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  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I'll be doing backflips if Arnold ever returns as composer.
    Me too, even if I'm nowhere near as critical of Newman as others.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Writing’s on the Wall winning an Oscar illustrates what a profoundly flawed, political organization the Academy is.
    As far as scores of the Craig era, Arnold’s scores overwhelmingly dominate Newman’s ; both CR and QoS were fresh, textured and 100% Bond.
  • RC7RC7
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    I’m all for reinvigoration and innovation, but you can still depend on certain talent. DA just gets Bond. He’s the Martin Campbell of Bond composers. It’s about assembling a balance of talent.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    Exactly. When it comes to Bond, David Arnold is probably the most passionate among the composers.

    However, if he doesn't get the job now, his Bond career is probably over.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I think it's safe to say that Bond music has gone from strength to strength since Arnold's departure.

    No.

    +1
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    Fukunaga is the one who will decide who will score Bond 25. Barbara can not affort to lose their new director. Fukunaga essentially has more power over Bond 25 than any Bond director had over any Bond film before.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Fukunaga is the one who will decide who will score Bond 25. Barbara can not affort to lose their new director. Fukunaga essentially has more power over Bond 25 than any Bond director had over any Bond film before.

    Slight correction: Daniel Craig has more power than any Bond actor/person has ever had before.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    jake24 wrote: »
    I'll be doing backflips if Arnold ever returns as composer.
    Me too, even if I'm nowhere near as critical of Newman as others.

    It wasn't until after SP that I realized how much I wanted Arnold to return. Newman's work on Skyfall was fantastic, however. So I can't say I'm all that critical of Newman either. It's just that I genuinely want to hear new Bond music from Arnold.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited October 2018 Posts: 10,591
    jake24 wrote: »
    I'll be doing backflips if Arnold ever returns as composer.
    Me too, even if I'm nowhere near as critical of Newman as others.

    It wasn't until after SP that I realized how much I wanted Arnold to return. Newman's work on Skyfall was fantastic, however. So I can't say I'm all that critical of Newman either. It's just that I genuinely want to hear new Bond music from Arnold.
    Agreed. A new composer is a gamble, but hearing a fresh take wouldn't be so bad either.

    Fukunaga is the one who will decide who will score Bond 25. Barbara can not affort to lose their new director. Fukunaga essentially has more power over Bond 25 than any Bond director had over any Bond film before.
    I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. They can't afford to screw up again.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Damn. I'll be sixty before this movie come out. Oh well, whatever. It'll never get better than Dalton anyway. ;)
  • RC7RC7
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    Fukunaga is the one who will decide who will score Bond 25. Barbara can not affort to lose their new director. Fukunaga essentially has more power over Bond 25 than any Bond director had over any Bond film before.

    He’ll certainly have a say re. composer, but Barbara will have final say on Title Artist.
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Fukunaga is the one who will decide who will score Bond 25. Barbara can not affort to lose their new director. Fukunaga essentially has more power over Bond 25 than any Bond director had over any Bond film before.

    He’ll certainly have a say re. composer, but Barbara will have final say on Title Artist.

    And if Beyonce comes knocking................. I am sure she'll get the job.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Fukunaga is the one who will decide who will score Bond 25. Barbara can not affort to lose their new director. Fukunaga essentially has more power over Bond 25 than any Bond director had over any Bond film before.

    He’ll certainly have a say re. composer, but Barbara will have final say on Title Artist.

    Agreed. Though after the last shambles of a song, I'd be happy if Fukunaga had some ideas for artists. I suppose this is all irrelevant at the moment, though.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    I don't get why people keep talking about "Newman's two scores" when in reality he only made one and a half.

    As far as I'm concerned, I would love it if Giacchino scored a Bond movie (I said this before). I watched Incredibles 2 last week and was amazed by how Barry-like some tracks sounded. His scores are often energetic and thematically rich.

    If not him, then Arnold of course. QoS' has to be my #2 favourite Bond score and so far Arnold proved he only gets better with time. Imagine how better SPECTRE would have been if his Vesper and Quantum themes had been used to link the movies together. Too bad.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Walecs wrote: »
    I don't get why people keep talking about "Newman's two scores" when in reality he only made one and a half.

    As far as I'm concerned, I would love it if Giacchino scored a Bond movie (I said this before). I watched Incredibles 2 last week and was amazed by how Barry-like some tracks sounded. His scores are often energetic and thematically rich.

    If not him, then Arnold of course. QoS' has to be my #2 favourite Bond score and so far Arnold proved he only gets better with time. Imagine how better SPECTRE would have been if his Vesper and Quantum themes had been used to link the movies together. Too bad.
    +1. Well said, sir.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I was sorely disappointed with Newman in both his Bond films.
    Of course I understand Barbara will decide on the theme song. I just hope I like it.
    But that is aside from the actual composer of the film.

    I'm very interested in learning about the composer, but I don't know how soon to expect news on that. I'd very happy if David Arnold returned, and perhaps with another additional person assisting. I'm going to try to trust Cary anyway, but Arnold would be reassuring to me.
  • One thing I remember was that Newman wasn't announced at the press conference of SF, he came on board later on. Or at least confirmed afterwards. It was still assumed it would be David Arnold until Newman was announced as the composer.

    Yes. It came out in January 2012.

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    Walecs wrote: »
    I don't get why people keep talking about "Newman's two scores" when in reality he only made one and a half.

    As far as I'm concerned, I would love it if Giacchino scored a Bond movie (I said this before). I watched Incredibles 2 last week and was amazed by how Barry-like some tracks sounded. His scores are often energetic and thematically rich.

    If not him, then Arnold of course. QoS' has to be my #2 favourite Bond score and so far Arnold proved he only gets better with time. Imagine how better SPECTRE would have been if his Vesper and Quantum themes had been used to link the movies together. Too bad.

    Nice point. Perhaps the whole Craig continuity would have worked better if Arnold had been scoring SF and SP with a few subtle references to CR and QOS.

    And think what he'd have done with Adele and Smith's songs by working them into the scores. Both films would have been elevated to another level.

    Newman's scores are so lifeless- particularly in SF it just sucks the energy off the screen
  • DrClatterhandDrClatterhand United Kingdom
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    I think Newman's score for Skyfall is very good. The Bernard Hermannesque music in the Shanghai section is fantastic. Severine's theme is beautifully haunting too. I like the fact it's not bombastic and brassy, as I think that would be a little jarring in the Craig era. When Bond reboots we'll get all the usual tropes and a more classic score. I think this is EoN's plan: give folk exactly what's expected, having had this experimental era.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2018 Posts: 12,480
    I find only parts of Skyfall good musically; very few. Severine's theme yes, and Jellyfish and the entrance by boat to the casino (I forget what that section is called) - though I read he did not really have much input with that part. I still wish the theme song had been woven throughout more often.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I just hope whoever composes Bond 25 uses the Bond theme during some action sequences and gives us something that doesn't sound like a Hans Zimmer pastiche. And hopefully they will use a new arrangement of the Bond theme at the end credits instead of the same CR version for the forth time.
    Hear, hear!

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    I find only parts of Skyfall good musically; very few. Severine's theme yes, and Jellyfish and the entrance by boat to the casino (I forget what that section is called) - though I read he did not really have much input with that part. I still wish the theme song had been woven throughout more often.

    Yes I remember my interest in the score momentarily increasing during that arrival at the casino sequence. Newman's arranger wrote that part of the film score as Newman himself felt it was beneath his soaring talent.


    It's a crying shame Newman refused to work the Adele song into the rest of the score. A crime in fact.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    edited October 2018 Posts: 4,341
    If I am not mistaken, the director chooses the composer (with EON's agreement) and EON chooses the singer/band for the title track. At least that is my understanding from SF and SP.

    With all respect for Arnold, I think his time for Bond is gone and there are enough talented composers that burn to bring their own ideas to the franchise. If we look back, the composers for TSWLM and GE were certainly the odd choices and maybe have (or have not) stood the test of time, but they contributed to the overall character of the film.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    zebrafish wrote: »
    If we look back, the composers for TSWLM and GE were certainly the odd choices and maybe have (or have not) stood the test of time, but they contributed to the overall character of the film.

    I feel like Newman did this with SF as well, but SP was one time too many. Just the same as if Hamlisch had scored MR and (especially) Serra had scored TND.

    So I'm open to something fresh and different for Craig's last outing. On the other hand, it would also be fitting for Arnold to bookend his tenure. I really don't care so long as it's not Newman, which is pretty much a given.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
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    First of all it'll be the next James Bond adventure. And yes, it'll be Daniel Craig's last outing, too. As a fan of DC and with all respect to what he contributed to the franchise I hope it doesn't influence the upcoming film too much.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Newman's Bond work for the most part really sucked. Hope he never ever returns.
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Newman's Bond work for the most part really sucked. Hope he never ever returns.

    I can’t help but agree...

    I would take almost any other major composer....


    I know it’s a long shot but could John Williams do it I always felt he was the one composer who should of done a bond film but never did and I have no idea why.
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Newman's Bond work for the most part really sucked. Hope he never ever returns.
    I like quite a lot of bits and pieces, but I loathe that that's basically what it is, bits and pieces. There's hardly any building of themes. One moment there is one theme, the next moment another, taking the flow of the action apart.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited October 2018 Posts: 2,541
    Bond's score is supposed to build tension & excitement but Newman's score get a lot confusing making it forgettable.
  • Newman's work during the "Tennyson" sequence in SF is so good that it almost makes up for all his other sins. I often play one of those "Would you rather?" games in my mind where I ask myself: Would you rather have that brilliant scene with that brilliant score and the rest of his music be crap, or have a solidly good score for the rest of that film and SP and have that moment be mediocre? I still don't have an answer.
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