No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Remington wrote: »
    I'd love another QoS but with CR's subtlety and balance.
    I wish that's how the entire Craig era was.
    And that's how it should've been, in my opinion.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
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    Remington wrote: »
    I'd love another QoS but with CR's subtlety and balance.
    I wish that's how the entire Craig era was.
    And that's how it should've been, in my opinion.

    Agreed.

  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    It ain't over yet.
  • I'd love another QoS but with CR's subtlety and balance.

    Agreed and cinematography like skyfall
    +1!
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Live and Let Die, Ian Fleming, 1954.
    Chapter Two - Interview with M

    ...
    'I'd like to meet him,' said Bond. Then he added, mildly, 'I'd like to meet any member of SMERSH.'

    'All right then, Bond. Take it away.' M handed him the thick brown folder. 'Talk it over with Plender and Damon. Be ready to start in a week. It's a joint CIA and FBI job. For God's sake don't step on the FBI's toes. Covered with corns. Good luck.'

    Bond had gone straight down to Commander Damon, Head of Station A, an alert Canadian who controlled the link with the Central Intelligence Agency, America's Secret Service.

    Damon looked up from his desk. 'I see you've bought it,' he said, looking at the folder. 'Thought you would. Sit down,' he waved to an armchair beside the electric fire. 'When you've waded through it all, I'll fill in the gaps.'

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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Christopher Plummer joins Daniel Craig, Chris Evans, Lakeith Stanfield, Michael Shannon, Toni Collette, Don Johnson, Jamie Lee Curtis and Ana de Armas in Knives Out.
  • edited November 2018 Posts: 4,409
    Cary Fukunaga won an award at the Indiewire awards last night. Perhaps a perfect time to get some tips from Ryan Coogler (Bond 26, please) and start casting Bond 25?
    https://www.indiewire.com/2018/11/indiewire-honors-natalie-portman-alfonso-cuaron-ryan-coogler-1202017497/

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    Ryan Coogler (Bond 26, please)
    I will personally start WW3 if they won't give BOND 26 to the great Chris Nolan.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    .Glad Cary won an award. This just keeps adding up to confirm he has the talent, attitude, and desire to make a really great Bond film. Not in imitation of any before, but with respect to Fleming and the past Bond films. I'm still elated we have Cary. I was just pleased and hopeful (but vague) regarding Boyle. This is a different ballgame, and all so affirmative so far.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    And I really like Charlize Theron. I'd love her in a Bond film, in any role.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Ryan Coogler (Bond 26, please)
    I will personally start WW3 if they won't give BOND 26 to the great Chris Nolan.

    Pipe down, @Panchito.
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    Ryan Coogler (Bond 26, please)
    I will personally start WW3 if they won't give BOND 26 to the great Chris Nolan.

    Uh huh well I look forward to seeing you try

  • brinkeguthriebrinkeguthrie Piz Gloria
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    And I really like Charlize Theron. I'd love her in a Bond film, in any role.

    I remember seeing her in Atomic Blonde and, although I like her, her performance was pretty...well it was good but her character itself was quite, bland per se...

    Charlize, absolutely. I've long wanted Beckinsale in there, too.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Ryan Coogler (Bond 26, please)
    I will personally start WW3 if they won't give BOND 26 to the great Chris Nolan.

    Better yet, If they don’t give it to “Chris” Nolan then you should start a go fund me and make your own bond film.
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    I'd love a Bond reference to some psychotic US President that needs dealing with.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Calm down.
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    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I'd love a Bond reference to some psychotic US President that needs dealing with.
    Doctor Who is already doing that. And failing miserably because of its condescending tone. Please keep current world politics out of Bond and make something for the ages. Even Fleming used smersh so he wouldn't use the KGB.

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    Calm down.
    Yes, please.
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    Univex wrote: »
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I'd love a Bond reference to some psychotic US President that needs dealing with.
    Doctor Who is already doing that. And failing miserably because of its condescending tone. Please keep current world politics out of Bond and make something for the ages. Even Fleming used smersh so he wouldn't use the KGB.
    I'm glad your straightened out @LeChiffre on the political matter, so I didn't have to @Univex. I concur with everything you just said.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    I've always thought that it's stupid to include a political agenda in any popular media. Regardless of which side you take, you always end up alienating the other half of your audience.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Univex wrote: »
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I'd love a Bond reference to some psychotic US President that needs dealing with.
    Doctor Who is already doing that. And failing miserably because of its condescending tone. Please keep current world politics out of Bond and make something for the ages. Even Fleming used smersh so he wouldn't use the KGB.

    Agreed. No Trump/Putin references please.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    When there's an entertainment piece in the making, one should leave his or her political agendas and social justice warrior fantasies at the doorstep, whatever his worldview may be, left or right, up or down and else. Otherwise, just go and watch tons of propaganda films constantly being made by the likes of Michael Moore and Dinesh D'Souza as well as others... or better yet, attend a mental institute to earn a psychological cure in order not to get offended by every single political climate that doesn't align with your own. That goes for everyone. People have endured past tenures and most have come out normal. The current one isn't any different.

    James Bond is an entertainment medium. If you (people in general) want to enforce your worldview upon it and force it down other people's throats, then you maybe shouldn't be here at all. Bond deals with common threats as an in-fiction element. Not what the left sees as bad, or the right sees as threatening. The "better red than dead" fanatics and the "bomb Moscow right now" fanatics alike don't belong in this genre. Reserve your political discussions for elsewhere.
  • The issue with being too politically-sensitive is that you alienate a huge part of your commerciality.

    The thought of Bond going up against a rogue President is terrific conceptually. But you have to remember the reason he is President is due to people voting for him in the first place, the same people you hope buy a ticket.

    There's a huge divide these days between young people and older people. Both the new Doctor Who and Star Wars franchises are perfect examples. They are both old franchises that have been given a new lick of paint in a socially-conscious era. Whilst people have loved them, there is a contingent of "true fans" from the good old days who are being distanced.

    Everything is political these days, and arguably the Bond films have been made by liberals for years now. Fukunaga is no different. He's called himself an activist and made two "issues" films in Sin Nombre (which is v topical suddenly) and Beasts of No Nation.

    I imagine politics will appear in Bond 25, after all SP was v pro-Snowden. But Eon won't let it overwhelm the story. The film will primarily be about Daniel Craig's Bond going through some other existential crisis - and it won't be him contemplating voting leave or remain.

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    I love the image.. I agree to an extent look the best bond films took from modern day but they always made it ficticious enough to not feel dated or upset anyone

    Look at Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace Bond could of easily went up against al qadia or any other terroist organization but instead they went up against Quantum a ficticious organization. Hell Greene’s speech toward the end of Quantum points out an apolitical vibe that is more meta then in film
    “We work with the left and the right.”

    Don’t show me a rogue president show me a shadow organization playing the president for a fool and tricking him (or her) into believing false info. Don’t show me a bond film dealing with mass migration in Europe but a shadow organization using thst to its advantage in on way or another.

    Again I would be more happy with a “remake” of Tomorrow Never Dies (as I truely believe the 24 hour news cycle does far more harm then good at least in America) then of Michael Moore’s 11/9 transposed into a bond film.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I think the Bond films are allowed a comfortable measure of geopolitical spice, provided they know where to draw the line. In the '80s, for example, it was okay to demonise the Russians, and yet even then, détente was always but a kiss away. Even at the peak of the Cold War, the films kept steering in the direction of "safe", and that's good. In the end, Bond mostly fights private concerns or rogue generals. These somewhat otherworldly characters contribute to the aura of romantic adventures the Bond films are still best known for.

    Things like Trump, Brexit, Poetin, ... are far too sensitive (today) to be just openly addressed in Bond 25. I really don't think it would be very wise to go there.

    1) We usually don't take too kindly to filmmakers who try to settle personal scores in a mainstream film they expect millions around the globe to see. It's arrogant, pretentious and generally unpleasant.

    2) Also, if they want us to talk and think about socio-political topics, like Michael Moore did with Fahrenheit 9/11, they should definitely not use a Bond film as a vessel for that. Bond films can be used to discuss personal conflicts, or--you know what?--nothing at all. There's nothing wrong with an old-fashioned bit of simple, straightforward fun without deeper layers of soul-seeking and emotional contemplation. In any case, Bond films do not offer the proper medium via which Twitter discussions about Trump and Brexit can be fed. Even Fleming, who enjoyed dragging history and politics into his stories, knew exactly when to surf a different wave for our enjoyment.

    3) Lastly, when I watch a Bond film, I expect joy, fun, escapism. I want to run away from the burdens of this crazy world, from Average Joe twittering his rocks off about stuff he doesn't understand, from sub-humans like Trump and Farage, from disturbingly sensational newspaper headlines and foolish clickbait, ... I want to get a piece of the very thing that continues to make the Bond films unique, which is the very opposite of having my nose rubbed in this world's faeces.
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    =bg= wrote: »
    And I really like Charlize Theron. I'd love her in a Bond film, in any role.

    I remember seeing her in Atomic Blonde and, although I like her, her performance was pretty...well it was good but her character itself was quite, bland per se...

    Charlize, absolutely. I've long wanted Beckinsale in there, too.

    Both would be suitable for the Craig era too, as they are closer to his age than Seydoux for example.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    …. détente was always but a kiss away….
    Pure Poetry, @DD, you should write a Bond song :-).

    Very good post, I find myself agreeing very much. What we shouldn´t Forget however is the enormous potential for Inspiration a character like Trump offers, completely regardless of his political qualities. It would be absolutely possible to create a Bond villain on the template of Trump, without aping him or commenting in any way on him politically.
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    I have to disagree with you on this @boldfinger. How would you propose to use a character like Trump as a template as a Bond villain without aping him or commenting in any way on him politically? I think the comparison would be an obvious one.
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    bondsum wrote: »
    I have to disagree with you on this @boldfinger. How would you propose to use a character like Trump as a template as a Bond villain without aping him or commenting in any way on him politically? I think the comparison would be an obvious one.
    Take a character that´s obviously narcissistic, give him Maybe an overdone hairstyle not in blond, and a typical Agenda of a Bond villain, and you can have a very effective yet apolitical Opponent. I would agree that blond hair and spray tan would be too obvious.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    We did have a Trump-like character who was a villain. His name is Goldfinger.
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