song long, long ago (I think Sinatra) about an ant pushing a rubber tree plant around ...? Let me find it ... yep:
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    I’m against the idea of Hinx returning, unless he gets used a lot better than he was in SP. To me, the only particularly good Hinx scene was the train fight. He himself isn’t a bad henchman, just not implemented too well. It’s probably best to just move on from him though - no disrespect to Bautista.
  • Posts: 4,619
    RC7 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    "... one thing has angered me, how Panchito boldly states how so many people in the film industry are
    incompetent. How on earth does he know that? It is an ignorant insult!
    How do I know that? It's quite simple: many movies are bad to awful. How are many movies bad to awful if not as a direct result of many incompetent people in the film industry?

    Regardless of whether one thinks ‘many movies are bad to awful’ (A ridiculous statement in itself),
    I'm sorry, but this is where I stopped reading your comment. Are you really claiming there aren't many movies that are bad/awful?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’m against the idea of Hinx returning, unless he gets used a lot better than he was in SP. To me, the only particularly good Hinx scene was the train fight. He himself isn’t a bad henchman, just not implemented too well. It’s probably best to just move on from him though - no disrespect to Bautista.

    I think if Waltz and Bautista come back, their characters will be better written. If James Bond is about reinventing itself, and resurrection, there will be a better written script next time.
  • Posts: 17,756
    RC7 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    "... one thing has angered me, how Panchito boldly states how so many people in the film industry are
    incompetent. How on earth does he know that? It is an ignorant insult!
    How do I know that? It's quite simple: many movies are bad to awful. How are many movies bad to awful if not as a direct result of many incompetent people in the film industry?

    Regardless of whether one thinks ‘many movies are bad to awful’ (A ridiculous statement in itself),
    I'm sorry, but this is where I stopped reading your comment. Are you really claiming there aren't many movies that are bad/awful?

    You should read the rest of the comment…
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2018 Posts: 12,480
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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    @PanchitoPistoles I have a feeling you may be right. The rot has set in at a much deeper level than in previous times. Barbara does not seem devoted to Bond in the same way her father was. He was to producing what Tom Cruise is to acting. Remember the story of him cooking a meal for the whole acst and crew. Spaghetti wasn't it? Has Barbara ever done something like that? Would she? More than likely she would probably just shut down production until they got proper catering back. I believe Babs carried on the Brosnan era out of a deep respect for her father, which is why some refer to them as uninspired or cookie-cutter. Then when Brosnan left, she had the opportunity to makes the movies she wanted to make. There's a reason the Craig films don't seem too plot-focused, or to do with actual spying or intrigue. It's because making hardboiled spy thrillers isn't really a passion for her, and making over the top, bombastic Bond romps certainly isn't. I think the reason some view her as incompetent is because she's just not that engaged alot of the time. So if there is to be true change, then that means more than just Craig and P+W.

    On a separate note, I have often said how, inspite of not being a fan of the Craig era, hiring Boyle was a masterstroke in terms of sending him out on a high. SP was a bloated mess, so it was always clear that B25 was going to be a smaller film. But I like the idea of scaling right back, and telling a thriller about the Craig Bond on a mission. Danny Boyle could bring back to life that zaniness of the late Connery early Moore period, and actually make it fit in a modern context. And at the same time he could tell a emotional story. I'm not a fan of these type of Bond story, but I could see myself being won over by that. Now we'll never see it.
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    Remember the story of him cooking a meal for the whole acst and crew. Spaghetti wasn't it? Has Barbara ever done something like that? Would she?

    I don't think you'd find any producer doing that these days. I can't see it being usual back then, either.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Remember the story of him cooking a meal for the whole acst and crew. Spaghetti wasn't it? Has Barbara ever done something like that? Would she?

    I don't think you'd find any producer doing that these days. I can't see it being usual back then, either.

    Exactly, he was a one-off like Cruise is in the acting sphere. Going that extra mile.

    The best we can hope for now is someone with a true passion for this type of series.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Remember the story of him cooking a meal for the whole acst and crew. Spaghetti wasn't it? Has Barbara ever done something like that? Would she?

    I don't think you'd find any producer doing that these days. I can't see it being usual back then, either.

    Barb would just order some pizzas. Oh my, the decline!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,188
    Remember the story of him cooking a meal for the whole acst and crew. Spaghetti wasn't it? Has Barbara ever done something like that? Would she?

    I don't think you'd find any producer doing that these days. I can't see it being usual back then, either.

    Barb would just order some pizzas. Oh my, the decline!

    I'm always grateful for pizzas.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    I think the reason some view her as incompetent is because she's just not that engaged alot of the time.

    Anyone who thinks Barbara is incompetent is either ignorant, or thick. The films she produces may not be to everyone’s taste, that goes without saying, but in terms of satisfying the general audience and her investors, she’s consistently successful. She doesn’t work for keyboard warriors, who don’t have the slightest idea of the industry.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited August 2018 Posts: 10,591
    I would politely like to ask everyone to remain civil and bare the forum decorum. I know the air surrounding the next outing is uncertain at the moment, but it's certainly no reason to be at each other's throats. @ColonelSun has provided us with well-versed and calming words a couple of pages back, so let's use that as a benchmark on how to behave in this thread.

    Any off-topic chatter or personal attacks will be removed from here on out.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2018 Posts: 12,480
    Let's live in the past. Always better there, eh?
    I am a fan of the older Bond films, and all of Fleming's writings.
    I like living in the present, too, and I do look forward to the future.
    I sleep well at night. I believe the Bond series will continue.

    BUT ... Is Barbara not making pasta?! OMG! She will never be the same as her unique father. Sad. She is her own person, who has fought to provide excellence, taken risks, and battled misogyny at the same time (and still does), all along the way. She is human, a proven successful executive, someone Cubby did trust, and we all mourn the lack of spaghetti making. She must not be fully engaged in her work any more. Sad. I give up.
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