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  • Posts: 154
    I think / hope it's more likely to trump Fallout in both story and cinematography
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    peter wrote: »
    But as Blofeld, NO. Yet, in this silly version of Bond's world in DAF, I say: okay... Weird... But... ok...

    I’ll give Gray that for his Blofeld. He worked okay for DAF, a film already laden with much goofiness and the un-Bondlike cheapness of Las Vegas. He was an okay sort of parody Blofeld.

    This
  • mybudgetbondmybudgetbond The World
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    I really wasn’t a fan of Fallout. I love the MI films (especially 1,4&5) but I couldn’t warm to Fallout at all. I did not get the big deal that was being made about it. Bond wins any day for me.
  • Blofeld0064Blofeld0064 Milford, Michigan
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    The article states that fukunaga is still doing bond 25 I don't this will affect him directing.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    talos7 wrote: »
    If you enjoy MI films, that's fine. I don't watch them, but I saw the first two. I still feel they have not been a fair comparison to Bond yet they are brought up time and again. Just because of the stunts? Well, I don't look at Bond to "out-stunt" other films. I want the action to be awesome, yes, and to fit the story and bigger is definitely not always, or even often, better.

    If you’ve only seen the first two then you really can’t judge. What’s been discussed, at length, in other topics is how the most recent three MI films compare to the most recent three Bond films . The MI films have excelled, and in turn exceeded Bond,in virtually every category, not only stunt work.

    But still ... MI films comparing to Bond films? You feel the stories and lead character are comparable enough? Just wondering. I don't care about stunts being better. I never thought Bourne or Ethan Hunt were comparable to Bond. I can enjoy some Bourne, but still Bond is different for me. I don't feel Bond films are ever threatened by MI films. I get you are saying that the MI films for you were better in several categories. We all have our own opinions, of course. I just don't get comparing them to Bond. Especially main character.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Thanks for the article. Yes, Cary is busy and in demand. We are lucky to have him. I don't think he will disappoint us.

  • I doubt it's a concern, as Fukunaga has been full-time on Bond 25 since his announcement.

    I believe the TV show was something he was working on prior to Bond 25. I guess the Bond film takes precedence now since the start date has been locked in. Plus the Deadline article confirms that the TV show is a way off, whilst both finish off different projects.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Fukunaga and Lowry have rewritten the bond script together. That would be a seriously formidable pair.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    talos7 wrote: »
    If you enjoy MI films, that's fine. I don't watch them, but I saw the first two. I still feel they have not been a fair comparison to Bond yet they are brought up time and again. Just because of the stunts? Well, I don't look at Bond to "out-stunt" other films. I want the action to be awesome, yes, and to fit the story and bigger is definitely not always, or even often, better.

    If you’ve only seen the first two then you really can’t judge. What’s been discussed, at length, in other topics is how the most recent three MI films compare to the most recent three Bond films . The MI films have excelled, and in turn exceeded Bond,in virtually every category, not only stunt work.

    But still ... MI films comparing to Bond films? You feel the stories and lead character are comparable enough? Just wondering. I don't care about stunts being better. I never thought Bourne or Ethan Hunt were comparable to Bond. I can enjoy some Bourne, but still Bond is different for me. I don't feel Bond films are ever threatened by MI films. I get you are saying that the MI films for you were better in several categories. We all have our own opinions, of course. I just don't get comparing them to Bond. Especially main character.

    Exactly. In Fallout everybody says Ethan Hunt is the world's only hope and he can't even settle down because if he doesn't save the world no one else can. That, to me, was beyond ridiculous and even erased any tension from the movie. If the hero is invincible suspense is reduced to zero.

    Bond is human, he has flaws and makes mistakes, and that makes him much more compelling than Ethan. In Goldfinger M tells Bond that if he can't accomplish the mission 008 will be sent on his stead. The You Know My Name song further reiterates this as Bond is "nothing so divine, just next in line". And he is not invincible, he fails. He was tricked by Vesper and couldn't protect Tracy or M. He is somewhat relatable, which is why I love Bond so much in the first place. He always reminds me that things are tough and life is hard, even to him, but that's not the reason to ever let yourself down.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    talos7 wrote: »
    If you enjoy MI films, that's fine. I don't watch them, but I saw the first two. I still feel they have not been a fair comparison to Bond yet they are brought up time and again. Just because of the stunts? Well, I don't look at Bond to "out-stunt" other films. I want the action to be awesome, yes, and to fit the story and bigger is definitely not always, or even often, better.

    If you’ve only seen the first two then you really can’t judge. What’s been discussed, at length, in other topics is how the most recent three MI films compare to the most recent three Bond films . The MI films have excelled, and in turn exceeded Bond,in virtually every category, not only stunt work.

    But still ... MI films comparing to Bond films? You feel the stories and lead character are comparable enough? Just wondering. I don't care about stunts being better. I never thought Bourne or Ethan Hunt were comparable to Bond. I can enjoy some Bourne, but still Bond is different for me. I don't feel Bond films are ever threatened by MI films. I get you are saying that the MI films for you were better in several categories. We all have our own opinions, of course. I just don't get comparing them to Bond. Especially main character.

    I’ve said that there’s no doubt that Bond is the more iconic character, more so than Ethan Hunt. The character of Bond transcends actors and will continue to do so; more than like, when Cruise decides to hang it up, that will be the end for the character of Hunt.
    When it comes to these two, I am a Bond fan ; which is why it’s so frustrating seeing another franchise excel.
    If you haven’t seen the last 3 MIs, you’re really missing great entertainment.

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    I don’t think there’s any reason to be worried about Fukunaga helping write for this other project. There’s still plenty of time until March, and I’m sure he’s been working on the script/story material for Bond 25 in the meantime. No cause for alarm I don’t think.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    I don’t think there’s any reason to be worried about Fukunaga helping write for this other project. There’s still plenty of time until March, and I’m sure he’s been working on the script/story material for Bond 25 in the meantime. No cause for alarm I don’t think.
    This.

    Don't know why is everyone freaking out.
  • Blofeld0064Blofeld0064 Milford, Michigan
    Posts: 243
    I think because of the lack of news related to B25 although I believe eon are keeping things more quite this time after the Sony leaks around spectre but it is getting a bit aggravating.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    The amount of anxiety and Bond-hating on these boards is becoming tiresome. If you prefer MI and Ethan Hunt, then I am sure there are fan sites for that franchise where you can profess your devotion. Comapring the franchises is one thing, but using MI to denegrate Bond makes no sense.

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    I’m hopeful once we reach early next year, January or maybe February, the news will begin to roll and the fears will be calmed. It has been a long, difficult stretch for Bond fans, but I must stay hopeful our waiting will be rewarded.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I think the streak of rumours will begin around January or February. Makes sense, in my opinion.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Dr. No, Ian Fleming, 1958.
    Chapter VII - Night Passage


    ...
    Bond went to the icebox and took a pint of Canadian Club Blended Rye and some ice and soda-water and went and sat in the garden and watched the last light flame and die.
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  • TripAces wrote: »
    The amount of anxiety and Bond-hating on these boards is becoming tiresome. If you prefer MI and Ethan Hunt, then I am sure there are fan sites for that franchise where you can profess your devotion. Comapring the franchises is one thing, but using MI to denegrate Bond makes no sense.
    No one is denegrating Bond. I’ll take Bond anyday over M:I/Hunt. I do have to wonder though when someone claims that a subpar scene in QOS like the DC-3 dogfight is superior to the superb helicopter sequence at the end of FALLOUT. I don’t think anyone outside of this board would make such a claim. I’m sure even many Bond fans (myself included) have no choice but to admit that Bond has dropped the ball when it comes to action, compared to the M:I franchise.

  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    edited November 2018 Posts: 2,730
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Seeing as Bond can no longer outdo MI franchise for stunts and action I just hope Fukanaga has some decent script to work with

    The only mission impossible stunt which was outdone was Burj khalifa sequence. I have seen much better helicopter/foot/bike/boat/car chase in bond films. Casino Royale parkour sequence/ quantum of solace car chase/plane sequence/skyfall bike chase were rated best in years.
    Are you serious about a Bond film having a better helicopter sequence than the one at the finale of FALLOUT? Forget Burj Khalifa - the helicopter stunt at the end of FALLOUT was the most spectacular action sequence of the entire M:I series! And here you say that Bond films have done better helicopter stunts than that one. Which one exactly? Look, I love Bond films but this is a ridiculous statement to make.

    No ridiculous is what people think that helicopter stunt was anywhere near QOS Airdog fight. If anyone remember what happened in Spectre bond was trying to save Madeline instead risking her life by crashing the plane. Same thing happened in fallout instead of trying to save detonator his great plan was to smash both helicopter, he could have shoot the rotor like what happened in Spectre ending. But let's move on to bond25 some like it some Don't.

    Ma man
    TripAces wrote: »
    The amount of anxiety and Bond-hating on these boards is becoming tiresome. If you prefer MI and Ethan Hunt, then I am sure there are fan sites for that franchise where you can profess your devotion. Comapring the franchises is one thing, but using MI to denegrate Bond makes no sense.
    No one is denegrating Bond. I’ll take Bond anyday over M:I/Hunt. I do have to wonder though when someone claims that a subpar scene in QOS like the DC-3 dogfight is superior to the superb helicopter sequence at the end of FALLOUT. I don’t think anyone outside of this board would make such a claim. I’m sure even many Bond fans (myself included) have no choice but to admit that Bond has dropped the ball when it comes to action, compared to the M:I franchise.

    Look, let’s take spectre for example, the car chase is boring and sucks. Fair enough. But the helicopter stunt is very inventive and cool, something an audience hasn’t seen before, and that alone is cooler than anything in fallout. However saying that, the action as a whole was probably better in fallout than spectre. But now that I think about it, the plane sequence in spectre is probably better than the helicopter sequence in fallout
  • edited November 2018 Posts: 5,767
    talos7 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    If you enjoy MI films, that's fine. I don't watch them, but I saw the first two. I still feel they have not been a fair comparison to Bond yet they are brought up time and again. Just because of the stunts? Well, I don't look at Bond to "out-stunt" other films. I want the action to be awesome, yes, and to fit the story and bigger is definitely not always, or even often, better.

    If you’ve only seen the first two then you really can’t judge. What’s been discussed, at length, in other topics is how the most recent three MI films compare to the most recent three Bond films . The MI films have excelled, and in turn exceeded Bond,in virtually every category, not only stunt work.

    But still ... MI films comparing to Bond films? You feel the stories and lead character are comparable enough? Just wondering. I don't care about stunts being better. I never thought Bourne or Ethan Hunt were comparable to Bond. I can enjoy some Bourne, but still Bond is different for me. I don't feel Bond films are ever threatened by MI films. I get you are saying that the MI films for you were better in several categories. We all have our own opinions, of course. I just don't get comparing them to Bond. Especially main character.

    I’ve said that there’s no doubt that Bond is the more iconic character, more so than Ethan Hunt. The character of Bond transcends actors and will continue to do so; more than like, when Cruise decides to hang it up, that will be the end for the character of Hunt.
    When it comes to these two, I am a Bond fan ; which is why it’s so frustrating seeing another franchise excel.
    If you haven’t seen the last 3 MIs, you’re really missing great entertainment.
    But isn´t it Wonderful if filmmakers fulfill their ambitions making Action adventures? Bond and Bourne and M:I feature by far different enough characters not to mix them up too much. They enrich the Scene by being three instead of one. As a character I find Bond most appealing, but first and foremost I became a Bond fan because those films were terriffically well-crafted Pictures. If they cease to be that, then my Attention shifts, simple as that. I love it when M:I or Bourne would contribute to my joy. I´m not very happy to find Fallout not that excelling.



    TripAces wrote: »
    The amount of anxiety and Bond-hating on these boards is becoming tiresome. If you prefer MI and Ethan Hunt, then I am sure there are fan sites for that franchise where you can profess your devotion. Comapring the franchises is one thing, but using MI to denegrate Bond makes no sense.
    No one is denegrating Bond. I’ll take Bond anyday over M:I/Hunt. I do have to wonder though when someone claims that a subpar scene in QOS like the DC-3 dogfight is superior to the superb helicopter sequence at the end of FALLOUT. I don’t think anyone outside of this board would make such a claim. I’m sure even many Bond fans (myself included) have no choice but to admit that Bond has dropped the ball when it comes to action, compared to the M:I franchise.
    @ringfire211, those Action Scenes are very much subject to individual personal preferences, so you needn´t worry or wonder if someone likes the dogfight in QoS more than the helicopter Scene in Fallout. There are some perfectly sane reasons for it.
    As for dropping the ball, the Stunts are surely the last Thing they can be accused of, because the filmmakers very obviously were interested to put their Focus on other Things. One could argue they dropped the ball in there too, but they certainly didn´t drop it with their Stunts, because they didn´t pick the ball up in the first place.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited November 2018 Posts: 2,541
    Walecs wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    If you enjoy MI films, that's fine. I don't watch them, but I saw the first two. I still feel they have not been a fair comparison to Bond yet they are brought up time and again. Just because of the stunts? Well, I don't look at Bond to "out-stunt" other films. I want the action to be awesome, yes, and to fit the story and bigger is definitely not always, or even often, better.

    If you’ve only seen the first two then you really can’t judge. What’s been discussed, at length, in other topics is how the most recent three MI films compare to the most recent three Bond films . The MI films have excelled, and in turn exceeded Bond,in virtually every category, not only stunt work.

    But still ... MI films comparing to Bond films? You feel the stories and lead character are comparable enough? Just wondering. I don't care about stunts being better. I never thought Bourne or Ethan Hunt were comparable to Bond. I can enjoy some Bourne, but still Bond is different for me. I don't feel Bond films are ever threatened by MI films. I get you are saying that the MI films for you were better in several categories. We all have our own opinions, of course. I just don't get comparing them to Bond. Especially main character.

    Exactly. In Fallout everybody says Ethan Hunt is the world's only hope and he can't even settle down because if he doesn't save the world no one else can. That, to me, was beyond ridiculous and even erased any tension from the movie. If the hero is invincible suspense is reduced to zero.

    Bond is human, he has flaws and makes mistakes, and that makes him much more compelling than Ethan. In Goldfinger M tells Bond that if he can't accomplish the mission 008 will be sent on his stead. The You Know My Name song further reiterates this as Bond is "nothing so divine, just next in line". And he is not invincible, he fails. He was tricked by Vesper and couldn't protect Tracy or M. He is somewhat relatable, which is why I love Bond so much in the first place. He always reminds me that things are tough and life is hard, even to him, but that's not the reason to ever let yourself down.

    Very well stated and not just bond but other Characters also in bond films are humane or imperfect that's what attracted me towards bond films in the first place, no applaud or melodrama.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited November 2018 Posts: 2,541
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Seeing as Bond can no longer outdo MI franchise for stunts and action I just hope Fukanaga has some decent script to work with

    The only mission impossible stunt which was outdone was Burj khalifa sequence. I have seen much better helicopter/foot/bike/boat/car chase in bond films. Casino Royale parkour sequence/ quantum of solace car chase/plane sequence/skyfall bike chase were rated best in years.
    Are you serious about a Bond film having a better helicopter sequence than the one at the finale of FALLOUT? Forget Burj Khalifa - the helicopter stunt at the end of FALLOUT was the most spectacular action sequence of the entire M:I series! And here you say that Bond films have done better helicopter stunts than that one. Which one exactly? Look, I love Bond films but this is a ridiculous statement to make.

    No ridiculous is what people think that helicopter stunt was anywhere near QOS Airdog fight. If anyone remember what happened in Spectre bond was trying to save Madeline instead risking her life by crashing the plane. Same thing happened in fallout instead of trying to save detonator his great plan was to smash both helicopter, he could have shoot the rotor like what happened in Spectre ending. But let's move on to bond25 some like it some Don't.

    Ma man
    TripAces wrote: »
    The amount of anxiety and Bond-hating on these boards is becoming tiresome. If you prefer MI and Ethan Hunt, then I am sure there are fan sites for that franchise where you can profess your devotion. Comapring the franchises is one thing, but using MI to denegrate Bond makes no sense.
    No one is denegrating Bond. I’ll take Bond anyday over M:I/Hunt. I do have to wonder though when someone claims that a subpar scene in QOS like the DC-3 dogfight is superior to the superb helicopter sequence at the end of FALLOUT. I don’t think anyone outside of this board would make such a claim. I’m sure even many Bond fans (myself included) have no choice but to admit that Bond has dropped the ball when it comes to action, compared to the M:I franchise.

    Look, let’s take spectre for example, the car chase is boring and sucks. Fair enough. But the helicopter stunt is very inventive and cool, something an audience hasn’t seen before, and that alone is cooler than anything in fallout. However saying that, the action as a whole was probably better in fallout than spectre. But now that I think about it, the plane sequence in spectre is probably better than the helicopter sequence in fallout

    My thoughts exactly overall fallout is better than Spectre in Terms of action but their wasn't anything new or creative which I haven't seen before except an actor performing his own stunts. I felt the only mi film that ever came close to bond in terms of story telling was rogue nation, fallout and ghost protocol are known for their stunts not story.
  • Posts: 16,163
    I saw FALLOUT only a couple months ago and I barely remember it. I enjoyed it while watching, but it didn't stick with me.
    I'll still take Bond over Ethan whatshisname any day.
  • Posts: 1,548
    I love Bond but EON needs to raise it's game. MI films are very enjoyable even though the main character isn't iconic.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I love Bond but EON needs to raise it's game. MI films are very enjoyable even though the main character isn't iconic.

    EON has changed every main job almost regularly since PB's era. Except for the writers. I'll start having a bit more faith when P & W are gone for good.
  • Posts: 19,339
    No contest re Bond v Hunt.
    Man against boy.
  • FoxRox wrote: »
    I don’t think there’s any reason to be worried about Fukunaga helping write for this other project. There’s still plenty of time until March, and I’m sure he’s been working on the script/story material for Bond 25 in the meantime. No cause for alarm I don’t think.
    This.

    Don't know why is everyone freaking out.

    I don't think anyone is freaking out, exactly, but I do think at this stage that some wariness is fair. For better or worse I think the press might refer to this, so far, as a "troubled production." After a long lag, ownership woes, striking sets, cutting a director loose . . . I think a bit of anxiety about the state of things is perfectly warranted.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    octofinger wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I don’t think there’s any reason to be worried about Fukunaga helping write for this other project. There’s still plenty of time until March, and I’m sure he’s been working on the script/story material for Bond 25 in the meantime. No cause for alarm I don’t think.
    This.

    Don't know why is everyone freaking out.

    I don't think anyone is freaking out, exactly, but I do think at this stage that some wariness is fair. For better or worse I think the press might refer to this, so far, as a "troubled production." After a long lag, ownership woes, striking sets, cutting a director loose . . . I think a bit of anxiety about the state of things is perfectly warranted.
    We received similar silence during previous productions. There have been months where we recieved no news that we started biting our fingers yet everything was kept normal and in schedule.

    All I’m saying is that it’s too early to worry about it. Give it at least a month, then let the real worry start, in my opinion. It’s not like we need news every day to know how the production is going.
    - - -
    On side notes, we’re only three months away and The Rhythm Section still hasn’t started marketing its product. That’s worrying for what was supposed to be a big production film.
  • octofinger wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I don’t think there’s any reason to be worried about Fukunaga helping write for this other project. There’s still plenty of time until March, and I’m sure he’s been working on the script/story material for Bond 25 in the meantime. No cause for alarm I don’t think.
    This.

    Don't know why is everyone freaking out.

    I don't think anyone is freaking out, exactly, but I do think at this stage that some wariness is fair. For better or worse I think the press might refer to this, so far, as a "troubled production." After a long lag, ownership woes, striking sets, cutting a director loose . . . I think a bit of anxiety about the state of things is perfectly warranted.
    We received similar silence during previous productions. There have been months where we recieved no news that we started biting our fingers yet everything was kept normal and in schedule.

    All I’m saying is that it’s too early to worry about it. Give it at least a month, then let the real worry start, in my opinion. It’s not like we need news every day to know how the production is going.
    - - -
    On side notes, we’re only three months away and The Rhythm Section still hasn’t started marketing its product. That’s worrying for what was supposed to be a big production film.

    If the film is good and makes money, any concerns over a “troubled production” disappear. If the film flops in either respect, the film press will pour over its carcass and blame the troubled production as one aspect.

    In respect to The Rhythm Section, I imagine that Eon will begin hyping that soon. It’s a mid-size film, so won’t need a huge early marketing push tot urn a healthy profit. Plus, by all account, Reed Morano is putting the finishing touches to it according to her Instagram:



    Meanwhile, I think I stumbled on Cary Fukunaga’s Instagram page. Though its private:
    https://www.instagram.com/carybuu/?hl=en
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