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  • edited December 2018 Posts: 5,767
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Know this already...

    Bond 25 Will Follow 'Casino Royale' Story Arc, Says Cary Fukunaga

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/movies/bond-25-will-follow-casino-royale-story-arc-says-cary-fukunaga/ar-BBQit0V?ocid=ientp
    The Headline Claims something that is not at all in the article.

    "In terms of what I can bring to change the character, Bond is on a character arc that started with Casino Royale, and I will be carrying that on. There will be changes, I am sure," Fukunaga told The Inquirer. "As in any story, a character has to change in order [to have] a narrative."

    First, he mentions Change of character even before he mentions CR.
    Then he mentions an arc that started with CR. This could be said About any of Craig´s films.
    "will be carrying that on": very ambiguous. "that" could be CR, or it could be the "arc" of the last four films.
    "a character has to Change in order to have a narrative": Great, so the Connery and Moore films had no narrative? Well, what do I Need narrative for then?

    I respect CF deeply for some of the Things he´s done so far (not all). But he bullshits like any other director before making a film.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 17,753
    Would be strange if he wasn't "bullshitting" with the journalists at this stage. No need to go into details as far as characters or story goes right now. The mention of him being a fan of the "vulnerability and humanity" that Craig added to Bond doesn't fill me with confidence that this will be a step away from the Mendes films, but we'll see.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited December 2018 Posts: 8,395
    I'm half expecting the next announcement to be that Bond 25 has been delayed until June 2020. It's hard to see how they have enough time on the current schedule.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 17,753
    I'm half expecting the next announcement to be that Bond 25 has been delayed until June 2020. It's hard to see how they have enough time on the current schedule.

    Why wouldn't they have enough time? Do you know how far they've come as to scouting locations, castings, writing the script?
  • CF is doing just fine in these comments, as far as I'm concerned. A non-specific, non-binding set of comments to the effect that work is in progress.

    He's also delivering what I've been saying EON's public-facing staff need to do for a long time now: finally, someone sounds excited about making the next Bond film! For ages now it's been a bunch of weary-sounding "I don't know anything about it" or "we haven't planned anything yet" or "I guess I'd be available if they needed me" -type answers.

    Hopefully CF projecting some optimism and excitement will kickstart things again.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,541
    octofinger wrote: »
    CF is doing just fine in these comments, as far as I'm concerned. A non-specific, non-binding set of comments to the effect that work is in progress.

    He's also delivering what I've been saying EON's public-facing staff need to do for a long time now: finally, someone sounds excited about making the next Bond film! For ages now it's been a bunch of weary-sounding "I don't know anything about it" or "we haven't planned anything yet" or "I guess I'd be available if they needed me" -type answers.

    Hopefully CF projecting some optimism and excitement will kickstart things again.

    My thoughts exactly
  • Posts: 19,339
    Looks like my hopes for a normal standalone mission film for Craig has gone out the window then.
  • Posts: 4,619
    I'm half expecting the next announcement to be that Bond 25 has been delayed until June 2020. It's hard to see how they have enough time on the current schedule.
    If that happens I’m afraid Barbara Broccoli will have to resign.
  • DrClatterhandDrClatterhand United Kingdom
    Posts: 349
    Check out Brosnan in this new advert for TV. He looks very good in it.

  • Posts: 17,753
    I'm half expecting the next announcement to be that Bond 25 has been delayed until June 2020. It's hard to see how they have enough time on the current schedule.
    If that happens I’m afraid Barbara Broccoli will have to resign.

    Does she? Who decides that then?
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,584
    Check out Brosnan in this new advert for TV. He looks very good in it.


    Damn he still looks amazing. He still could be Bond. The more i see him, the more I wish he still made more films
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited December 2018 Posts: 8,216
    I'm half expecting the next announcement to be that Bond 25 has been delayed until June 2020. It's hard to see how they have enough time on the current schedule.
    If that happens I’m afraid Barbara Broccoli will have to resign.

    ...........and we're back.
    I'm half expecting the next announcement to be that Bond 25 has been delayed until June 2020. It's hard to see how they have enough time on the current schedule.
    If that happens I’m afraid Barbara Broccoli will have to resign.

    Does she? Who decides that then?

    Panchito does, I think. I could be wrong though.
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Looks like my hopes for a normal standalone mission film for Craig has gone out the window then.

    It would be naive to think Craig's big finish would be standalone after SP. They'd have to bookend the era how they began it. As long as they do it with some sense of quality, I'll consider the era an admirably ambitious if slightly unfulfilling experiment.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 5,767
    An era spanning About 14 years should be more gratifying than "slightly unfulfilling". I dont´see anything admirable in that Concept.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Me neither.

    I'd use less generous adjectives to describe it, but we are where we are and it is what it is.

    Fukunaga is the only positive in this whole affair at present, and I think he has what it takes to deliver something interesting and worthwhile. At the very least he should be able to inject a sense of style into the whole thing, no matter what narrative direction they take.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    boldfinger wrote: »
    An era spanning About 14 years should be more gratifying than "slightly unfulfilling". I dont´see anything admirable in that Concept.

    The length of the era is the not the admirably ambitious part.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,395
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Looks like my hopes for a normal standalone mission film for Craig has gone out the window then.

    Yes, my hopes went out the window long ago, for Bond 25 to be a success in its current state. My expectations are very reserved. My only real desire is that they finally get the gunbarrel right this time, with no silly title cards.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,541
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Looks like my hopes for a normal standalone mission film for Craig has gone out the window then.

    Yes, my hopes went out the window long ago, for Bond 25 to be a success in its current state. My expectations are very reserved. My only real desire is that they finally get the gunbarrel right this time, with no silly title cards.

    Silly title cards?
  • Posts: 5,767
    boldfinger wrote: »
    An era spanning About 14 years should be more gratifying than "slightly unfulfilling". I dont´see anything admirable in that Concept.

    The length of the era is the not the admirably ambitious part.
    With such a length of time, a lot should be Pretty fulfilling.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,395
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Looks like my hopes for a normal standalone mission film for Craig has gone out the window then.

    Yes, my hopes went out the window long ago, for Bond 25 to be a success in its current state. My expectations are very reserved. My only real desire is that they finally get the gunbarrel right this time, with no silly title cards.

    Silly title cards?

    "The Dead Are Alive" or whatever. It seems like they are always doing something to mess up the gunbarrel, I would just like then to get it right for once.
  • Posts: 1,548
    Post Craig Bond has a very difficult act to follow. Can't see anyone else playing the part to be honest. Maybe Hardy or Hiddleston. But then everyone said the same after Connery. But then we had to wait for Dalton for a proper Bond actor..
  • Posts: 16,154
    Every time I look at this thread it seems there's talk of B25 being delayed yet again. So far I haven't heard anything regarding another delay. Where is this coming from?

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,205
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Every time I look at this thread it seems there's talk of B25 being delayed yet again. So far I haven't heard anything regarding another delay. Where is this coming from?

    Active imaginations

  • Posts: 16,154
    talos7 wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Every time I look at this thread it seems there's talk of B25 being delayed yet again. So far I haven't heard anything regarding another delay. Where is this coming from?

    Active imaginations

    Figured as much. It's no wonder I've made the BOND COMMENTS and BOND RANKINGS threads my home away from home.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,541
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Looks like my hopes for a normal standalone mission film for Craig has gone out the window then.

    Yes, my hopes went out the window long ago, for Bond 25 to be a success in its current state. My expectations are very reserved. My only real desire is that they finally get the gunbarrel right this time, with no silly title cards.

    Silly title cards?

    "The Dead Are Alive" or whatever. It seems like they are always doing something to mess up the gunbarrel, I would just like then to get it right for once.

    Oh, then I want that too.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited December 2018 Posts: 6,290
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Know this already...

    Bond 25 Will Follow 'Casino Royale' Story Arc, Says Cary Fukunaga

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/movies/bond-25-will-follow-casino-royale-story-arc-says-cary-fukunaga/ar-BBQit0V?ocid=ientp

    The headline is "story arc" but Fukunaga's quote is "character arc." There's a big difference.

    As an example, in B25 Bond could be dealing with the aftermath of his relationship with Swann without having extended scenes or plotlines with her or Blofeld. That's character.

    It doesn't bother me that he talks about Bond's vulnerability. Craig is best in those moments so he should go for that. CR did the best in balancing Bond's vulnerability and joie-de-vivre, SF second-best. I hope they find that balance again.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    boldfinger wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    An era spanning About 14 years should be more gratifying than "slightly unfulfilling". I dont´see anything admirable in that Concept.

    The length of the era is the not the admirably ambitious part.
    With such a length of time, a lot should be Pretty fulfilling.

    I'm not really quite sure what to say to this that would be any different to me repeating the comment I said above. The length of the era (be it 2 years, 4 years or 15) doesn't really hold any bearing on the quality of the content of the films themselves, which is what I was referring to. Not the concept of time, which is what you mixed in there. Does that make Lazenby's era the most fulfilling or the least fulfilling, then? Or Moore's?

    If you find it massively unfulfilling as opposed to my somewhat polite "slightly" (my issues are limited solely to SPECTRE now, I like the other three), then just say that instead of faffing about, please.

    An admirable failure is still admirable nonetheless. I used the word ambitious, not successful.

    But I guess arguments have been started over a lot less around here recently, so I digress.

    Anyway, Bond 25 is still on track. The overactive, trolling imaginations of some of the lesser folk here won't make that statement any less true until EON confirms it any other way.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,395
    I don't think it's overactive imaginations as much as some having a different read on the situation. I'm sure there were many who said that doubting the Nov 2019 release date was also "overactive imagination" just a few months back. That was "set in stone" as well, until it wasn't...
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    I don't think it's overactive imaginations as much as some having a different read on the situation. I'm sure there were many who said that doubting the Nov 2019 release date was also "overactive imagination" just a few months back. That was "set in stone" as well, until it wasn't...

    Exactly.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Was anybody really expecting a straightforward Bond film from Fukunaga? He's not that kind of director to begin with. He's all about character depth. The only difference between him and Mendes is that this guy knows how to pull off action scenes with believability while his predecessor couldn't, which is as evident as the sun rising from the east.

    Fukunaga's film will be as straightforward as QoS, if it were to be "straightforward". One also shouldn't read too much into that "arc" thing. All he meant was that it was going to continue the timeline established in CR, lightly keeping in touch with the previous four films while being its own thing. Why are you lot thinking it's going to be a continuation of the prior melodrama?
  • Posts: 1,092
    "Working on the script" doesn't mean they're finishing it up, could literally mean polishing up some dialogue.

    It's impossible to "literally" polish dialogue. How would that work exactly? They break out a can of polish and rub it on the script?
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