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  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,169
    AgentJamesBond007 wrote: »
    I want a Bond film that feels like a Bond film.

    I think it's been a very long time since we got a Bond film that truly felt like a Bond film.
    Some can debate that CR felt the most like a Bond film of the Craig era, but to me it feels like it's own entity apart from the others.
    All the Craig films feel like 'Craig era Bond" rather than just Bond.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    Posts: 732
    Don‘t think so - it‘s just a different interpretation. Like Moore is different to Connery. I think it comes down to which incarnation IS James Bond to you. And I have two: Connery and Craig. I enjoyed them all but those are two totally different takes on the character and I appreciate both for different things.
  • TR007TR007
    Posts: 1,165
    dominicgreene wrote: »
    Lots of different opinions a viewpoints here. I quite like it. I wish everyone here could take a step back and realise debate is good, and that getting worked up because someone decided to challenge you is quite silly.
    dominicgreene wrote: »
    Lots of different opinions a viewpoints here. I quite like it. I wish everyone here could take a step back and realise debate is good, and that getting worked up because someone decided to challenge you is quite silly.

    Well said! :)


  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited September 2018 Posts: 17,756
    To me, the Craig films lost some of that "Bond feel" I felt with the previous films - be it Connery's films, Moore's films, Dalton's films, Brosnan's films, and Lazenby's OHMSS. Can't put the finger on why, and this is why I find it difficult to rank them particularly high.

    They're too moody for my liking.

    Edit: And to illustrate it; we've gone from this:
    bond-home.jpg cb677fb329c1cf144a33cc5441d6aff8.png

    …to this:
    James-Bonds-Apartment-Film-Set.jpg?resize=640%2C269&ssl=1

    It suits this Bond, but where's the freaking escapism gone?
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,169
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    To me, the Craig films lost some of that "Bond feel" I felt with the previous films - be it Connery's films, Moore's films, Dalton's films, Brosnan's films, and Lazenby's OHMSS. Can't put the finger on why, and this is why I find it difficult to rank them particularly high.

    They're too moody for my liking.

    Edit: And to illustrate it; we've gone from this:
    bond-home.jpg cb677fb329c1cf144a33cc5441d6aff8.png

    …to this:
    James-Bonds-Apartment-Film-Set.jpg?resize=640%2C269&ssl=1

    It suits this Bond, but where's the freaking escapism gone?

    Good point. Many of the traditional elements that make up a Bond film are sacrificed in the Craig era to appeal to newer audiences accustomed to Bourne, Marvel, or whatever.
    None of the Craig films had a traditional Bond ending. Not even SPECTRE. They might as well have removed the classic PTS while they're at it and titles.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    James-Bonds-Apartment-Film-Set.jpg?resize=640%2C269&ssl=1

    Interesting that Craig's Bond has a framed picture of Ghostface beside him.
    Ghostface.jpg
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Finally someone other than me noticed. :))
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    Murdock wrote: »
    James-Bonds-Apartment-Film-Set.jpg?resize=640%2C269&ssl=1

    Interesting that Craig's Bond has a framed picture of Ghostface beside him.

    That’s no way to talk about Judi Dench.
  • kg54mvpkg54mvp USA
    Posts: 34
    I actually like the way his flat is set up. It may not be authentic bond, but it surely fits his style, and tells a lot about who he is. The old fashioned look is apreciated.
  • ringfire211ringfire211
    Posts: 654
    Spot on with those screen caps! You look at those earlier films and the colors are bright, warm, and inviting. Bond’s home looks like a cool place to live. But you look at Craig’s home and the place looks sterile, unwelcome, cold. The colors and interior decor aren’t inviting in the least. Feels like some detention center, not a home. Too grim, no escapism or romanticism there.
  • JET007JET007
    Posts: 632
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    Spot on with those screen caps! You look at those earlier films and the colors are bright, warm, and inviting. Bond’s home looks like a cool place to live. But you look at Craig’s home and the place looks sterile, unwelcome, cold. The colors and interior decor aren’t inviting in the least. Feels like some detention center, not a home. Too grim, no escapism or romanticism there.

    Keep in mind though, a lot of his belongings were gone post his "death", with him having other matters to occupy himself than home decor.

    I'm already seeing people protest that Johnson is directing Bond 25...

    #KeepCalmAndBond25On
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    funny thing is I bet not many MI6 agents can afford a flat like that in central London these days. they're all commuting in from miles out
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    James-Bonds-Apartment-Film-Set.jpg?resize=640%2C269&ssl=1

    Interesting that Craig's Bond has a framed picture of Ghostface beside him.

    That’s no way to talk about Judi Dench.

    =)) burn!
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited September 2018 Posts: 3,157
    Getafix wrote: »
    funny thing is I bet not many MI6 agents can afford a flat like that in central London these days. they're all commuting in from miles out

    Well, not many MI6 agents saved the world multiple times to the extent Bond did :D Also, wasn't Bond's family wealthy?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited September 2018 Posts: 15,423
    Getafix wrote: »
    funny thing is I bet not many MI6 agents can afford a flat like that in central London these days. they're all commuting in from miles out
    I believe Bond’s got a trust fund left to him by his parents when they died. That, one day, should be clarified in the films. They are in the novels.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited September 2018 Posts: 11,425
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    funny thing is I bet not many MI6 agents can afford a flat like that in central London these days. they're all commuting in from miles out
    I believe Bond’s got a trust fund left to him by his parents when they died. That, one day, should be clarified in the films one day. They are in the novels.

    true.

    I didn't like the SP flat. He's supposed to be a bit more fastidious and it would have been nice to see a touch that suggested he took some pride/pleasure in the place. going back to SF, that's one of the old fashioned things about him.

    but there isn't a lot of consistency or attention to detail in the Craig era films. a shame
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited September 2018 Posts: 4,343
    Can we please change the title of the topic in Bond 25: Useless Complaining Diary?

    Craig's films are not exactly "fun", but they're escapist for sure. Clearly it's not the same kind of cheesy silly joyful escapism that makes some* of the previous movies almost unwatchable...

    *most, if you look at them with a super critic attitude...
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    the only films in find unwatchable are the Brosnan era ones and I never found them fun in the first place
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    The only Bond film I find vehemently unwatchable is Skyfall. There are least favorites, most favorites and whatnot, but that one aforementioned film is one I could really live without.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    The only Bond films I find really hard to re-watch are Live and Let Die, Moonraker and Die Another Day.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    Believe it or not, TSWLM is really hard to watch. The last third's pacing is too slow.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited September 2018 Posts: 11,425
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    The only Bond film I find vehemently unwatchable is Skyfall. There are least favorites, most favorites and whatnot, but that one aforementioned film is one I could really live without.

    ha. I wouldn't rewatch it out of choice but there are plenty of worse entries.
    matt_u wrote: »
    The only Bond films I find really hard to re-watch are Live and Let Die, Moonraker and Die Another Day.

    I have to admit I found LALD a bit painful last time I tried to watch it.

    MR is a veritable classic compared to GE, TND, TWINE, DAD and SF IMO.

    DAD is a funny one. On all levels it's an abysmal piece of filmmaking but it does what it does with such conviction that you can't help warming to it a little bit, sort of like an Ed Wood movie. Its like Tamahori set out to make the worst Bond film ever made but he was so successful that it has that 'so bad it's good' vibe.

    I would never watch it out of choice either but if I had to I'd probably rank it above GE, TWINE and SF.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,756
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    To me, the Craig films lost some of that "Bond feel" I felt with the previous films - be it Connery's films, Moore's films, Dalton's films, Brosnan's films, and Lazenby's OHMSS. Can't put the finger on why, and this is why I find it difficult to rank them particularly high.

    They're too moody for my liking.

    Edit: And to illustrate it; we've gone from this:
    bond-home.jpg cb677fb329c1cf144a33cc5441d6aff8.png

    …to this:
    James-Bonds-Apartment-Film-Set.jpg?resize=640%2C269&ssl=1

    It suits this Bond, but where's the freaking escapism gone?

    Good point. Many of the traditional elements that make up a Bond film are sacrificed in the Craig era to appeal to newer audiences accustomed to Bourne, Marvel, or whatever.
    None of the Craig films had a traditional Bond ending. Not even SPECTRE. They might as well have removed the classic PTS while they're at it and titles.

    Agree with this. The lack of traditional elements bothers me. Makes you wonder what the next era will be like; will it be as dreary as this one, or will the pendulum swing back to are more lighthearted approach? They've really taken the series to the outer limits now.
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    Spot on with those screen caps! You look at those earlier films and the colors are bright, warm, and inviting. Bond’s home looks like a cool place to live. But you look at Craig’s home and the place looks sterile, unwelcome, cold. The colors and interior decor aren’t inviting in the least. Feels like some detention center, not a home. Too grim, no escapism or romanticism there.

    Big parts of the films, IMO is the escapism and romanticism, which this provides nothing of. It suits Craig's Bond of course, and as @JET007 writes:
    JET007 wrote: »
    Keep in mind though, a lot of his belongings were gone post his "death", with him having other matters to occupy himself than home decor.

    This is very true, but in the bigger picture, this is images some of us are left with once the Craig era ends.
    Murdock wrote: »
    James-Bonds-Apartment-Film-Set.jpg?resize=640%2C269&ssl=1

    Interesting that Craig's Bond has a framed picture of Ghostface beside him.
    Ghostface.jpg

    You're right! I've never noticed that before. How…uhm…strange(?) Wonder what the thought behind this was.
    Craig%20007%20Amsterdam%20Spectre.jpg
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Off topic, but that's definitely not ghostface.
  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
    Posts: 727
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Just a theory but could rian Johnson be the director of b25? The title "knifes are out" could be a smokescreen. Also the title could be an up yours gesture to the internet trolls who dissed last Jedi which I loved BTW.

    Thankfully he is American. So no.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    I think the Craig era actually still has a lot of the trad elements - just reworked a little. it's a bit like LTK. on the surface it's very different but underneath a lot remains the same
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Getafix wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    The only Bond film I find vehemently unwatchable is Skyfall. There are least favorites, most favorites and whatnot, but that one aforementioned film is one I could really live without.
    ha. I wouldn't rewatch it out of choice but there are plenty of worse entries.
    Don't bet on that.
  • nobodydoesitbetternobodydoesitbetter
    Posts: 1,021
    Benjamin_Weekly69 wrote: »
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Just a theory but could rian Johnson be the director of b25? The title "knifes are out" could be a smokescreen. Also the title could be an up yours gesture to the internet trolls who dissed last Jedi which I loved BTW.

    Thankfully he is American. So no.

    Before it only used to be directors from commonwealth countries could direct Bond films (don't really know why) but I think any nationality can direct a Bond film now. Marc Forster isn't from a commonwealth country and he directed QOS.
    So yes. I think even Rian Johnson would be considered (although I don't suspect for a minute he is directing BOND25).

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    It is interesting to see how the comments change over the years. Yes, considerably.
  • nobodydoesitbetternobodydoesitbetter
    Posts: 1,021
    Getafix wrote: »
    I think the Craig era actually still has a lot of the trad elements - just reworked a little. it's a bit like LTK. on the surface it's very different but underneath a lot remains the same

    I totally agree...reworked for modern audiences. Some US critics even complained that SP had too many of these "trad elements".
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