No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited November 2018 Posts: 15,423
    It's actually not a bad stunt, as I participated in similar discussion before. Although, it has to be done cleverly and not seem like it was written by a four year old (like that Oberfeld dilemma). But, then again, I highly doubt Fukunaga would allow that sort of balderdash. The guy is dedicated to his craft. Rewatched the first season of True Detective not too long ago, and I'm reaffirmed we won't be getting shambles of a storyline.
  • Roadphill wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    What if Waltz was not the real Blofeld?

    I proposed this scenario before. What if the 'real' Blofeld heard of Bond, and saw him closing in on Spectre. Thus he used Oberhauser to mess with Bonds head, knowing they had a past connection.

    Would wash all the Bro-feld nonsense clean, and allow Waltz to step away with no issues.

    Interesting

    These sort of plot complications and reversals suit long-running TV shows like Doctor Who.

    It won't suit a film series like Bond where you get new films every 3-4 years, general audiences won't be overly interested in following such convoluted plot mechanics. Franz Oberhauser is Blofeld till the next reboot.

    If the director was someone like Yann Demange or Bart Layton, I'd expect them to inherit Mendes's sloppy seconds and do a Blofeld story. However, Fukunaga is a filmmaker considered in the same league as many A-list auteur helmers. I can bet any money that we get a new villain and a new actor. I think he's just being polite about Waltz.

    I bet they go for a female villain and try to get someone like Meryl Streep or Tilda Swinton.
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    Roadphill wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    What if Waltz was not the real Blofeld?

    I proposed this scenario before. What if the 'real' Blofeld heard of Bond, and saw him closing in on Spectre. Thus he used Oberhauser to mess with Bonds head, knowing they had a past connection.

    Would wash all the Bro-feld nonsense clean, and allow Waltz to step away with no issues.

    Interesting

    Very interesting, but a bit of a -- as we sometimes say in the writing game -- "long walk." This is just my initial reaction, but I'd be wary of audiences feeling like it was too much of a contrived cop-out to undo a creative decision vs. just moving on from it.

    Whatever people thought of SPECTRE (the film), I'd bet good money the Waltz iteration of the organization/Blofeld simply is what it is for the Craig era, and we'll see it re-imagined again in the future. Possibly as soon as Bond 26.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Eon didn't spend all that money settling with McClory for nothing. We'll see Blofeld again soon.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2018 Posts: 23,883
    I must say this discussion about Blofeld returning is leaving me far from enthused. While I can appreciate why he's such an important character in the Bond universe, he has been truly botched in this iteration (at least imho) and so hopefully he isn't brought back for B25. A part of me wishes Bond had put a bullet in his head on that bridge. At least then we wouldn't have to ruminate about him here and come up with convoluted theories to redeem the character.

    If they want to bring him back reimagined without family connection down the road that's perfectly fine with me, but this version is truly a mess that is best forgotten for the next film, again in my humble opinion.
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    I strongly suspect we won't see Blofeld/SPECTRE in Bond 25, unless they truly go hard for the "Irma Bunt is running SPECTRE now and wants revenge against Bond" angle.

    But I agree about EON's interest in the property moving forward based on what they went through to reclaim the rights. SPECTRE will be a major element of cinematic 007 in some shape or form.

    The more interesting question, to me, lies with Bond 26. The Craig era has created a new paradigm by introducing such prominent and referential film-to-film continuity into the mix. So: will the next era continue an expansion of this continuity (the way previous era transitions loosely did) or will it be closer to a CR-style reboot where the clock is rather obviously reset?

    I'd lean towards...and probably prefer...the latter. But this is a Bond 25 thread, and that's a conversation for another day. ;)
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited November 2018 Posts: 2,541
    Roadphill wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    What if Waltz was not the real Blofeld?

    I proposed this scenario before. What if the 'real' Blofeld heard of Bond, and saw him closing in on Spectre. Thus he used Oberhauser to mess with Bonds head, knowing they had a past connection.

    Would wash all the Bro-feld nonsense clean, and allow Waltz to step away with no issues.

    Interesting

    These sort of plot complications and reversals suit long-running TV shows like Doctor Who.

    It won't suit a film series like Bond where you get new films every 3-4 years, general audiences won't be overly interested in following such convoluted plot mechanics. Franz Oberhauser is Blofeld till the next reboot.

    If the director was someone like Yann Demange or Bart Layton, I'd expect them to inherit Mendes's sloppy seconds and do a Blofeld story. However, Fukunaga is a filmmaker considered in the same league as many A-list auteur helmers. I can bet any money that we get a new villain and a new actor. I think he's just being polite about Waltz.

    I bet they go for a female villain and try to get someone like Meryl Streep or Tilda Swinton.

    As much as I would like to agree with you I still want Spectre to return if not with blofeld then with a female Villian like Irma bunt.
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    Blofeld should have been left at the bottom of that chimney
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    AgentM72 wrote: »
    I strongly suspect we won't see Blofeld/SPECTRE in Bond 25, unless they truly go hard for the "Irma Bunt is running SPECTRE now and wants revenge against Bond" angle.

    But I agree about EON's interest in the property moving forward based on what they went through to reclaim the rights. SPECTRE will be a major element of cinematic 007 in some shape or form.

    The more interesting question, to me, lies with Bond 26. The Craig era has created a new paradigm by introducing such prominent and referential film-to-film continuity into the mix. So: will the next era continue an expansion of this continuity (the way previous era transitions loosely did) or will it be closer to a CR-style reboot where the clock is rather obviously reset?

    I'd lean towards...and probably prefer...the latter. But this is a Bond 25 thread, and that's a conversation for another day. ;)

    I almost wish Eon would just skip B25 and move on to B26 instead.
    This film so far is the first Bond in my lifetime in which I 'm not terribly thrilled or excited about. If the clock were re-set so to speak and B26 ended up another re-boot, I think I'd want to see Fleming's versions of the regulars brought back. Instead of Mallory, Sir Miles Messervy, Major Boothroyd as Q, etc.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    Posts: 871
    Getafix wrote: »
    Blofeld should have been left at the bottom of that chimney

    I couldn't agree more. Blofeld is an anachronistic character, out of place in a modern setting. I was against bringing him back, and SP only confirmed my belief. This is the only thing I am completely certain of regarding Bond films.

    On the other hand, changing his traits in order to make him more contemporary would basically create a new character, Blofeld in name only, and that is ridiculous.

    Old villains should only return in Fleming based series set in the 50s and 60s. Then and only then Blofeld can be done justice.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,193
    Getafix wrote: »
    Blofeld should have been left at the bottom of that chimney

    I couldn't agree more. Blofeld is an anachronistic character, out of place in a modern setting. I was against bringing him back, and SP only confirmed my belief. This is the only thing I am completely certain of regarding Bond films.

    On the other hand, changing his traits in order to make him more contemporary would basically create a new character, Blofeld in name only, and that is ridiculous.

    Old villains should only return in Fleming based series set in the 50s and 60s. Then and only then Blofeld can be done justice.

    What a shame that the character, and his relationship with Bond, was so mishandled,
    Had it been handled properly, Blofeld could have been as relevant today as he was in an earlier time.
    I have little doubt that a skilled filmmaker such as Fincher or McQuarrie could have done it wit much more satisfying results.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    Getafix wrote: »
    Blofeld should have been left at the bottom of that chimney

    I couldn't agree more. Blofeld is an anachronistic character, out of place in a modern setting. I was against bringing him back, and SP only confirmed my belief. This is the only thing I am completely certain of regarding Bond films.

    On the other hand, changing his traits in order to make him more contemporary would basically create a new character, Blofeld in name only, and that is ridiculous.

    Old villains should only return in Fleming based series set in the 50s and 60s. Then and only then Blofeld can be done justice.

    This. Blofeld doesn't belong in a modern Bond film. Very boring character.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Well , there are voices that contend that Bond is an anachronistic character who doesn’t belong in the modern world or films...
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    I don’t see how Blofeld doesn’t belong in a modern Bond film any moreso than James Bond himself. It’s not the issue. Bond himself has been adapted and adapted well (most would agree) in modern times. Blofeld was poorly adapted in SP, but not because Blofeld CAN’T be done right in a modern Bond film. It came down to story and script issues, which can mess up any character in any era.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,193
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I don’t see how Blofeld doesn’t belong in a modern Bond film any moreso than James Bond himself. It’s not the issue. Bond himself has been adapted and adapted well (most would agree) in modern times. Blofeld was poorly adapted in SP, but not because Blofeld CAN’T be done right in a modern Bond film. It came down to story and script issues, which can mess up any character in any era.

    A Big +1

  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited November 2018 Posts: 2,541
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I don’t see how Blofeld doesn’t belong in a modern Bond film any moreso than James Bond himself. It’s not the issue. Bond himself has been adapted and adapted well (most would agree) in modern times. Blofeld was poorly adapted in SP, but not because Blofeld CAN’T be done right in a modern Bond film. It came down to story and script issues, which can mess up any character in any era.

    Agreed
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Getafix wrote: »
    Blofeld should have been left at the bottom of that chimney

    I couldn't agree more. Blofeld is an anachronistic character, out of place in a modern setting. I was against bringing him back, and SP only confirmed my belief. This is the only thing I am completely certain of regarding Bond films.

    On the other hand, changing his traits in order to make him more contemporary would basically create a new character, Blofeld in name only, and that is ridiculous.

    Old villains should only return in Fleming based series set in the 50s and 60s. Then and only then Blofeld can be done justice.
    This. Blofeld doesn't belong in a modern Bond film. Very boring character.
    Read the Bond novels, then we'll talk.
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    When watching the films he's in, I've always found it strange they just didn't use Mr. White as the Blofeld of the Craig era. Not as the character, but as the returning villain pulling all the strings. Although he wasn't such a physical presence, he certainly came across as a really dangerous and clever character.

    They could even had a scene with him holding a white cat just to make us fans speculate!
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    Just came across this and since I haven't seen it posted here, I thought it should be. ;)

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    @Tuulia Me: give me a Bond movie that receives stellar reviews, BUT pisses of 99% of Bond fans, and I will be overjoyed.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    @Tuulia Me: give me a Bond movie that receives stellar reviews, BUT pisses of 99% of Bond fans, and I will be overjoyed.
    Yes, because films lauded by the critics are always so enjoyable.

  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    Tuulia wrote: »
    Just came across this and since I haven't seen it posted here, I thought it should be. ;)

    vmxwhc9pnbz11.jpg

    That would imply that EON actually listens to us.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    When watching the films he's in, I've always found it strange they just didn't use Mr. White as the Blofeld of the Craig era. Not as the character, but as the returning villain pulling all the strings. Although he wasn't such a physical presence, he certainly came across as a really dangerous and clever character.

    They could even had a scene with him holding a white cat just to make us fans speculate!

    I've said the same thing. What a lost opportunity.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited November 2018 Posts: 8,193
    ... or something more subtle, almost an “Easter egg ” , where a white Persian walks past a background doorway or is reclining on a. barely in focus sofa.
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    peter wrote: »
    When watching the films he's in, I've always found it strange they just didn't use Mr. White as the Blofeld of the Craig era. Not as the character, but as the returning villain pulling all the strings. Although he wasn't such a physical presence, he certainly came across as a really dangerous and clever character.

    They could even had a scene with him holding a white cat just to make us fans speculate!

    I've said the same thing. What a lost opportunity.

    Yep, I have always felt robbed by Mr White as he was a brilliant, menacing character who without doubt was fantastically portrayed by Jesper Christensen.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    Posts: 871
    When watching the films he's in, I've always found it strange they just didn't use Mr. White as the Blofeld of the Craig era. Not as the character, but as the returning villain pulling all the strings. Although he wasn't such a physical presence, he certainly came across as a really dangerous and clever character.

    They could even had a scene with him holding a white cat just to make us fans speculate!

    Absolutely. Someone like Mr. White could be an appropriate puppet master for the 21st century.

    Much better that the guy in a Mao suit, pulling the strings from his secret crater lair. That was overplayed long ago. So was the white cat, sorry.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    When watching the films he's in, I've always found it strange they just didn't use Mr. White as the Blofeld of the Craig era. Not as the character, but as the returning villain pulling all the strings. Although he wasn't such a physical presence, he certainly came across as a really dangerous and clever character.

    They could even had a scene with him holding a white cat just to make us fans speculate!

    I've said the same thing. What a lost opportunity.

    Yep, I have always felt robbed by Mr White as he was a brilliant, menacing character who without doubt was fantastically portrayed by Jesper Christensen.

    Absolutely, my friend.
  • edited November 2018 Posts: 17,733
    peter wrote: »
    When watching the films he's in, I've always found it strange they just didn't use Mr. White as the Blofeld of the Craig era. Not as the character, but as the returning villain pulling all the strings. Although he wasn't such a physical presence, he certainly came across as a really dangerous and clever character.

    They could even had a scene with him holding a white cat just to make us fans speculate!

    I've said the same thing. What a lost opportunity.

    Indeed. He was the perfect villain to Craig's Bond. If Mr. White was revealed to be Blofeld at some point, that wouldn't be too strange either. He certainly had the look:

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  • I imagine the credits will look something like this:

    Screenplay by Cary Joji Fukunaga and Neal Purvis & Robert Wade
    Story by Neal Purvis & Robert Wade and John Hodge [& Danny Boyle]


    It'll be very curious to see if Boyle's name is attached to the final project....


    Sounds good to me. As they always say, "7 credited screenwriters is always a great sign." I think we should toss a few more on there and aim for a baker's dozen. Wonder what Tom Stoppard's up to these days?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited November 2018 Posts: 4,576
    octofinger wrote: »

    I imagine the credits will look something like this:

    Screenplay by Cary Joji Fukunaga and Neal Purvis & Robert Wade
    Story by Neal Purvis & Robert Wade and John Hodge [& Danny Boyle]


    It'll be very curious to see if Boyle's name is attached to the final project....


    Sounds good to me. As they always say, "7 credited screenwriters is always a great sign." I think we should toss a few more on there and aim for a baker's dozen. Wonder what Tom Stoppard's up to these days?

    Tom Stoppard deserved credit on Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. According to Spielberg himself, he wrote the dialogue. I think he's retired anyway. As always Bond needs new screenwriting blood.
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