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  • DisneyBond007DisneyBond007 Welwyn Garden City
    Posts: 100
    DCisared wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Here we go.

    When it becomes necessary to come on here and piss on the opinions of others just because you don't agree with them, and to ascribe motives to them, then it's perhaps time for you to take a break from this site imho.

    This is a discussion forum. People discuss. That's the nature of it. One can propose a counter argument, but I think it's nonsensical to try to shut down discussion by shaming those having the discussion, just because it doesn't fit one's world view.

    At the present time, we have no legitimate news. All we have is rumour. Everything is up in the air. If people want to discuss that rumour until some concrete news comes along, I say go right ahead.

    If some have a problem with it, there are dedicated appreciation threads on here (including one for Daniel Craig) where you can comfort yourselves.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2016/05/23/could-gillian-anderson-be-the-next-james-bond-actress-tweets-moc/

    Oh no? I don't want a female version of James Bond please!
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    DCisared wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Here we go.

    When it becomes necessary to come on here and piss on the opinions of others just because you don't agree with them, and to ascribe motives to them, then it's perhaps time for you to take a break from this site imho.

    This is a discussion forum. People discuss. That's the nature of it. One can propose a counter argument, but I think it's nonsensical to try to shut down discussion by shaming those having the discussion, just because it doesn't fit one's world view.

    At the present time, we have no legitimate news. All we have is rumour. Everything is up in the air. If people want to discuss that rumour until some concrete news comes along, I say go right ahead.

    If some have a problem with it, there are dedicated appreciation threads on here (including one for Daniel Craig) where you can comfort yourselves.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2016/05/23/could-gillian-anderson-be-the-next-james-bond-actress-tweets-moc/

    Oh no? I don't want a female version of James Bond please!

    Don't worry Bond won't be the next Disney princess.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    DCisared wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Here we go.

    When it becomes necessary to come on here and piss on the opinions of others just because you don't agree with them, and to ascribe motives to them, then it's perhaps time for you to take a break from this site imho.

    This is a discussion forum. People discuss. That's the nature of it. One can propose a counter argument, but I think it's nonsensical to try to shut down discussion by shaming those having the discussion, just because it doesn't fit one's world view.

    At the present time, we have no legitimate news. All we have is rumour. Everything is up in the air. If people want to discuss that rumour until some concrete news comes along, I say go right ahead.

    If some have a problem with it, there are dedicated appreciation threads on here (including one for Daniel Craig) where you can comfort yourselves.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2016/05/23/could-gillian-anderson-be-the-next-james-bond-actress-tweets-moc/

    Oh no? I don't want a female version of James Bond please!

    Don't worry Bond won't be the next Disney princess.
    =))
  • Posts: 6,601
    DM is sticking to its story regarding the 68 million. I can't help but feel like there is more truth to that than EON is letting on.

    Do you have a Link?

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,399
    Germanlady wrote: »
    DM is sticking to its story regarding the 68 million. I can't help but feel like there is more truth to that than EON is letting on.

    Do you have a Link?

    Er, I'm using my phone, sorry. The title of the article is:

    Daniel Craig seen in London after refusing '£68m Deal to play Bond'

    It was published just over 24 hours ago now. No new info, but they haven't backed down either.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    Who wrote Nightfire? Get them to write Bond 25; that game had a deft blend of espionage elements, action, intrigue, and great characters.
  • Posts: 6,601
    Its here, too. And why would they not, since nobody interfers. For whatever reason.

    Daniel Craig urges world leaders to 'start the biggest humanitarian movement in our history' at aid summit where Turkey fires barbs at the West for not doing enough for Syrian migrants

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3605132/Daniel-Craig-urges-world-leaders-start-biggest-humanitarian-movement-history-aid-summit-Turkey-fires-barbs-West-not-doing-Syrian-migrants.html#ixzz49UxkTHoj
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    bondjames wrote: »
    I think Craig's contributions to Bond have been very impressive behind the scenes. That is where he has been most effective in my view, especially in comparison to his predecessors. He takes the role seriously, and is a serious chap. He has attracted quality talent behind and in front of the camera, which has resulted in a better final product. He also collaborates well with such talent.

    I am personally not a fan of the final film, and see it as a slip back to the old formulaic ways (and not even as good), but there is no questioning the talent they had on board for it. If Craig goes, I think that will be where we could feel the loss in a big way.

    As an actor he has been very good, but I don't think he's irreplaceable. Far from it actually, given the direction they've gone with the last two films. With CR & QoS in particular, I don't know of many actors who could have delivered Craig level intensity, which was what was called for in a 'young Bond'.

    So the character of Bond has changed during the era as well, and has sort of come back full circle to closer to where we were before he came on board, intentionally, & making it easier to replace him as an actor. IMHO.

    I agree with you BondJames, that SP took him back to too familiar territory. I'm a fan of Craig, not a fan of this decision.

    I do believe however, that Craig is an actor of immense talent. If the right writers came on board, I'd like to see a grizzled veteran, near the end of his career, put in jeopardy. I think Craig would rise to the occasion.

    Challenge the character/challenge the actor.

    We'd see the final evolution of the character in a couple of films: that of the Lion in Winter.

    Mr. Craig can have a better send off.

    In the end, no matter what, it'll come down to the script. And if we have a couple of proper scripts that bring out the best in the Bond character, I see no reason to change the actor. Bring him full circle properly and not in the paint by numbers method they've used recently.

    Then he can walk off into the sunset, gun holster strapped to shoulder, a little worse for wear, but still the same man we met in CR (older, just a little wiser, but someone who would still throw himself through a wall if it meant stopping the bad guy)
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Its here, too. And why would they not, since nobody interfers. For whatever reason.

    Daniel Craig urges world leaders to 'start the biggest humanitarian movement in our history' at aid summit where Turkey fires barbs at the West for not doing enough for Syrian migrants

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3605132/Daniel-Craig-urges-world-leaders-start-biggest-humanitarian-movement-history-aid-summit-Turkey-fires-barbs-West-not-doing-Syrian-migrants.html#ixzz49UxkTHoj

    @Germanlady: until I read about the offer in a proper entertainment trade publication (Deadline Hollywood and its competitors), the news spin is just that: spin. These trade reporters pride themselves on breaking entertainment news, but none of the established publications mentioned it.

    Craig turning down a raise like that is big news. Him being done with role, probably bigger (because with it is the potential of salacious gossip of why he left).

    But the legit entertainment publications didn't even touch this "news".
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    @peter I made the trek to NYC to watch him in Betrayal in 2013. I agree that he is an exceptional actor, and he has been done a bit of a disservice with the scripts.

    I am not a fan of the wise cracking (relatively speaking), 'don't give a "F"' Craig Bond we had in SP. I wanted him to care. I wanted him to beat the living crap out of Blofeld. I wanted that death stare that Craig gave Yusef at the end of QoS (if looks could kill) and not that smirk he gave Blofeld across glass in SP. That's what Craig does better than most. When you have an actor of this calibre at your disposal, he must be stretched.

    It could explain his frustrations of late. I don't think he's all that proud of SP but of course he can't come out and say it.

    Unfortunately, given how SP ended, and the box they've put themselves into (at Craig's insistence or due to him not committing up front to a two picture deal?), I think if he returns we're just going to get more of the same rather than something more 'raw'. It's the direction the character has gone since he was cast. From rough around the edges to smooth relaxed veteran.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Turkey are such hypocrites.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited May 2016 Posts: 8,399
    bondjames wrote: »
    Unfortunately, given how SP ended, and the box they've put themselves into (at Craig's insistence or due to him not committing up front to a two picture deal?), I think if he returns we're just going to get more of the same rather than something more 'raw'. It's the direction the character has gone since he was cast. From rough around the edges to smooth relaxed veteran.

    Precisely. =D>
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    bondjames wrote: »
    Unfortunately, given how SP ended, and the box they've put themselves into (at Craig's insistence or due to him not committing up front to a two picture deal?), I think if he returns we're just going to get more of the same rather than something more 'raw'. It's the direction the character has gone since he was cast. From rough around the edges to smooth relaxed veteran.

    Precisely. =D>

    I wouldn't say that was a given by any means. It depends on the script, the director and Craig himself. My guess is that he'll want to switch it up again should he do another.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    bondjames wrote: »
    @peter I made the trek to NYC to watch him in Betrayal in 2013. I agree that he is an exceptional actor, and he has been done a bit of a disservice with the scripts.

    I am not a fan of the wise cracking (relatively speaking), 'don't give a "F"' Craig Bond we had in SP. I wanted him to care. I wanted him to beat the living crap out of Blofeld. I wanted that death stare that Craig gave Yusef at the end of QoS (if looks could kill) and not that smirk he gave Blofeld across glass in SP. That's what Craig does better than most. When you have an actor of this calibre at your disposal, he must be stretched.

    It could explain his frustrations of late. I don't think he's all that proud of SP but of course he can't come out and say it.

    Unfortunately, given how SP ended, and the box they've put themselves into (at Craig's insistence or due to him not committing up front to a two picture deal?), I think if he returns we're just going to get more of the same rather than something more 'raw'. It's the direction the character has gone since he was cast. From rough around the edges to smooth relaxed veteran.

    @bondjames I wonder if much of this was based on Mendes' direction? It seemed he so desperately wanted his own "classic" take on the character.

    BTW I didn't see Betrayal, but I intend on seeing Othello.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    I think it was both Craig and Mendes @peter.

    Creatively this may have been the idea - to give us something more 'classic'. I recall Craig saying he wanted the old irony back after SF. However, I think problems came about during the execution phase (including the obvious script problems) which resulted in a far more tumultuous shoot than previously envisaged & a less than ideal result.

    Even though I'm not a fan, I appreciate it for being a more classic take on the character, and providing Craig with 4 very different films (he's almost an 'artsy' Bond, as I said in an earlier post - which suits his modus operandi outside of Bond).

    I'm going to try and catch Othello as well.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Unfortunately, given how SP ended, and the box they've put themselves into (at Craig's insistence or due to him not committing up front to a two picture deal?), I think if he returns we're just going to get more of the same rather than something more 'raw'. It's the direction the character has gone since he was cast. From rough around the edges to smooth relaxed veteran.

    Precisely. =D>

    I wouldn't say that was a given by any means. It depends on the script, the director and Craig himself. My guess is that he'll want to switch it up again should he do another.

    @RC7 I agree. Craig seems to be an actor who likes "switching it up". He's had his fun. But it would be boring to replay this in the next one-- should he take on the role again (I still find it interesting that the main entertainment publications didn't even give this "news" one sentence this past week).

    It'll start with the script. Babs and Co should invest their energy on getting this right, cut away the old and bring in fresh eyes.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,399
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Unfortunately, given how SP ended, and the box they've put themselves into (at Craig's insistence or due to him not committing up front to a two picture deal?), I think if he returns we're just going to get more of the same rather than something more 'raw'. It's the direction the character has gone since he was cast. From rough around the edges to smooth relaxed veteran.

    Precisely. =D>

    I wouldn't say that was a given by any means. It depends on the script, the director and Craig himself. My guess is that he'll want to switch it up again should he do another.

    Even if he did, so what? He's had a decade to do what he wanted. How could anyone claim that he is entitled to more?
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    bondjames wrote: »
    I think it was both Craig and Mendes @peter.

    Creatively this may have been the idea - to give us something more 'classic'. I recall Craig saying he wanted the old irony back after SF. However, I think problems came about during the execution phase (including the obvious script problems) which resulted in a far more tumultuous shoot than previously envisaged & a less than ideal result.

    Even though I'm not a fan, I appreciate it for being a more classic take on the character, and providing Craig with 4 very different films (he's almost an 'artsy' Bond, as I said in an earlier post - which suits his modus operandi outside of Bond).

    I'm going to try and catch Othello as well.

    @bondjames I agree, it seems whatever the vision was, the execution fell apart in a few places (and yes, that also started with the script and the lack of time they had to fix whatever it was Logan got up to. It goes to show a rushed script is usually never a good script).

    I think you're correct on your Craig description. And, for that reason, depending on the script, and then the director, I think we can get a couple of more gems out of him.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited May 2016 Posts: 11,139
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Its here, too. And why would they not, since nobody interfers. For whatever reason.

    Daniel Craig urges world leaders to 'start the biggest humanitarian movement in our history' at aid summit where Turkey fires barbs at the West for not doing enough for Syrian migrants

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3605132/Daniel-Craig-urges-world-leaders-start-biggest-humanitarian-movement-history-aid-summit-Turkey-fires-barbs-West-not-doing-Syrian-migrants.html#ixzz49UxkTHoj

    The comments section are so laughably hateful.
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    @bondjames and @peter, I agree with you both.
  • RC7RC7
    edited May 2016 Posts: 10,512
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Unfortunately, given how SP ended, and the box they've put themselves into (at Craig's insistence or due to him not committing up front to a two picture deal?), I think if he returns we're just going to get more of the same rather than something more 'raw'. It's the direction the character has gone since he was cast. From rough around the edges to smooth relaxed veteran.

    Precisely. =D>

    I wouldn't say that was a given by any means. It depends on the script, the director and Craig himself. My guess is that he'll want to switch it up again should he do another.

    Even if he did, so what? He's had a decade to do what he wanted. How could anyone claim that he is entitled to more?

    Entitled to do more? He IS James Bond and as such is entitled to mull over another entry if it is on the table, and all the signs would suggest that offer is indeed on the table. The guy has been a monumental success.
  • Posts: 6,601
    In his world Turner is the only one entitled to anything.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Unfortunately, given how SP ended, and the box they've put themselves into (at Craig's insistence or due to him not committing up front to a two picture deal?), I think if he returns we're just going to get more of the same rather than something more 'raw'. It's the direction the character has gone since he was cast. From rough around the edges to smooth relaxed veteran.

    Precisely. =D>

    I wouldn't say that was a given by any means. It depends on the script, the director and Craig himself. My guess is that he'll want to switch it up again should he do another.

    Even if he did, so what? He's had a decade to do what he wanted. How could anyone claim that he is entitled to more?

    Entitled to do more? He IS James Bond and as such is entitled to mull over another entry if it is on the table, and all the signs would suggest that offer is indeed on the table. The guy has been a monumental success.

    Precisely.
  • Posts: 2,483
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Its here, too. And why would they not, since nobody interfers. For whatever reason.

    Daniel Craig urges world leaders to 'start the biggest humanitarian movement in our history' at aid summit where Turkey fires barbs at the West for not doing enough for Syrian migrants

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3605132/Daniel-Craig-urges-world-leaders-start-biggest-humanitarian-movement-history-aid-summit-Turkey-fires-barbs-West-not-doing-Syrian-migrants.html#ixzz49UxkTHoj

    The comments section are so laughably hateful.

    Not nearly so laughable as the likes of DC offering up the head of Western civilization on a silver platter when his wealth inures him to the consequences of his beliefs. If DC really wants to help the Syrian invaders, then he should erect tenements in immediate propinquity to one of his palaces, and house the "poor" iPhone-toting "refugees" in them. He could then send Rachel Weiss out to minister to them...

  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    I love the raw, intense interpretation of the character in CR and QoS but I also love smooth Craig in SF and SP. Please one more that deftly blends these two!
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    I love the raw, intense interpretation of the character in CR and QoS but I also love smooth Craig in SF and SP. Please one more that deftly blends these two!

    We won't get that with the current writers. Here's hoping we get new and incredible talent working on here on out.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,399
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Unfortunately, given how SP ended, and the box they've put themselves into (at Craig's insistence or due to him not committing up front to a two picture deal?), I think if he returns we're just going to get more of the same rather than something more 'raw'. It's the direction the character has gone since he was cast. From rough around the edges to smooth relaxed veteran.

    Precisely. =D>

    I wouldn't say that was a given by any means. It depends on the script, the director and Craig himself. My guess is that he'll want to switch it up again should he do another.

    Even if he did, so what? He's had a decade to do what he wanted. How could anyone claim that he is entitled to more?

    Entitled to do more? He IS James Bond and as such is entitled to mull over another entry if it is on the table, and all the signs would suggest that offer is indeed on the table. The guy has been a monumental success.

    You could say the same thing about Connery in 1971. Again, you are confusing quality with success. I'm sure a fifth Craig film would be very successful, but that doesn't mean its the brave move on EON's part. After a decade in the role, to suggest that Craig hasn't been given a fair shake is quite frankly ludicrous.
  • RC7RC7
    edited May 2016 Posts: 10,512
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Unfortunately, given how SP ended, and the box they've put themselves into (at Craig's insistence or due to him not committing up front to a two picture deal?), I think if he returns we're just going to get more of the same rather than something more 'raw'. It's the direction the character has gone since he was cast. From rough around the edges to smooth relaxed veteran.

    Precisely. =D>

    I wouldn't say that was a given by any means. It depends on the script, the director and Craig himself. My guess is that he'll want to switch it up again should he do another.

    Even if he did, so what? He's had a decade to do what he wanted. How could anyone claim that he is entitled to more?

    Entitled to do more? He IS James Bond and as such is entitled to mull over another entry if it is on the table, and all the signs would suggest that offer is indeed on the table. The guy has been a monumental success.

    You could say the same thing about Connery in 1971. Again, you are confusing quality with success. I'm sure a fifth Craig film would be very successful, but that doesn't mean its the brave move on EON's part. After a decade in the role, to suggest that Craig hasn't been given a fair shake is quite frankly ludicrous.

    Where did I say Craig hasn't been given a fair shake?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited May 2016 Posts: 8,399
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Unfortunately, given how SP ended, and the box they've put themselves into (at Craig's insistence or due to him not committing up front to a two picture deal?), I think if he returns we're just going to get more of the same rather than something more 'raw'. It's the direction the character has gone since he was cast. From rough around the edges to smooth relaxed veteran.

    Precisely. =D>

    I wouldn't say that was a given by any means. It depends on the script, the director and Craig himself. My guess is that he'll want to switch it up again should he do another.

    Even if he did, so what? He's had a decade to do what he wanted. How could anyone claim that he is entitled to more?

    Entitled to do more? He IS James Bond and as such is entitled to mull over another entry if it is on the table, and all the signs would suggest that offer is indeed on the table. The guy has been a monumental success.

    You could say the same thing about Connery in 1971. Again, you are confusing quality with success. I'm sure a fifth Craig film would be very successful, but that doesn't mean its the brave move on EON's part. After a decade in the role, to suggest that Craig hasn't been given a fair shake is quite frankly ludicrous.

    Where did I say Craig hasn't been given a fair shake?

    Well if you don't think that then why are you arguing that he should continue playing Bond? Unless you don't think that the role should go to the best guy for the job, and just the one we're feeling sentimental about at the moment?
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Unfortunately, given how SP ended, and the box they've put themselves into (at Craig's insistence or due to him not committing up front to a two picture deal?), I think if he returns we're just going to get more of the same rather than something more 'raw'. It's the direction the character has gone since he was cast. From rough around the edges to smooth relaxed veteran.

    Precisely. =D>

    I wouldn't say that was a given by any means. It depends on the script, the director and Craig himself. My guess is that he'll want to switch it up again should he do another.

    Even if he did, so what? He's had a decade to do what he wanted. How could anyone claim that he is entitled to more?

    Entitled to do more? He IS James Bond and as such is entitled to mull over another entry if it is on the table, and all the signs would suggest that offer is indeed on the table. The guy has been a monumental success.

    You could say the same thing about Connery in 1971. Again, you are confusing quality with success. I'm sure a fifth Craig film would be very successful, but that doesn't mean its the brave move on EON's part. After a decade in the role, to suggest that Craig hasn't been given a fair shake is quite frankly ludicrous.

    Where did I say Craig hasn't been given a fair shake?

    Well if you don't think that then why are you arguing that he should continue playing Bond? Unless you don't think that the role should go to the best guy for the job, and just the one we're feeling sentimental about at the moment?

    All I said is that I imagine Craig would switch it up again 'if' he were to take on another film. Pretty simple concept.
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