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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited December 2018 Posts: 8,395
    It doesn't make sense to bring back Swann and not Blofeld, unless she really is Bonds "happily ever after". But if that's the case, why even make Bond 25? The two rode off into the sunset together at the end of SP.

    My guess is they are still negotiating with Waltz, or in the process of recasting Blofeld.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    Posts: 871
    This is hugely disappointing to me as I didn't want any of the characters created in SP to return. All it takes now is to bring back Blofeld and Hinx, and my expectations will hit all time low.

    I will refrain from commenting further because I don't want to spread negativity. At this point, I'm only hoping the story won't be a cliche about death and revenge.
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    Remember when I told you Blofeld won’t return but Swann would? Could it be possible that I was right AGAIN? No, Bond 25 won’t be Spectre Part 2, and no, Swann won’t die in the movie.

    Uhm dude you said neither would return multiple times......

    But whatever

    As for the news I am fine with it
  • My guess is they are still negotiating with Waltz, or in the process of recasting Blofeld.

    If this turns out to be the case, my expectations for bond25 will sharply decline. Haven't learned from their mistakes indeed.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited December 2018 Posts: 8,395
    At this point, I'm only hoping the story won't be a cliche about death and revenge.

    It most likely will be, let's be honest.
  • Posts: 4,619
    It doesn't make sense to bring back Swann and not Blofeld, unless she really is Bonds "happily ever after". But if that's the case, why even make Bond 25? The two rode off into the sunset together at the end of SP.

    My guess is they are still negotiating with Waltz, or in the process of recasting Blofeld.
    Waltz won’t play Blofeld in Bond 25. Nobody will. At the end of Spectre the story of Bond and Blofeld ended, but the story of Bond and Swann only just began. The great Cary Fukunaga WON’T do an OHMSS remake!

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    Crazy theory: Swann was always going to return. BB and Craig wanted Bond and Swann to have children, but Boyle was firmly against it. BOND WILL BE A FATHER IN BOND 25! :))
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    So, the next era will be an adaptation of James Bond, Jr?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,395
    People were pretty pleased when Mendes was announced to direct Bond 24. Then they soured on him.

    People were pretty pleased when Boyle was announced to direct Bond 25. Then they soured on him.

    It wouldn't surprise me if people sour on Fukunaga. The guy is heralded as some kind of saviour, but he can pose for as many photoshoots looking stern and moody all he likes, it doesn't convince me he has the goods.

    Mendes was a pretty unique case of a somewhat prestige filmmaker coming in, and being willing to work on a vision with EON together. There was a unity there, which can be seen in SF. That unique circumstance will be harder to replicate than people realise. For every time something like that comes off, there's 10 times when it doesn't.

    Despite all the time that has past, this film feels more like a hail Mary than some meticulously planned conclusion to the Craig story arc.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Speaking for myself, I hated the fact that Mendes was returning, and Boyle dreaded me out upon announcement.

    Fukunaga doesn't seem like a saviour to me, but more of a safer choice than the other kitchen sink drama directors Eon was going for. His work on True Detective was very good, however, so I was assured he'd at least deliver competent work. With this Madeleine revelation, I'm no longer sure that'd be the case.

    Still, I won't cast the first stone without seeing anything just yet. I'll judge when I see the final product. So, we're over two years away.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,177
    Poor ideas from previous films can be course corrected in sequels. It's much too early at this point to assume anything about the B25 script, but I'm not sure that bringing back these names is a bad thing. We'll see how their characters are handled.
  • Always suspected Swann would return. And I still believe she will be "offed" which will parallel Tracy's demise in OHMSS.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,395
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    It's much too early at this point to assume anything about the B25 script, but I'm not sure that bringing back these names is a bad thing.

    Yes, that's about as positive as we can be right now. At least we're not certain it will suck yet.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »

    Great with rumours, but don't know if this is one rumour I'd like to come true. Don't mind Lea Seydoux, but the chemistry with Craig wasn't there at all, IMO.

    Re-editing my post above, this rings entirely true. This was a very specific leak. I'd bet my house she's in 25 (for how long, who knows?); maybe she and Craig, with a new director, will have some connection? Some spark?

    If Seydoux returns, then I wonder how much part of the story the character of Madeleine Swann will have – and being the the daughter of Mr. White, if Spectre will too. My first reaction was that this might end up as some sort of revenge driven plot…

    I wonder if she gets killed off early then it sets the events of the YOLT novel into order

    Maybe they can kill her off Pre-Pre-Titles.

    At the press conference?
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    vzok wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »

    Great with rumours, but don't know if this is one rumour I'd like to come true. Don't mind Lea Seydoux, but the chemistry with Craig wasn't there at all, IMO.

    Re-editing my post above, this rings entirely true. This was a very specific leak. I'd bet my house she's in 25 (for how long, who knows?); maybe she and Craig, with a new director, will have some connection? Some spark?

    If Seydoux returns, then I wonder how much part of the story the character of Madeleine Swann will have – and being the the daughter of Mr. White, if Spectre will too. My first reaction was that this might end up as some sort of revenge driven plot…

    I wonder if she gets killed off early then it sets the events of the YOLT novel into order

    Maybe they can kill her off Pre-Pre-Titles.

    At the press conference?

    Good way to get publicity lol.
  • Posts: 17,753
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I guess it will be a direct sequel, then. Eh, after 5 years will the general public even remember Madeleine Swann?


    I don't think that they remembered her a year later.

    My friends can't even remember Vesper after having seen CR multiple times over the years.
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    One of the weaknesses for me with SP was the complete lack of chemistry between Seydoux and DC. I'm not sure what a new director can do about this as some partnerships "fizz" on screen (we saw it in CR) and some don't.
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    I'm really happy that Seydoux is back for Bond 25

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  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    As someone who hated SPECTRE was one of it's most viscious critics yes news like this is very worrying.

    Although I'm not going to shoot down those so sceptical that this a terrible move as they have foundation due to the utter clust f*%k SPECTRE was.

    Though I do attribute alot of why that film was so bad to Mendes, he appears to have rubbed actors up the wrong way including DC and also he's no screenwriter yet was colloborating with Logan on the original idea.

    Cary is and a fine director. The return of Swann does kind of suggest that ESB could very well be returning either with Waltz playing him or a recast.

    Maybe the best option was decided that rather from running away from the problem was to confront and try to put it right.

    Continue the story but leave out the stuff that clearly didn't work. I've no idea how Swann is returning or what capacity she will figure in the script.

    Though rather than dismiss it all I'm going to wait and see if any other casting points towards where this might be going, surely they need to get Jeffrey Wright back as for me the best cinematic Leiter of the series?

    I will say my enthusiasum that returned with CF's appointment has taken a knock but I'm yet to resign to this all being the worst thing they could have done until more casting has been revealed.

    To be honest I hope casting is the only thing loudmouth Baz and his tabloid friends are going to ruin for us this time round, I certainly don't want the kind of leaks we got last time round.

    Would be nice to watch it on the screen Febuary 14th 2020 knowing very little of the story thanks.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I guess it will be a direct sequel, then. Eh, after 5 years will the general public even remember Madeleine Swann?


    I don't think that they remembered her a year later.

    My friends can't even remember Vesper after having seen CR multiple times over the years.
    The producers are aware of this which is why Bond 25 will be pretty much a standalone movie. They will establish at the beginning of the movie that Swann is a woman Bond has been together with for years then the standalone adventure will start.
  • 001001
    edited December 2018 Posts: 1,575
    talos7 wrote: »
    001 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »



    DC isn't a machine. He's just like you or me.
    How do you know if he's up for the task ? It's a damn hard task that's for sure.
    He's 50, got a child, as i said so he'll miss watching.

    Do you work out ? I do and it's pretty demanding and i probably do 5% of what DC will be doing.

    Doesn't anyone think he is probably facing his toughest year of his life mentally and physically making b25 ?

    Well, since you ask, yes I do work out, and have since I was 20, I'm now 55. I've raised my 21 year old daughter on my own since she was a month old. I am a professional Firefighter and I'm gone from home for 24 hours at a time every third day, including many holidays. Because I train and take care of myself I can still do my extremely difficult job with the same intensity that I had 25 years ago. I've also worked as a personal trainer and can evaluate a person's potential and capabilities fairly well.

    Daniel is more than up to the task of getting into shape in time for filming Bond 25; the truth is he isn't as out of shape as it may appear. I think he. and his director want a different look for the role In Knives Out, He may be holding a little extra weight but there are ways to make the body retain water, adding to the fuller appearance. that and makeup account for how he looks now.

    This picture is from a year and a half ago, I was 53, at 55 I'm in the same shape. I've have never taken any supplement that can't be purchased at a vitamin shop.
    50 aint what it use to be, ask Daniel ;)

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    How many hours a week do you work out ?
    You look out of shape. ;) You should work out more often. ;)
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    Oh dear....
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I guess it will be a direct sequel, then. Eh, after 5 years will the general public even remember Madeleine Swann?


    I don't think that they remembered her a year later.

    My friends can't even remember Vesper after having seen CR multiple times over the years.
    The producers are aware of this which is why Bond 25 will be pretty much a standalone movie. They will establish at the beginning of the movie that Swann is a woman Bond has been together with for years then the standalone adventure will start.

    They should resign, those producers.
  • Posts: 1,165
    Panchito, weren’t you banging on over the last few weeks about how B25 was likely cancelled given how quiet everything was on the news front? Strange to note how much of an inside track you now have...
  • Posts: 9,846
    TR007 wrote: »
    Panchito, weren’t you banging on over the last few weeks about how B25 was likely cancelled given how quiet everything was on the news front? Strange to note how much of an inside track you now have...
    To be fair I have noticed a new mustached man at Babs weekly cookie swap but I just assumed it was Peter trying out a new look
  • Posts: 11,425
    SonofSean wrote: »
    Always suspected Swann would return. And I still believe she will be "offed" which will parallel Tracy's demise in OHMSS.

    I'm fairly sure Swann will bite the dust early on. Probably in the PTS. And then it's a YOLT based on the book.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    Risico007 wrote: »
    TR007 wrote: »
    Panchito, weren’t you banging on over the last few weeks about how B25 was likely cancelled given how quiet everything was on the news front? Strange to note how much of an inside track you now have...
    To be fair I have noticed a new mustached man at Babs weekly cookie swap but I just assumed it was Peter trying out a new look

    @peter is the guy at the back in the trenchcoat with his collars up high, keeping an eye on the mustache'd man so he doesn't attempt something embarrassing. Again.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    Shardlake wrote: »
    As someone who hated SPECTRE was one of it's most viscious critics yes news like this is very worrying.

    Although I'm not going to shoot down those so sceptical that this a terrible move as they have foundation due to the utter clust f*%k SPECTRE was.

    Though I do attribute alot of why that film was so bad to Mendes, he appears to have rubbed actors up the wrong way including DC and also he's no screenwriter yet was colloborating with Logan on the original idea.

    Cary is and a fine director. The return of Swann does kind of suggest that ESB could very well be returning either with Waltz playing him or a recast.

    Maybe the best option was decided that rather from running away from the problem was to confront and try to put it right.

    Continue the story but leave out the stuff that clearly didn't work. I've no idea how Swann is returning or what capacity she will figure in the script.

    Though rather than dismiss it all I'm going to wait and see if any other casting points towards where this might be going, surely they need to get Jeffrey Wright back as for me the best cinematic Leiter of the series?

    I will say my enthusiasum that returned with CF's appointment has taken a knock but I'm yet to resign to this all being the worst thing they could have done until more casting has been revealed.

    To be honest I hope casting is the only thing loudmouth Baz and his tabloid friends are going to ruin for us this time round, I certainly don't want the kind of leaks we got last time round.

    Would be nice to watch it on the screen Febuary 14th 2020 knowing very little of the story thanks
    .

    Hmm, you don't sound like someone who doesn't want to know all about the new film prior to its release.
    You have your rant about SP and Mendes, make your own suggestions about what you do and don't want, then accuse Baz of being a loudmouth for making an announcement about the casting...which is the usual sort of news we expect from any highly anticipated film.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Risico007 wrote: »
    TR007 wrote: »
    Panchito, weren’t you banging on over the last few weeks about how B25 was likely cancelled given how quiet everything was on the news front? Strange to note how much of an inside track you now have...
    To be fair I have noticed a new mustached man at Babs weekly cookie swap but I just assumed it was Peter trying out a new look

    @peter is the guy at the back in the trenchcoat with his collars up high, keeping an eye on the mustache'd man so he doesn't attempt something embarrassing. Again.

    You are correct. And I bet you're just dying to know what I'm wearing under that trenchcoat, @CraigMooreOHMSS ...
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,134
    No news. Bond 25 is doomed.
    Still no news. Bond 25 is doomed and Barbara and Michael must be replaced.
    When are we getting news?
    Bond 25 is doomed. Barbara and Michael must be replaced and Bond will not be seen again for many years.
    Within a week...
    Possible DOP
    Possible location in Norway
    Possible return of Seydoux
    Possible return of Feinnes
    Possible return of Harris
    Possible return of Whishaw.
    Patience is a virtue. You just have to be patient.
    Personally I’m not unhappy to learn that Lea Seydoux might be coming back. Didn’t mind her in SP.
    A new director means a new take on things. I’m willing to wait and see what happens.
    I’m just glad Mendes isn’t back. Wasn’t extactic about his return after SF.
    Nice to see some Bond 25 news. Hopefully it will whet a few appetites.
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