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  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    Kronsteen wrote: »
    If Fleming did it twice in his novels, I can't see the problem with doing it in one film. As long as it's done the same way as Fleming did in FRWL or YOLT. I can't imagine EON would actually kill him off for real, but instead show the "death" ambiguously. It might work as a pretty unique cliff hanger. Still, every movie goer knows Bond will return.

    At least there's no point in getting upset over something we don't even know if it's going to happen. And if they go that route they'll probably and hopefully manage keep it a secret, cause I don't want to know it in advance.
    What´s the difference if you know it in Advance, if you anyhow know he´s going to be back? A Franchise with a recurring hero is by nature not the perfect medium for suggesting any uncertainty of the hero´s Survival. I´m not sure if I would find Bond dying á la FRWL or YOLT catastrophic, but I don´t really see the sense in it. Film works not in the same way literature does. I doubt the ending of one of those two novels would be easily translated onto the big screen.

  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited September 2018 Posts: 3,157
    boldfinger wrote: »
    I´m not sure if I would find Bond dying á la FRWL or YOLT catastrophic, but I don´t really see the sense in it. Film works not in the same way literature does. I doubt the ending of one of those two novels would be easily translated onto the big screen.

    Exactly. What's next, a faithful adaptation of The Spy Who Loved Me, with Bond only showing up 90 minutes into the movie?
  • Ottofuse8Ottofuse8
    Posts: 832
    Continuity. Does. Not. Matter. In. Bond. There are too many inconsistencies, including within the craig era, for continuity to matter. Bond 25 should basically pretend that spectre never happened and reference it only in passing. Kind of like skyfall with quantum of solace, or like so many past instances in the bond series. Nothing has changed with the craig era, except they started from the beginning of bond’s career in cr, which was the right move. But this doesn’t mean that we have to suddenly care about continuity. The craig era is hardly the first instance where eon have attempted to insert continuity into the bond series, although it is the most explicit (and not the most successful). The next actor’s tenure should begin with a soft reboot, with no explicit mention of where he fits in the continuity, but retaining characters from the craig era.
  • RC7RC7
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    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Continuity. Does. Not. Matter. In. Bond. There are too many inconsistencies, including within the craig era, for continuity to matter. Bond 25 should basically pretend that spectre never happened and reference it only in passing. Kind of like skyfall with quantum of solace, or like so many past instances in the bond series. Nothing has changed with the craig era, except they started from the beginning of bond’s career in cr, which was the right move. But this doesn’t mean that we have to suddenly care about continuity. The craig era is hardly the first instance where eon have attempted to insert continuity into the bond series, although it is the most explicit (and not the most successful). The next actor’s tenure should begin with a soft reboot, with no explicit mention of where he fits in the continuity, but retaining characters from the craig era.

    It’s not about continuity.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,359
    "Killing off" the main character didn't work in the Batman trilogy either. There was no drama in it; you just knew he was alive. (Hint: no studio is going to kill the golden goose.)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    echo wrote: »
    "Killing off" the main character didn't work in the Batman trilogy either. There was no drama in it; you just knew he was alive. (Hint: no studio is going to kill the golden goose.)

    Just look at how many different versions of Spider-Man there have been lately. Certain characters are just complete cashcows, that killing them off just seems pointless. You know they will be back in a couple of years anyway.
  • RC7RC7
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    "Killing off" the main character didn't work in the Batman trilogy either. There was no drama in it; you just knew he was alive. (Hint: no studio is going to kill the golden goose.)

    Just look at how many different versions of Spider-Man there have been lately. Certain characters are just complete cashcows, that killing them off just seems pointless. You know they will be back in a couple of years anyway.

    When was the last Spider-Man who’d had the gig for 12 years?
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    Bond won't be dying in a Bond film. Full stop.
  • dramaticscenesofQOSdramaticscenesofQOS
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    There needs to be a morbid Bond movie, not necessarily with his death but one that emphasizes the true nature of his work. While SF delved into his self-destructive behavior and the villain was disturbed, there is an element of horror not seen in prior films. While Sam Mendes is known to have funeral shots, most of them are of characters that weren't really known and were simply used as plot-advancing devices.

    It would work for either an end or even a beginning of someone's career in the franchise.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    dramaticscenesofQOS wrote: »
    an element of horror not seen in prior films...It would work for either an end or even a beginning of someone's career in the franchise.

    The Garden of Death, perhaps?
  • dramaticscenesofQOSdramaticscenesofQOS
    Posts: 1,282
    echo wrote: »
    dramaticscenesofQOS wrote: »
    an element of horror not seen in prior films...It would work for either an end or even a beginning of someone's career in the franchise.

    The Garden of Death, perhaps?

    That would be suitable. The score for it would have to play out subtly almost like an opera or ongoing funeral procession.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Hmm. So if I have this right, they returned to the Purvis and Wade script once Boyle left? I remember hearing yonks ago that the Purvis and Wade script was to be based on the YOLT novel, to conclude the Blofeld story. If that's the case, and they are returning to that script, maybe we could see Craig go out with an Fleming adaptation like he began.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Hmm. So if I have this right, they returned to the Purvis and Wade script once Boyle left? I remember hearing yonks ago that the Purvis and Wade script was to be based on the YOLT novel, to conclude the Blofeld story. If that's the case, and they are returning to that script, maybe we could see Craig go out with an Fleming adaptation like he began.

    Hopefully Fleming plays a huge role, and mixed with this director's abundance of sickening talent-- it would make one helluva Bond film. One for the ages.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    Waltz may be back as blofeld after all
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,853
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Waltz may be back as blofeld after all

    If he is I would love it esspecially as some were so Adamant that it wouldn’t happen
  • dramaticscenesofQOSdramaticscenesofQOS
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    Afterall, this director is known to have wanted to make IT more scary than usual.....@peter
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    But this director likes new challenges, and do other things besides the darkest of stories. I'm not concerned.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    dramaticscenesofQOS wrote: »
    Afterall, this director is known to have wanted to make IT more scary than usual.....@peter

    I like that. And I do think he is a man that pushes the envelope— check out BONN...
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I doubt he will make Bond into anything like his other work, to be honest.
    I do feel he will do realistic action, drama, and storytelling very well indeed.
    I expect visually for it to be very compelling.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,592
    4EverBonded wrote: »
    I doubt he will make Bond into anything like his other work, to be honest.
    I do feel he will do realistic action, drama, and storytelling very well indeed.
    I expect visually for it to be very compelling.
    In addition to all that, I fully expect the film to delve into Bond's psyche. We won't have a one-dimensional man shooting bad guys and merely going about his job. If any of Fukunaga's previous work is to go by, we'll be getting something deep, grounded, and a mission that will deal with a very relevant world issue.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    My feeling is if Fukunaga plays in EoN’s sandbox, he will have a creative voice. Why else would they hire such a powerhouse? Flipside is: why would he accept?

    It’s like when they chased DC for the role. He didn’t want to play the role as it had been done before and walked away; yet here he is, twelve years later; the actor who has a co-producing credit that hired a director and assists in the cast work (Eva and Bardem).

    They need Fukunaga for a reason... They could have got any workman director out, and yes-man, but they went for this screamingly loud talent.

    Knowing Fukunaga is not a yes-man, this hints that they are going for something big with 25.

    Just my two cents.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Yes I think surely Cary and EON have come to some sort of general agreement as to the tone and direction of the film.

    It won't be a Moore type, or Spectre type film. But I do think Cary will give us a great story, and that will include lighter moments and good dialog, along with thoughtful scenes. But I don't think it will be extremely dark or psychologically brooding.
  • JamesStockJamesStock
    Posts: 572
    4EverBonded wrote: »
    Yes I think surely Cary and EON have come to some sort of general agreement as to the tone and direction of the film.

    It won't be a Moore type, or Spectre type film. But I do think Cary will give us a great story, and that will include lighter moments and good dialog, along with thoughtful scenes. But I don't think it will be extremely dark or psychologically brooding.

    Sign me up!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    I remember hearing yonks ago that the Purvis and Wade script was to be based on the YOLT novel, to conclude the Blofeld story..

    Speculation.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    4EverBonded wrote: »
    Yes I think surely Cary and EON have come to some sort of general agreement as to the tone and direction of the film.

    It won't be a Moore type, or Spectre type film. But I do think Cary will give us a great story, and that will include lighter moments and good dialog, along with thoughtful scenes. But I don't think it will be extremely dark or psychologically brooding.

    Yes, I think 25 will be grounded, visceral, thrilling in its story-telling (so far he's done nothing but in the genres he's worked in (and Maniac gave him many genres to dabble in!)). And my hope is that the humour will also be grounded, and not some quip/one-liner that seems unnatural in the DC Bond world.

    Fukunaga has displayed very rich talents as a filmmaker, and one of those talents seems to be pulling great performances out of every single actor he works with. And those actors are always blessed with elite material to draw from. So the B25 shooting script will be in excellent shape when cameras roll, with what I'm guessing will be a final pass by Fukunuga. And watch out for the casting-- his leads are anything but typical.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    dramaticscenesofQOS wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    dramaticscenesofQOS wrote: »
    an element of horror not seen in prior films...It would work for either an end or even a beginning of someone's career in the franchise.

    The Garden of Death, perhaps?

    That would be suitable. The score for it would have to play out subtly almost like an opera or ongoing funeral procession.
    Are you saying you want to pay for watching a 2 hour funeral procession at the Cinema?

  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    peter wrote: »
    Knowing Fukunaga is not a yes-man, this hints that they are going for something big with 25.
    Wether big or not, IMO it hints at them expecting creative invigoration from the blending of Forces. They could go for something big as well with a yes-man, if they had a clear plan.

  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    ringfire211 wrote: »
    I find it quite shocking that some folks are seriously cool with Bond being killed ESPECIALLY if there’s more Bond films in the future. I see comments like “well I’d be okay with it if we get a quality film out of it”. Really??!! We’re so desperate that we need to kill our hero in order to get a quality film??! Does it not smell of extreme desperation to anyone?!! If Bond’s death is the only thing that can guarantee a quality film then I’m afraid it’s time to hang things up for good and just end the series. Clearly we’ve run out of ideas and running on fumes. I never thought asking for an entertaining quality film and keeping Bond alive (James Bond Will Return...) was too much to ask for. Or is that just too “old hat” nowadays and not daring enough?? I’m sorry but I prefer “old hat” if the alternative is crazy ideas. We already got a crazy idea with Bro-Feld and how did that turn out?

    Bottom line - Bond DOES NOT die. James Bond will return....

    Even if it was the last film in the series Bond should NOT die. Sorry but my heroes don’t die. That’s the whole point of the series - that Bond prevails against all odds. Only Father Time can take him (and I don’t need to see that either).

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  • GetafixGetafix
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    I have a good feeling about Fukunaga. As much as I like Boyle, I have to admit he didn't seem the best fit for Bond. I like the fact Fukunaga is a writer and that he's demonstrated time and again that he is focused on plot/story. The reason I like Boyle is that he also puts an emphasis on telling a gripping and coherent story. But Fukunaga brings a darker and more thrillerish sensibility, with some impressive action sequences under his belt. It's a good choice by EON. They've broken the idiotic ban on American directors.

    I think Fukunaga will bring a freshness we haven't had since CR and QoS, which will be very welcome.

    Doubtless some fans will end up being unhappy. I think Craig and EON really want this to be a different Bond film. There's going to be some psychological dimension to it I sense. They may or may not be intended a faithful YOLT adaptation, but I think even if it's not a page for page adaptation it's going to draw on some of the themes from that novel - the mental and psychological toll on Bond. It's obvious that this is what they will do, given the overall trajectory of the Craig era.

    SP was their lacklustre attempt at an old school Bond extravaganza, but because it had an utterly forgettable plot, it failed to launch and just sits there as a bloated and rather dull entry.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    My hope is Bond 25 is a mixture of Casino Royale And Quantum of Solace

    But I have been hoping that since Quantum of Solace ended

    (Along with hoping each film was named after a short story but that is neither here nor there)
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