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  • ringfire211ringfire211
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    When there's an entertainment piece in the making, one should leave his or her political agendas and social justice warrior fantasies at the doorstep, whatever his worldview may be, left or right, up or down and else. Otherwise, just go and watch tons of propaganda films constantly being made by the likes of Michael Moore and Dinesh D'Souza as well as others... or better yet, attend a mental institute to earn a psychological cure in order not to get offended by every single political climate that doesn't align with your own. That goes for everyone. People have endured past tenures and most have come out normal. The current one isn't any different.

    James Bond is an entertainment medium. If you (people in general) want to enforce your worldview upon it and force it down other people's throats, then you maybe shouldn't be here at all. Bond deals with common threats as an in-fiction element. Not what the left sees as bad, or the right sees as threatening. The "better red than dead" fanatics and the "bomb Moscow right now" fanatics alike don't belong in this genre. Reserve your political discussions for elsewhere.
    Well said. The liberal media would have us believe the sky is falling since Trump took office. But nothing has changed and we can still go to bed peacefully at night and wake up happy in the morning. Nothing but negative sound bytes from the media.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    When there's an entertainment piece in the making, one should leave his or her political agendas and social justice warrior fantasies at the doorstep, whatever his worldview may be, left or right, up or down and else. Otherwise, just go and watch tons of propaganda films constantly being made by the likes of Michael Moore and Dinesh D'Souza as well as others... or better yet, attend a mental institute to earn a psychological cure in order not to get offended by every single political climate that doesn't align with your own. That goes for everyone. People have endured past tenures and most have come out normal. The current one isn't any different.

    James Bond is an entertainment medium. If you (people in general) want to enforce your worldview upon it and force it down other people's throats, then you maybe shouldn't be here at all. Bond deals with common threats as an in-fiction element. Not what the left sees as bad, or the right sees as threatening. The "better red than dead" fanatics and the "bomb Moscow right now" fanatics alike don't belong in this genre. Reserve your political discussions for elsewhere.
    Well said. The liberal media would have us believe the sky is falling since Trump took office. But nothing has changed and we can still go to bed peacefully at night and wake up happy in the morning. Nothing but negative sound bytes from the media.
    Precisely. You've hit the nail right on the head, mate.
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,846
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    When there's an entertainment piece in the making, one should leave his or her political agendas and social justice warrior fantasies at the doorstep, whatever his worldview may be, left or right, up or down and else. Otherwise, just go and watch tons of propaganda films constantly being made by the likes of Michael Moore and Dinesh D'Souza as well as others... or better yet, attend a mental institute to earn a psychological cure in order not to get offended by every single political climate that doesn't align with your own. That goes for everyone. People have endured past tenures and most have come out normal. The current one isn't any different.

    James Bond is an entertainment medium. If you (people in general) want to enforce your worldview upon it and force it down other people's throats, then you maybe shouldn't be here at all. Bond deals with common threats as an in-fiction element. Not what the left sees as bad, or the right sees as threatening. The "better red than dead" fanatics and the "bomb Moscow right now" fanatics alike don't belong in this genre. Reserve your political discussions for elsewhere.
    Well said. The liberal media would have us believe the sky is falling since Trump took office. But nothing has changed and we can still go to bed peacefully at night and wake up happy in the morning. Nothing but negative sound bytes from the media.

    Hence my view on a "remake" of Tomorrow Never Dies
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,179
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    Well said. The liberal media would have us believe the sky is falling since Trump took office. But nothing has changed and we can still go to bed peacefully at night and wake up happy in the morning. Nothing but negative sound bytes from the media.

    Don't worry, the changes will be felt over time. I have no affiliation with the Liberal media, but it's clear to me that Trump is a frightened, senile old man whose politics, if you can call 'em that, belong in de 18th century. That said, not a discussion I want to have in this thread.

    Again, Trump must neither be mentioned nor hinted at in the next couple of Bond films and preferably never. As a topic, Trump is "unclean", not suited for the entertainment factor the Bonds are known to provide.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,208
    So, are all Trump supporters “unclean”
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Apparently.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,179
    @talos7
    @ClarkDevlin

    Read again, fellas. I never mentioned anything about Trump supporters being unclean. But to make sure you get the point, allow me to rephrase:

    1) As an issue, a topic, a subject of conversation, a plot element, something, ...
    2) in a Bond film

    indeed, Trump is not clean, not safe, not welcome. The filmmakers are not exactly going to be rewarded for pulling him into their story. My point is that from a commercial perspective, it's wisest to leave Trump, and polarizing politics in general, out of your Bond film.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,208
    Kimbras_Madhouse wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    So, are all Trump supporters “unclean”

    Well no, I have a good friend who's a supporter and we're best friends. But recent news like....the....hm how do I say this without being banned?

    Guys with truck, shipped bad things, the van has crazy stickers on it representing who he supports....your guess is as good as mine.

    You are kidding, right? A Bernie supporter opened fire on a group of Republican Senators nearly Kill one, using your logic he represents all Bernie supporters. What a myopic way of looking at this

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Guys, we already have a thread for politics. Perhaps we should take it there.

    I agree with the position that current politics should stay the heck away from a Bond film. I'm sure the filmmakers are smart enough to realize this. After all, that's how they've done things up to now and it's worked out just fine.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited November 2018 Posts: 24,179
    Guys, let's return to Bond, please.
    We have our World Events Thread a.k.a. the Twitter thread for that.
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,846
    And all this political boo ya has what to do with bond 25
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    Posts: 6,844
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    When there's an entertainment piece in the making, one should leave his or her political agendas and social justice warrior fantasies at the doorstep, whatever his worldview may be, left or right, up or down and else. Otherwise, just go and watch tons of propaganda films constantly being made by the likes of Michael Moore and Dinesh D'Souza as well as others... or better yet, attend a mental institute to earn a psychological cure in order not to get offended by every single political climate that doesn't align with your own. That goes for everyone. People have endured past tenures and most have come out normal. The current one isn't any different.

    James Bond is an entertainment medium. If you (people in general) want to enforce your worldview upon it and force it down other people's throats, then you maybe shouldn't be here at all. Bond deals with common threats as an in-fiction element. Not what the left sees as bad, or the right sees as threatening. The "better red than dead" fanatics and the "bomb Moscow right now" fanatics alike don't belong in this genre. Reserve your political discussions for elsewhere.

    Precisely. And it doesn't even have to do with which side you're on, in my opinion. I think of the recent Jurassic World sequel with its Trump caricature of a villain running around with an awful orange toupee flopping up and down on his head and congratulating his "friends" the Russians, and another scumbag character scowling "What a nasty woman" re: one of the female characters. There's nothing insightful about this or even anything remotely funny, and when you revisit the film ten or twenty years down the road it's all going to be horribly dated. The bottom line is: when I go to see a Jurassic Park film, I'm going purely for the entertainment. I don't want to be reminded of Donald Trump while I'm watching dinosaurs eat people. I just want to watch dinosaurs eat people.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited November 2018 Posts: 8,208
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @talos7
    @ClarkDevlin

    Read again, fellas. I never mentioned anything about Trump supporters being unclean. But to make sure you get the point, allow me to rephrase:

    1) As an issue, a topic, a subject of conversation, a plot element, something, ...
    2) in a Bond film

    indeed, Trump is not clean, not safe, not welcome.

    In your opinion.

    I consider Barack Obama to be the most disingenuous, empty suit ever to hold the office. And you speak of dangerous, Obama’s domestic and foreign policies weakened the U.S. and destabilized the world.
    But he was a smooth talker with a good voice who sounded competent, when he read from a TelePrompter.

    It’s sad, I am a James Bond and movie fan. I’m also a very politically aware and involved person, but I don’t come here for that and have always hoped that the entertainment topics could be “ Holy Ground” where we could put politics aside. Sadly it’s not so. Even though I have strong feelings concerning B. Obama I didn’t bring it here.
    Now I respect someone’s right not to like or approve of President Trump but I am tired of a constant berating of him, and in turn his supporters, in entertainment topics. It shows such intolerance, disrespect and restraint.


  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,179
    @talos7

    I don't want Obama in my Bond film either. No geopolitical or other political topics which can only leave us divided for the wrong reasons. All of those things are unclean, unfit, unwelcome in a Bond film.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,208
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @talos7

    I don't want Obama in my Bond film either. No geopolitical or other political topics which can only leave us divided for the wrong reasons. All of those things are unclean, unfit, unwelcome in a Bond film.

    Agreed,.......nice save ;)

  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,179
    talos7 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @talos7

    I don't want Obama in my Bond film either. No geopolitical or other political topics which can only leave us divided for the wrong reasons. All of those things are unclean, unfit, unwelcome in a Bond film.

    Agreed,.......nice save ;)

    Glad we have come to an agreement. ;)
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,790
    I really think you people should find a better place to meet.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    The Obama look-alike from QoS posted above has a suggestion: order a drink from the bar and Bond on.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    I think the last couple pages of this thread are evidence enough of why politics should be kept out of bond
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,208
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    I think the last couple pages of this thread are evidence enough of why politics should be kept out of bond

    +1
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Been busy with life, so I come here to see what news there is on Canada and ...
    Ok then. Other thread for that.

    So I will reiterate my joy that Cary is directing. And I want Charlize in a Bond film. And I want Viggo Mortensen in a Bond film.

    I am hopeful that something about locations and/or music or at least the cinematographer will be the next real news we get. Or even substantive rumors at this point. :) Those are topics that excite me about Bond 25. I do think this has the foundations, with Cary at the helm, to be a great (not just good) Bond film. And he is too savvy, intelligent to bring any current obvious politics (especially based on any real political figure) into his Bond film. He also has no need to because he is a good writer and director. I think he wants to make his own Bond film being rather true enough to Fleming/traditions of the series but put it in a fresh way.

    So - do we think Cary would lean toward using a cinematographer he has used on other films? I think that is only a maybe. I think he may or he may actually have a cinematographer in mind whom he has never worked with but would love to ( okay, I would love Deakins to return). Cary is not joined at the hip like Mendes was with Newman, thank goodness, regarding music. But looking at Cary's track record, what are your thoughts on those things? Cinematography and music. I know we have discussed music a bit, but have we in depth based on Cary's previous work?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Ian Fleming, 1963.
    Chapter 8 - Fancy Cover

    ...
    Would Sir Hilary please arrive at Zurich Central Airport by Swissair flight Number 105, due at Zurich at 1300 hours on December 21st. On Bond's prompting, Sable Basilisk wrote back that the date was not convenient to Sir Hilary owing to a prior engagement with the Canadian High Commissioner regarding a detail in the Arms of the Hudson's Bay Company. Sir Hilary could, however, manage the 22nd. By return came a cable agreeing and, to Bond, confirming that the fish had not only swallowed the hook but the line and sinker as well.
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    a skin for a skin

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited November 2018 Posts: 4,629
    4EverBonded wrote: »
    Been busy with life, so I come here to see what news there is on Canada and ...
    Ok then. Other thread for that.

    So I will reiterate my joy that Cary is directing. And I want Charlize in a Bond film. And I want Viggo Mortensen in a Bond film.

    I am hopeful that something about locations and/or music or at least the cinematographer will be the next real news we get. Or even substantive rumors at this point. :) Those are topics that excite me about Bond 25. I do think this has the foundations, with Cary at the helm, to be a great (not just good) Bond film. And he is too savvy, intelligent to bring any current obvious politics (especially based on any real political figure) into his Bond film. He also has no need to because he is a good writer and director. I think he wants to make his own Bond film being rather true enough to Fleming/traditions of the series but put it in a fresh way.

    So - do we think Cary would lean toward using a cinematographer he has used on other films? I think that is only a maybe. I think he may or he may actually have a cinematographer in mind whom he has never worked with but would love to ( okay, I would love Deakins to return). Cary is not joined at the hip like Mendes was with Newman, thank goodness, regarding music. But looking at Cary's track record, what are your thoughts on those things? Cinematography and music. I know we have discussed music a bit, but have we in depth based on Cary's previous work?

    I'm honestly surprised that we haven't heard any REAL casting news yet. By this time on Skyfall, we had rumors of Javier Bardem and Ralph Fiennes.

    http://collider.com/javier-bardem-bond-23/

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2011/feb/04/ralph-fiennes-bond-23

    I still don't believe that Christoph Waltz isn't coming back. Remember, he said he wasn't Blofeld.

    http://www.hollywood.com/general/christoph-waltz-unhappy-he-wont-reprise-his-role-as-iconic-bond-villain-blofeld-60710823/

    https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/starinterviews/i-am-not-playing-blofeld-oscar-winner-christoph-waltz-scotches-rumours-over-james-bond-role-10157808.html
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    4EverBonded wrote: »
    ...I will reiterate my joy that Cary is directing. And I want Charlize in a Bond film. And I want Viggo Mortensen in a Bond film.

    Viggo would make a great villain or ally or anything. Charlize would be great too so long as she demonstrates restraint. Her intensity is a force to be reckoned with, but she can also be as bad as (or even worse than) Angelina Jolie when it comes to over-the-top acting.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I am hopeful about actors in general because Cary seems to be able to get great, and realistic (not over the top) performances out of his actors.
  • ringfire211ringfire211
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    Kimbras_Madhouse wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    Well said. The liberal media would have us believe the sky is falling since Trump took office. But nothing has changed and we can still go to bed peacefully at night and wake up happy in the morning. Nothing but negative sound bytes from the media.

    Don't worry, the changes will be felt over time. I have no affiliation with the Liberal media, but it's clear to me that Trump is a frightened, senile old man whose politics, if you can call 'em that, belong in de 18th century. That said, not a discussion I want to have in this thread.

    Again, Trump must neither be mentioned nor hinted at in the next couple of Bond films and preferably never. As a topic, Trump is "unclean", not suited for the entertainment factor the Bonds are known to provide.

    I like how he mentioned liberal media but completely ignores conservative as well like Fox News and the likes.
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    Meaning what? What should I say about Fox News? Fox News, unlike the rest of the liberal media, tell us that everything is fine and that the sky is not falling. Which is accurate. The sky is not falling so you can go to bed peacefully. Good night. But if you prefer the doom and gloom of CNN then knock yourself out. If you have Trump on your brain 24/7 then it’s your own fault. People obsess too much about him and then get mad at him. Turn the channel, problem solved.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,208
    Come on folks, as the Immortals did in Highlander, let’s keep the non-political and non-current event topics “ Holy Ground”; it’s not the place to engage.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    How about forget all news except Bond25 news? :D
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    edited November 2018 Posts: 4,409
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    Kimbras_Madhouse wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    Well said. The liberal media would have us believe the sky is falling since Trump took office. But nothing has changed and we can still go to bed peacefully at night and wake up happy in the morning. Nothing but negative sound bytes from the media.

    Don't worry, the changes will be felt over time. I have no affiliation with the Liberal media, but it's clear to me that Trump is a frightened, senile old man whose politics, if you can call 'em that, belong in de 18th century. That said, not a discussion I want to have in this thread.

    Again, Trump must neither be mentioned nor hinted at in the next couple of Bond films and preferably never. As a topic, Trump is "unclean", not suited for the entertainment factor the Bonds are known to provide.

    I like how he mentioned liberal media but completely ignores conservative as well like Fox News and the likes.
    giphy.gif
    Meaning what? What should I say about Fox News? Fox News, unlike the rest of the liberal media, tell us that everything is fine and that the sky is not falling. Which is accurate. The sky is not falling so you can go to bed peacefully. Good night. But if you prefer the doom and gloom of CNN then knock yourself out. If you have Trump on your brain 24/7 then it’s your own fault. People obsess too much about him and then get mad at him. Turn the channel, problem solved.

    No one is claiming the 'sky is falling', just that the President is a racist, lying narcissist.

    Fox News conflates his ego and bolsters him at every opportunity. Meanwhile, CNN and MSNBC fact-check him and don't pander to him. It's the media's job to be cynical of government.

    The whole 'fake news' phenomenon stems from Trump being upset that CNN don't falter and adore him. He discredits outlets that say mean things about him, because he's thin-skinned.

    If he was actually doing his job, opposed to watching Fox and Friends, he'd be too busy to care about the ratings anyway...

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    As for the lack of casting, this feels expected. Especially considering that Fukunaga joined 6 weeks ago. We probably won't hear anything concrete till at least the new year.

    SF was an anomoly as they were casting that thing a year out. But the Sony leaks show that SP honed in on Seydoux and Waltz at the end of summer. So we are mostly on schedule. Also, CR cast it's main characters once filming began! QOS also cast very near to the start date.

    I miss the days when Bond found obscure European actors. Now we need 'stars'. The last Blade Runner took a similar route as CR/QOS and we got Ana De Armas and Slyvia Hoeks. I hope Cary takes a similar route....though there was word that Boyle walked as Eon wanted a glitzy cast.

    However, it is criminal that Charlize hasn't been in one of these films

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