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  • UnivexUnivex
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    peter wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    I just sent this to a fellow member-- my two cents on Madeleine's return and why it's not necessarily a large part at all:

    "My jaw dropped when I read Lea was back in... Who knows, perhaps Bond is living with her in some remote part of the world (Norway?), when for some reason he's called back to duty again.



    Perhaps Lea is the one who tells him to go-- because he has to, one more time, for Queen and Country?



    And after one helluva ride where 007 almost doesn't escape the events of the film, he's victorious and returns into the arms of the waiting madeleine? She gets a few scenes at the beginning, and one at the end. Perhaps she even thinks he's dead? Maybe everyone does. And then he surprises her with his return?

    So would Bond remain faithful; or does using sex as a tool, so to speak, to gather intel not count?
    This is a touchy subject; it’s one thing for Bond to bed the ladies when he’s unattached, but if he’s got one waiting for his return it may not be as readily accepted by a portion of the audience.

    In this hypothetical situation-- Bond would brush off the advances of the opposite sex. But, it'll come from the female villain, so won't be seen as being prudish.

    Or they have an open relationship in which Madeleine is used to having her (daddy) assassin rumbling off to somewhere unknown, meeting other people, not knowing if he'll come back. Bond is the second killer in her life. Maybe she'll try to change him - she is a psychiatrist isn't she? Or maybe she'll go with it, knowing about the tricks of the trade.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    bondjames wrote: »
    They really have to slow it down and immerse in one location again, so we get to feel the culture and experience it vicariously.

    That's exactly what has been missing from the recent films. Recent say, since the Moore era. Nowadays it's all about globetrotting. No focus, no immersion.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    Posts: 871
    Interesting debate about whether Bond will be faithful or not.

    If they keep Swann alive and in a relationship/marriage with Bond, IMO there is no way Bond will be having sex with other women. Unlike 1969, these days it's not wise to have Bond cheat on his girlfriend, even if it's for the sake of the mission. Such a move would practically be an invitation for the critics to slam the film, and I think EON are not stupid to do that.

    So, basically, Bond bedding other women will happen only if Swan dies or if they break up.

    We've never had a faithful Bond before (TLD came close), and perhaps this will be one of the new things injected into the series.

  • Tuck91Tuck91
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    Swan might simply return as a dr working for mi6 and has to evaluate bond at some point in the film. It could be as small as that.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    What about consenting adults. Queen and country.

    Surely Fukunaga wants to make a Bond film.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I’ve always thought that if Bond ever committed to a single woman, he would show the same dedication to her as he does Queen and country.
    It will be interesting to see how this is handled.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    This film is being released globally on Valentine's Day after all, so it perhaps has to cater to an extent to the prevailing sentiments. I'd imagine Bond will remain monogamous in this one, especially if Swann is back.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Swann is either there to break up with Bond, for Bond to break up with her, or to be killed. If they're together at the start of the film, I highly doubt that'll be the case by the end.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Swann is either there to break up with Bond, for Bond to break up with her, or to be killed. If they're together at the start of the film, I highly doubt that'll be the case by the end.

    We can only hope...

  • FrankXavierFrankXavier
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    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    I was just making a wild guess. A "mystery woman" makes me thing along those lines.
    It sounds like a Severine type of role.

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I wonder if they'll bring back Kincade. There was a lot more to be used with his character.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I wonder if they'll bring back Kincade. There was a lot more to be used with his character.
    I believe Albert Finney has retired from acting.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,474
    I love Kincade. Hopefully we can get a new ally or two as good as that for B25.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,812
    A monogamous Bond is an oxymoron. Like a Bond that doesn't kill. Or doesn't have vices like alcohol.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited December 2018 Posts: 11,425
    Bond will be married and retired at the start of B25. We might even get 10-15 minutes of domestic bliss. A glimpse of the life he wants but ultimately can never have. Bit like the OHMSS sequences where he's courting Tracy.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    Would it be wrong to have Bond in a relationship with Swann as we saw at the end of SP.
    Leaving the service and settling down. However of course Bond cant settle down, and the story of Bond 25 involves Bond juggling his commitment to his country and to the woman he loves.
    The return of Lea Seydoux to me doesn't have to mean that she plays a major role or a minor one. Nothing is known about the plot yet, so it's too early to say. I don't think Cary Fukunaga will want to take the reins from Mendes and make a sequel to SP, rather inject the film and characters with his own vision, whilst keeping them the same character deep down.
    I don't see him being a director who would just be a whipping boy for EON, making the film that they want. All directors put their own stamp on a movie, I cant see Fukunaga not wanting to make his idea of a Bond film.
    I'm just happy we have something to discuss. It's got me excited for more news and filming in 2019 and of course the films release in 2020.




  • GetafixGetafix
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    It's not what I wanted personally as Swann was very underwhelming but Cary has to be given a chance to pull it off.

    He's obviously been given a basic premise he's been told he needs to follow and he's working on the detail of the narrative and dialogue.
  • dramaticscenesofQOSdramaticscenesofQOS
    Posts: 1,282
    Madeline Swann, is coming back.


    That's Mr. White's daughter, everyone! Thank you Mr. Fukunaga!

    Keep the Casino Royale arc going for this adventure.

  • BounineBounine
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,599
    bondjames wrote: »
    Bounine wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Bounine wrote: »
    Never seen any of True Detective but I hear that season one is excellent.
    I think you'll like it @Bounine, given you're a fan of Twin Peaks. It's got that similar weirdness going on.

    Sounds great. I’ll have to check it out.
    Just to clarify also, any similarity is at a high cursory level. They are fundamentally different shows.

    Where there's some similarity is in the off-beat small town location, a murder of a young woman as the window through which we are introduced to series of strange local characters, in the fact that a couple of intrepid (one rather eccentric and philosophizing and the other pretty conventional and yet folksy) outsiders are investigating, in the involvement of something (or someone) dark, hidden & yet pervasive (I can't give more away without spoiling it), in the somewhat surreal cinematography and distinct atmosphere, and in the impact the case has on the investigators.

    They are otherwise very different shows, and TD doesn't have any of the distinctive quirky humour or mood of Twin Peaks. It's far more introspective. Show founder Nic Pizzolato is apparently a fan. Another show which reminded me similarly of Twin Peaks is AMC's The Killing (also excellent).

    *************************

    Yeah, I wondered this. I never expected it to be on the same level as Lynch in terms of quirkiness and surrealism. I have the show now and I'm looking forward to watching it. I wonder how much of this style will be incorporated into Bond 25. Knowing that Bond is producer driven, maybe not much. Well, there's nothing wrong with shooting a film in the vein of the adjectives you used to describe True Detective. What you've described isn't on the same level as Lynch's work in terms of the bizarre.

    If it's true about Madeline returning for 25, I'm happy with this news. I hope for some decent character work. I just hope the a actual mission won't be a personal one yet again. Please don't make her or Bond associated with the villain again! What sell outs they will have become if this is so. Regarding the female Mi6 agent Bond is to work with, I hope she'll only be in no more than a quarter of the story. If she's present during the course of the whole movie, this will be disappointing. Bond is predominantly a loner who primarily works alone.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Bond will be married and retired at the start of B25. We might even get 10-15 minutes of domestic bliss. A glimpse of the life he wants but ultimately can never have. Bit like the OHMSS sequences where he's courting Tracy.
    Getting married and domestic bliss could make a lot of sense if the whole film would build up towards it. At the beginning of the film it would be a waste of time, since even the most ignorant Bond moviegoer knows that James Bond is not a familiy man and the actual Story of the film is something else. MI3 had the same Problem, the actual MI Story would have worked without the Family stuff as well, thus making the latter redundant.

    Unless of Course they go all the way and make a full-fledged Undercover Blues film. If they really do it and leave out the stupid reminders that were in some other films, I´d be game.

    If it´s done Right, everything is possible.

  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
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    I really like the idea of Rami Malek as the villain. Anyone who has seen Mr Robot will know how nuisanced an actor he is in that show. He conveys a lot with those big bug eyes as a depressed hacker. It's been an award-winning role for him.

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    However, Justin Kroll at Variety has suggested on Twitter that Malek had to pass:



    Though the interest in him as the villain seems to suggest they are afte a younger man, American, possibly with a Middle Eastern look...perhaps Oscar Issac or Riz Ahmed?

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I actually like Oscar Isaac as the villain. He'd fair rather greatly, in my opinion.

    Ahmed seems to play roles that are mere supporting characters, which fits him the most. Once you've seen him in Jason Bourne (2016), you know his general performance archetype.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    I really like the idea of Rami Malek as the villain. Anyone who has seen Mr Robot will know how nuisanced an actor he is in that show. He conveys a lot with those big bug eyes as a depressed hacker. It's been an award-winning role for him.

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    However, Justin Kroll at Variety has suggested on Twitter that Malek had to pass:



    Though the interest in him as the villain seems to suggest they are afte a younger man, American, possibly with a Middle Eastern look...perhaps Oscar Issac or Riz Ahmed?

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    Riz Ahmed is a Brit just for info. Doubt they'd cast a Muslim man as the main villain for political correctness reasons. Ahmed is good but don't see him as a main villain. Just watched The Night Of recently- highly recommend it if anyone hadn't seen it.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
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    If not Rami Malek, Oscar Isaac sure wouldn't be a bad option.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited December 2018 Posts: 5,185
    It's interesting that they are looking for a middle eastern villain again, if you guys remember we had that Suggestion already made a couple month ago by Said Taghmaoui who said he was already cast by Boyle. I would not mind him either if thats still the case.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    So no other real news yet, right? Lea is back but we have no idea if for 5 minutes or a tad longer or for half the film. I just want Cary to give me the Bond film I feel he is capable of. I say that still hoping this is not going to follow OHMSS much at all. But I do have faith in this director. I personally hope her time is limited and finished with early in the film. But we shall simply have to wait and see. Like we always did before social media. We knew the cast and that was about it until the trailer hit theaters. ;)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited December 2018 Posts: 8,400
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Just occurred to me; SP to B25 is the same span of time as OHMSS to TMWTGG. One Bond, two films versus three Bonds, four films. Or, SP to B25 = DN, FRWL, GF, TB, YOLT. Damned well better be up to the task.

    Yes, and isn't it also the first time we have only two Bond films in a decade soon?

    2009 - 2019 we only got Skyfall and SPECTRE.

    That really put into perspective how brutal these long breaks are.

    There may be another long break after B25 as well, so they had better deliver something special.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,169
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Just occurred to me; SP to B25 is the same span of time as OHMSS to TMWTGG. One Bond, two films versus three Bonds, four films. Or, SP to B25 = DN, FRWL, GF, TB, YOLT. Damned well better be up to the task.

    Yes, and isn't it also the first time we have only two Bond films in a decade soon?

    2009 - 2019 we only got Skyfall and SPECTRE.

    That really put into perspective how brutal these long breaks are.

    There may be another long break after B25 as well, so they had better deliver something special.

    I hate to say it, but it wouldn't surprise me if B25 is the only Bond film released in the 2020's.
    I hope that's not the case, though.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Just occurred to me; SP to B25 is the same span of time as OHMSS to TMWTGG. One Bond, two films versus three Bonds, four films. Or, SP to B25 = DN, FRWL, GF, TB, YOLT. Damned well better be up to the task.

    Yes, and isn't it also the first time we have only two Bond films in a decade soon?

    2009 - 2019 we only got Skyfall and SPECTRE.

    That really put into perspective how brutal these long breaks are.

    There may be another long break after B25 as well, so they had better deliver something special.

    I hate to say it, but it wouldn't surprise me if B25 is the only Bond film released in the 2020's.
    I hope that's not the case, though.

    I think it could be a 5 year wait after B25 while EON sell up, so they need to get this one right.

    I have serious doubts about Fukunaga on a series like this, and don't what exactly he can bring that would be beneficial. Right now, what is taking shape is that they are moving ahead with the YOLT script from P+W, with input from Fukunaga. I don't think he will have much influence on the main story beats, just finessing to his particular sensibilities. Again, I don't think he was chosen for his talents, but because he was available on short notice, and fit the bill of a director that Craig was happy with.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    I don't think he will have much influence on the main story beats, just finessing to his particular sensibilities.

    Whether that is true or not, can you guess which recent Bond director has had limited influence on the story beats of the 2 outings he helmed? (Hint: one of the last 5 members to post on this thread has a picture of the answer in his profile picture).
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