No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    AgentM72 wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »

    Put McQuarrie in a 50-year-old Franchise, and he would be in the same Situation as the other Bond directors. And that´s not the same as sitting down with Cruise and hatching their Baby. @fanbond123 mentions Shane Black´s The Predator. Now look at the films Shane Black has directed: Two lower budgeted films he had free Hand on, and two high Budget vehicles. The former are sharp on every Corner, every line hits ist mark, the Story flows, their both a blast. The latter two are so-so.

    Indeed. Writers and directors -- any professional filmmaker, really -- finds themselves in a similar boat on any franchise tentpole. And each franchise is different.

    It's a give and take relationship. Any collaborative undertaking on this scale, with this kind of investment behind it, will be. There are opportunities for personal expression and creativity everywhere in the process, but to expect these projects to be the uniquely the vision of a core creative personality -- director or otherwise -- just isn't practical.

    That's what irks me about flippant, superficial review comments like "bad screenplay" or anything that tries to lay blame solely at a writer's/director's feet. That reviewer rarely has any idea what that person had to battle through in the making of that film, or how many arguments they were on the right side of and ended up losing along the way.

    Possibly, we’ll never know , but I think he would come up with something more satisfying , with superior action sequences than the one we got.

  • AgentM72 wrote: »

    I keep changing my mind about this. It would be a tough thing to keep secret, for sure. But EON would also want to maximize the announcement for several different reasons: minimizing bad press from the Boyle fallout, building as much hype as possible for the film itself, landing a PR win with the core fans, etc.

    I think it's also worth assuming that EON & co are still smarting from the Sony leaks. It was probably a rather embarrassing episode for them, and presumably they decided afterwards to play their cards very close to the vest for a while.

  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,585
    I feel that is centrally what is so frustrating about the current predicament.

    The longer we wait without news from Eon, the more likely they have abdicated the 2019 slot.

    However, they won’t announce a delay without agreeing a new date first.


    So, we could be looking at a few days (maybe even a few hours) of news that someone has come in to direct and the film is still due for 2019. Alternatively, we could wait well into the new year and stay in the same holding pattern with Bond 25 in the books for 2019 with no realistic chance it’ll meet that date.

    Personally, I’m growing restless of @peter and @ColonelSun non-updates. Firstly, I’m fairly certain they’re the same person and their ‘updates’ are from Variety.
    Well said. What I find baffling is that many people here defend EON when they make mistake after mistake after mistake and attack people who dare to criticize them. It's safe to say most people here do not want Michael Bay to direct Bond 25, but I suspect if EON announced him as the director tomorrow, most people here would try to convince themselves and others what a great choice he is!

    What mistakes? You're suggesting there is a litany of them. Given how well SF and SP performed at the box office, I'm sure a lot of producers and studios would love to take on EON's mistakes.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    TripAces wrote: »
    What mistakes?

    Not hiring Christopher Nolan as director.
    Not hiring Christopher Nolan as director.
    Not hiring Christopher Nolan as director.
    Not hiring Christopher Nolan as director.
    Not hiring Christopher Nolan as director.
    ....

    :P
  • Well said. What I find baffling is that many people here defend EON when they make mistake after mistake after mistake and attack people who dare to criticize them.

    What I find baffling is how remarkably scoldy this thread is. Most of the other threads on this site are a delight - speculation, debate, learning, banter . . . all great.

    But for some reason this thread is 50% members chastising other members for speculating too much, not speculating enough, for being too cynical, being too credulous, not being reverential enough toward some members, the volume of posts, the tone of posts . . . it's all a bit exhausting.
  • talos7 wrote: »

    Possibly, we’ll never know , but I think he would come up with something more satisfying , with superior action sequences than the one we got.

    There's been a suggestion here on the forums that part of the Boyle/Bond fallout was due to the former's unwillingness to up the action ante. Given what seems like the general response to SPECTRE's collective action sequences (subjective as it is), I could see it being the case. And understand why the producers would want that.

    Specific to Bond 25, I've always believed there were two distinct creative success vectors the film could take, given recent shifts in the competitive landscape (Kingsman's explosion in popularity + Mission: Impossible's continued action sequence dominance).

    #1: Purposely dramatically-driven thriller, low stakes and high tension, cleverly written and plotted, very much in the vein of another CR or Skyfall to "complete the tonal triad" in the Craig era, as it were. Purely, distinctly, and uniqely James Bond, in the Flemingian sense we know him.

    #2: Full-born classic cinematic Bond, with the same nostalgic and reverent approach of the last two films but a noteworthy injection of energy and inventiveness into the music, pacing, and action sequences to re-cement 007 as the cinematic spy hero to end all cinematic spy heroes.

    The first option's more interesting to me. If only because my personal feeling is that Craig, with his final film, has earned a unique opportunity in the history of the franchise to experiment. But I'd likely love seeing the second.

    My only real concern is that we could end up with a compromise of the two approaches that ultimately weakens the elements of each.

    Then again, when I'm sitting in the theater next November and those first E-minor chords start twanging -- I'm sure I'll be excited regardless.

  • octofinger wrote: »
    Well said. What I find baffling is that many people here defend EON when they make mistake after mistake after mistake and attack people who dare to criticize them.

    What I find baffling is how remarkably scoldy this thread is. Most of the other threads on this site are a delight - speculation, debate, learning, banter . . . all great.

    But for some reason this thread is 50% members chastising other members for speculating too much, not speculating enough, for being too cynical, being too credulous, not being reverential enough toward some members, the volume of posts, the tone of posts . . . it's all a bit exhausting.

    Not to mention, who is from the UK and who is not.....what if your parents are from the UK, does that mean I can be of the in crowd please? oh please oh please! Come on, pleeease..., like it matters. Some of them caused past members to leave based on their comments and snap-backs.

    When SP came out, I mentioned in one of my posts that James Bond should go through a surgical change of looks, as the story of an OHMSS broke out for Bond 25, this would help fans accept Craig's departure and eventual replacement through a nice, long film to help make up for the years we could have had more great films with him. And not people are arguing over the whole P&W script vs the other guy who left and now the series is possibly at the mercy of directors who've never really had all that much experience before instead of choosing the people who would be passionate and are experienced to come back in their respective roles including Marc Forster, David Arnold, Geofrrey Wright, Dennis Gassner, and the filmographer from Blade Runner.

  • RC7RC7
    edited September 2018 Posts: 10,512
    TripAces wrote: »
    I feel that is centrally what is so frustrating about the current predicament.

    The longer we wait without news from Eon, the more likely they have abdicated the 2019 slot.

    However, they won’t announce a delay without agreeing a new date first.


    So, we could be looking at a few days (maybe even a few hours) of news that someone has come in to direct and the film is still due for 2019. Alternatively, we could wait well into the new year and stay in the same holding pattern with Bond 25 in the books for 2019 with no realistic chance it’ll meet that date.

    Personally, I’m growing restless of @peter and @ColonelSun non-updates. Firstly, I’m fairly certain they’re the same person and their ‘updates’ are from Variety.
    Well said. What I find baffling is that many people here defend EON when they make mistake after mistake after mistake and attack people who dare to criticize them. It's safe to say most people here do not want Michael Bay to direct Bond 25, but I suspect if EON announced him as the director tomorrow, most people here would try to convince themselves and others what a great choice he is!

    What mistakes? You're suggesting there is a litany of them. Given how well SF and SP performed at the box office, I'm sure a lot of producers and studios would love to take on EON's mistakes.

    Mate, you might as well smear your balls in liver and lie naked in a dog pound.
  • I laughed very hard at that, @RC7.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    What mistakes?

    Not hiring Christopher Nolan as director.
    Not hiring Christopher Nolan as director.
    Not hiring Christopher Nolan as director.
    Not hiring Christopher Nolan as director.
    Not hiring Christopher Nolan as director.
    ....

    :P
    RC7 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    I feel that is centrally what is so frustrating about the current predicament.

    The longer we wait without news from Eon, the more likely they have abdicated the 2019 slot.

    However, they won’t announce a delay without agreeing a new date first.


    So, we could be looking at a few days (maybe even a few hours) of news that someone has come in to direct and the film is still due for 2019. Alternatively, we could wait well into the new year and stay in the same holding pattern with Bond 25 in the books for 2019 with no realistic chance it’ll meet that date.

    Personally, I’m growing restless of @peter and @ColonelSun non-updates. Firstly, I’m fairly certain they’re the same person and their ‘updates’ are from Variety.
    Well said. What I find baffling is that many people here defend EON when they make mistake after mistake after mistake and attack people who dare to criticize them. It's safe to say most people here do not want Michael Bay to direct Bond 25, but I suspect if EON announced him as the director tomorrow, most people here would try to convince themselves and others what a great choice he is!

    What mistakes? You're suggesting there is a litany of them. Given how well SF and SP performed at the box office, I'm sure a lot of producers and studios would love to take on EON's mistakes.

    Mate, you might as well smear your balls in liver and lie naked in a dog pound.
    Two toxic comments that add absolutely nothing to the discussion. Seriously, how old are you guys?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Two toxic comments that add absolutely nothing to the discussion. Seriously, how old are you guys?

    You're the one who's been toxic being rude and disagreeable with everyone who thinks differently than you do. You're attacking @peter and @ColonelSun for no reason. Now you're changing your tune because everyone is onto you. You can dish it but now you can't take it. What do you add with your constant assumptions that Nolan will direct Bond 26 acting like you can see into the future?
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
    Posts: 464
    Murdock wrote: »
    Two toxic comments that add absolutely nothing to the discussion. Seriously, how old are you guys?

    You're the one who's been toxic being rude and disagreeable with everyone who thinks differently than you do. You're attacking @peter and @ColonelSun for no reason. Now you're changing your tune because everyone is onto you. You can dish it but now you can't take it. What do you add with your constant assumptions that Nolan will direct Bond 26 acting like you can see into the future?

    Spot on!
  • Posts: 4,619
    Murdock wrote: »
    You're the one who's been toxic being rude and disagreeable with everyone who thinks differently than you do. You're attacking @peter and @ColonelSun for no reason.
    I have never attacked anyone with comments as rude, childish and downright toxic as many of the comments that were aimed at me in the last few weeks. By the way, if I couldn't take it, I would have left a long time ago.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Murdock wrote: »
    You're the one who's been toxic being rude and disagreeable with everyone who thinks differently than you do. You're attacking @peter and @ColonelSun for no reason.
    I have never attacked anyone with comments as rude, childish and downright toxic as many of the comments that were aimed at me in the last few weeks. By the way, if I couldn't take it, I would have left a long time ago.

    Stage 1. denial. :))
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,629
    If only the Bond 25 critics on this thread here would start reading Dynamite Comic's run, there won't be as much trouble on this site.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 9,846
    Agreed I love the Bond comics

    And James Bond returns to video games next month
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    If only the Bond 25 critics on this thread here would start reading Dynamite Comic's run, there won't be as much trouble on this site.

    Or just had a life.
  • Posts: 9,846
    RC7 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    If only the Bond 25 critics on this thread here would start reading Dynamite Comic's run, there won't be as much trouble on this site.

    Or just had a life.

    Shhh I keep telling you it doesn’t exist it’s all the main frame man....
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    Posts: 1,261
    If they do it as a musical, they should hire Damien Chazelle. ;) ;) ;)
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 17,756
    Murdock wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    What mistakes?

    Not hiring Christopher Nolan as director.
    Not hiring Christopher Nolan as director.
    Not hiring Christopher Nolan as director.
    Not hiring Christopher Nolan as director.
    Not hiring Christopher Nolan as director.
    ....

    :P
    RC7 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    I feel that is centrally what is so frustrating about the current predicament.

    The longer we wait without news from Eon, the more likely they have abdicated the 2019 slot.

    However, they won’t announce a delay without agreeing a new date first.


    So, we could be looking at a few days (maybe even a few hours) of news that someone has come in to direct and the film is still due for 2019. Alternatively, we could wait well into the new year and stay in the same holding pattern with Bond 25 in the books for 2019 with no realistic chance it’ll meet that date.

    Personally, I’m growing restless of @peter and @ColonelSun non-updates. Firstly, I’m fairly certain they’re the same person and their ‘updates’ are from Variety.
    Well said. What I find baffling is that many people here defend EON when they make mistake after mistake after mistake and attack people who dare to criticize them. It's safe to say most people here do not want Michael Bay to direct Bond 25, but I suspect if EON announced him as the director tomorrow, most people here would try to convince themselves and others what a great choice he is!

    What mistakes? You're suggesting there is a litany of them. Given how well SF and SP performed at the box office, I'm sure a lot of producers and studios would love to take on EON's mistakes.

    Mate, you might as well smear your balls in liver and lie naked in a dog pound.
    Two toxic comments that add absolutely nothing to the discussion. Seriously, how old are you guys?

    Numerous comments about Nolan directing Bond 26 has nothing to do about this discussion - neither is several comments dismissing a rumoured shortlisted director because of what types of glasses she's wearing. Have a look at your own comments.
    octofinger wrote: »
    AgentM72 wrote: »

    I keep changing my mind about this. It would be a tough thing to keep secret, for sure. But EON would also want to maximize the announcement for several different reasons: minimizing bad press from the Boyle fallout, building as much hype as possible for the film itself, landing a PR win with the core fans, etc.

    I think it's also worth assuming that EON & co are still smarting from the Sony leaks. It was probably a rather embarrassing episode for them, and presumably they decided afterwards to play their cards very close to the vest for a while.

    That wouldn't be surprising.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    You're the one who's been toxic being rude and disagreeable with everyone who thinks differently than you do. You're attacking @peter and @ColonelSun for no reason.
    I have never attacked anyone with comments as rude, childish and downright toxic as many of the comments that were aimed at me in the last few weeks. By the way, if I couldn't take it, I would have left a long time ago.

    Well, you could be of the sadomasochistic persuasion, with a I'll-hit-you-so-you-can-hit-me kind of inclination. You do know what buttons to hit, I'll tell you that.
  • kg54mvpkg54mvp USA
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    C'mon everybody...
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,208
    When I find someone is more toxic than constructive , and a board doesn’t have a “hide” feature, I just skip any post with their name on it.
    I come here to enjoy endure.
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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    talos7 wrote: »
    When I find someone is more toxic than constructive , and a board doesn’t have a “hide” feature, I just skip any post with their name on it.
    I come here to enjoy endure.

    I've started doing so as well; right around about the time accusations of the board being a hierarchy started flying.
  • Posts: 6,709
    MooreFun wrote: »



    ;)
    BTW, wish he was in Bond25, in retrospect it couldn't have been true at that time, right?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,547
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    I think fans assume writing a Bond screenplay is relatively easy? I mean we all know the basic structure, but it's hard to come up with fresh stuff and if you're interested in 'character' (which Babs is) then you have to find a way to delve into Bond's personality but not lessen his macho persona.

    ...

    Basically it all sounds easy in theory - Bond goes on mission, has some action scenes, kisses girl, kills henchman, blows up base, kills bad guy, kisses girl again. The End.

    And then you write the storyline and everyone has their opinion: "change this, add that, blah blah blah" and you end up with a storyline the producers don't like: Hodge's screenplay! It's a minor miracle any big budget film turns out good. I'm guessing there is so much alteration to the screenplays it's a surprise when most of it makes sense and flows well!

    Well put.

    Look at SPECTRE (a Bond film that I personally feel seems to be very underrated). The online armchair narratives would push that it's a "soap opera, family drama, a brother angle that ruins it, awful ending, boring, terrible script" etc. -- basically, as far-stretched as you can take subjective observations.

    Many of those folks might also scream for the return of a 'conventional' Bond film. And yet SPECTRE, to me, seems the most conventional Bond film we've seen in the Craig era. By far.

    -Thrilling pretitles, dropping Bond stylishly in mid-mission.
    -Conventional M 'briefing'.
    -Bond's flat appears.
    -Conventional Q scene.
    -Maybe the most Bondian sequence of locations imaginable: London, Rome, the Alps, the North African desert.
    -Car chase in a beautiful city between a leading-edge Aston Martin and Jaguar
    -Sequence in the most OHMSS-inspired spot on the planet I could imagine
    -Massive story echoes to OHMSS, a fan 'favorite'
    -The return of SPECTRE itself, and Ernst Stavro Blofeld
    -A story that dares to end resonantly for the character

    Now, I can already hear the counterarguments. "It's not the ideas, it's their execution." And you know what? That's perfectly fine. I might even agree with you, in more than a few of those cases.

    But that's exactly my point. Echoing @fanbond123.

    These things are incredibly hard to get right. They're even harder to get done.



    I like Spectre very much and agree with you on almost every point, however, I really dislike the M briefing in the film because of the way Bond speaks to M, which IMO is very disrepectful towards M. I'm a huge fan of literary Bond (as I'm sure most here are) and in my opinion Craig plays a Bond very similar to that of Fleming's from the novels. In this instance however I feel Bond is portrayed very far from the literary Bond.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited September 2018 Posts: 13,790
    To be fair, Fiennes M isn't the crusty admiral from the books like Bernard Lee's M was.

    He's just started in the M position, and is growing into it. Bond is obstinate, and it serves its purpose. M learns during the film that OO7 actually shouldn't tell him everything. At times Bond works in spite of MI6 but always in their interests. If M was aware of it all he himself would be hamstrung from acting when he needs to.

    That should bring a different dynamic to BOND 25. Even so, M getting frustrated by Bond is a staple I expect pretty much every film.
  • I think Ralph Fiennes is a great get for this franchise. Although I miss the Dame Judi's presence.
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