No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Posts: 17,757
    Tuxedo wrote: »
    Imagine colorful and bright exotic places. Q sends Bond equipment like Little Nelly. Felix teams up with Bond to go after a larger than life villain with a creepy henchman. Some scuba diving, some skiing. Nothing personal - just a clear mission. And a lot of style in drinks, food and clothing. All this set up today with today's music. Well...*sigh*

    Been waiting for that Bond film since 2006.

    Your wish may get true now that CF on board but things will be a little personal but not like previous one's.

    The issue for me with the Craig era more than anything, is the never-ending personal angle. This is why his tenure as Bond will never get my full appreciation, as we've yet to see just a "good 'ol" Bond mission. It's very tiresome, IMO.
  • In many ways, the last true Bond mission where he's given a job to do and does it, and it's not personal was Tomorrow Never Dies.
    Every one since has had a personal angle, or has Bond 'going rogue'. When he first went rogue in LTK, it was a breath of fresh air. Now, it seems he's always asking Q to help him 'disappear'.
    I think Bond stand-alone missions might only be of interest to us seasoned aficionados still thinking back to the classic Connery/Moore era.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    shamanimal wrote: »
    In many ways, the last true Bond mission where he's given a job to do and does it, and it's not personal was Tomorrow Never Dies.
    Every one since has had a personal angle, or has Bond 'going rogue'. When he first went rogue in LTK, it was a breath of fresh air. Now, it seems he's always asking Q to help him 'disappear'.
    I think Bond stand-alone missions might only be of interest to us seasoned aficionados still thinking back to the classic Connery/Moore era.

    Yeah, that's just Bond to me. The simplicity of the early films is what makes them so powerful and enthralling some 50 years on. They're snappy, kitsch popcorn entertainment. I'm somewhat aghast nowadays when a new Bond film is announced and we're discussing which Oscar winning, or indie director will get the job. It seems we have lost a sense of what Bond really is in the DNA sense. It's been so long...
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    I just want a Bond film that is critically acclaimed but pisses of 99% of Bond fans.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I just want a Bond film that is critically acclaimed but pisses of 99% of Bond fans.
    Go find another franchise, then.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,184
    I just want a Bond film that is critically acclaimed but pisses of 99% of Bond fans.

    You mean Die Another Day?

    Okay, just joking.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 5,767
    So those who are obsessed would spam this thread, while those who contribute in a positive way would let that happen. I don't see the benefit.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    boldfinger wrote: »
    So those who are obsessed would spam this thread, while those who contribute in a positive way would let that happen. I don't see the benefit.

    I wouldn't have agreed with you two weeks ago, but you're absolutely right now. Stuff is starting to come to light and whether we find it good or bad, at least there's a general aim to the discussion from those who make the effort to provide decent conversation.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    I just want a Bond film that is critically acclaimed but pisses of 99% of Bond fans.
    SF then? At least that was the impression I got when I joined this forum, and saw all these open threads blasting the film. They've all dried up now, since SP took polarization to a whole new level for the fandom.
  • RC7RC7
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    I just want a Bond film that is critically acclaimed but pisses of 99% of Bond fans.

    MI6’s pound shop provocateur.
  • Posts: 4,619
    I just want a Bond film that is critically acclaimed but pisses of 99% of Bond fans.
    Go find another franchise, then.
    Why would I do that? I love the Bond franchise. I just happen to firmly believe that it's impossible to elevate the franchise to a whole new level without offending the vast majority of Bond fans.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    I just want a Bond film that is critically acclaimed but pisses of 99% of Bond fans.
    Go find another franchise, then.
    Why would I do that? I love the Bond franchise. I just happen to firmly believe that it's impossible to elevate the franchise to a whole new level without offending the vast majority of Bond fans.
    Doesn't seem to look that way. All you want to see is the deconstruction of the franchise until it becomes something completely different one hardly recognizes it, if at all.

    Perhaps they should make a film entirely about the Scooby Gang.
  • Posts: 17,757
    I just want a Bond film that is critically acclaimed but pisses of 99% of Bond fans.
    Go find another franchise, then.
    Why would I do that? I love the Bond franchise. I just happen to firmly believe that it's impossible to elevate the franchise to a whole new level without offending the vast majority of Bond fans.

    CR didn't offend the vast majority of Bond fans – nor the critics.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I just want a Bond film that is critically acclaimed but pisses of 99% of Bond fans.
    Go find another franchise, then.
    Why would I do that? I love the Bond franchise. I just happen to firmly believe that it's impossible to elevate the franchise to a whole new level without offending the vast majority of Bond fans.

    So you've said before. Although I know I shouldn't, I will bite this time: what's the evidence you have for saying such a thing? There are way more Bond fans worldwide, than on this forum-- but taking this forum as a small sample size, there are some damn sophisticated people that read and contribute here, so what's your evidence? And what changes should/would be made that would piss off the fan base, lol?
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,541
    I just want a Bond film that is critically acclaimed but pisses of 99% of Bond fans.
    Go find another franchise, then.
    Why would I do that? I love the Bond franchise. I just happen to firmly believe that it's impossible to elevate the franchise to a whole new level without offending the vast majority of Bond fans.
    Doesn't seem to look that way. All you want to see is the deconstruction of the franchise until it becomes something completely different one hardly recognizes it, if at all.

    Perhaps they should make a film entirely about the Scooby Gang.

    Lol . Yes and bond will die in the pts, Madeline will join MP on a mission and later they both will settled down as lesbian couple.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited December 2018 Posts: 15,718
    If anyone wants to offend Bond fans should start by saying once and for all that Thomas Newman is the worst composer to have worked on the franchise, since he's the one who started adding the Bond theme in its full form in SF after David Arnold had successfully only used the theme in the end credits. You can't piss off Bond fans when you start re-using traditional elements like Newman did.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    CR elevated the franchise to a whole new level, at least in my opinion, and it was both critically acclaimed and very well received by the fans.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    I just want a Bond film that is critically acclaimed but pisses of 99% of Bond fans.
    Go find another franchise, then.
    Why would I do that? I love the Bond franchise. I just happen to firmly believe that it's impossible to elevate the franchise to a whole new level without offending the vast majority of Bond fans.
    Doesn't seem to look that way. All you want to see is the deconstruction of the franchise until it becomes something completely different one hardly recognizes it, if at all.

    Perhaps they should make a film entirely about the Scooby Gang.
    Lol . Yes and bond will die in the pts, Madeline will join MP on a mission and later they both will settled down as lesbian couple.
    Haha! Quite! That should teach the Bond fans! :))
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    I just want a Bond film that is critically acclaimed but pisses of 99% of Bond fans.
    Go find another franchise, then.
    Why would I do that? I love the Bond franchise. I just happen to firmly believe that it's impossible to elevate the franchise to a whole new level without offending the vast majority of Bond fans.

    CR didn't offend the vast majority of Bond fans – nor the critics.
    It was 12 years ago now, but you're right about this. It was the right film for the time, even though it wasn't as financially successful as it was critically lauded.

    SF was significantly more successful but it also was much more polarizing. Therein lies the dilemma they have now. They've brought many more people along for the ride who they have to please. Not just us geeks.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 4,619
    Some Bond movies the vast majority of Bond fans would hate but I would love to see:

    1. A Bond movie with Bond only having a supporting role
    2. A Bond movie without any villains
    3. A Bond movie made up of 4-6 independent short films, each about a small mission
  • Posts: 17,757
    Some Bond movies the vast majority of Bond fans would hate but I would love to see:

    1. A Bond movie with Bond only having a supporting role
    2. A Bond movie without any villains
    3. A Bond movie made up of 4-6 independent short films, each about a small mission

    Neither of those are likely to happen.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited December 2018 Posts: 24,184
    Some Bond movies the vast majority of Bond fans would hate but I would love to see:

    1. A Bond movie with Bond only having a supporting role
    2. A Bond movie without any villains
    3. A Bond movie made up of 4-6 independent short films, each about a small mission

    So what you're really saying is that you don't want an elevated Bond movie, you want a Bond movie that isn't a Bond movie?

    A direct adaptation of Fleming's TSWLM might come close to what you want. Bond only drops by much later in the story, the villains are, at best, two thugs sent by someone we don't even get to see and you can tell the love stories of Viv, her dealings with the owners of the motel, Bond's pursuit of Blofeld and of course the actual events of the book.

    EDIT: Your three points feel like what Jon Peters had ordered from Kevin Smith's Superman Lives script, according to Smith himself:

    1) Supes won't fly.
    2) He won't be wearing the costume.
    3) He has to fight a giant ******** spider at the end of the movie.

    ;-)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,400
    bondjames wrote: »
    I just want a Bond film that is critically acclaimed but pisses of 99% of Bond fans.
    Go find another franchise, then.
    Why would I do that? I love the Bond franchise. I just happen to firmly believe that it's impossible to elevate the franchise to a whole new level without offending the vast majority of Bond fans.

    CR didn't offend the vast majority of Bond fans – nor the critics.
    It was 12 years ago now, but you're right about this. It was the right film for the time, even though it wasn't as financially successful as it was critically lauded.

    SF was significantly more successful but it also was much more polarizing. Therein lies the dilemma they have now. They've brought many more people along for the ride who they have to please. Not just us geeks.

    SF is not controversial or polarizing outside of the fandom. In fact I would say the general public slightly prefers SF, in Britain anyway, because it has more of a classic flair, and includes the MI6 regulars. I think CR is a little bit low-scale for the general punters liking.

    But I think for fans, Casino is the solid favourite - rightfully.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Some Bond movies the vast majority of Bond fans would hate but I would love to see:

    1. A Bond movie with Bond only having a supporting role
    2. A Bond movie without any villains
    3. A Bond movie made up of 4-6 independent short films, each about a small mission

    So what you're really saying is that you don't want an elevated Bond movie, you want a Bond movie that isn't a Bond movie?

    A direct adaptation of Fleming's TSWLM might come close to what you want. Bond only drops by much later in the story, the villains are, at best, two thugs sent by someone we don't even get to see and you can tell the love stories of Viv, her dealings with the owners of the motel, Bond's pursuit of Blofeld and of course the actual events of the book.
    I don't care about the Bond formula, I care about Bond as a character. Any movie James Bond appears in is a Bond movie in my book.
  • Posts: 17,757
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Some Bond movies the vast majority of Bond fans would hate but I would love to see:

    1. A Bond movie with Bond only having a supporting role
    2. A Bond movie without any villains
    3. A Bond movie made up of 4-6 independent short films, each about a small mission

    So what you're really saying is that you don't want an elevated Bond movie, you want a Bond movie that isn't a Bond movie?

    A direct adaptation of Fleming's TSWLM might come close to what you want. Bond only drops by much later in the story, the villains are, at best, two thugs sent by someone we don't even get to see and you can tell the love stories of Viv, her dealings with the owners of the motel, Bond's pursuit of Blofeld and of course the actual events of the book.
    I don't care about the Bond formula, I care about Bond as a character. Any movie James Bond appears in is a Bond movie in my book.

    A Bond film where he is a supporting character isn't a Bond film. That's a film which happen to have Bond in it. Major difference.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    But I think for fans, Casino is the solid favourite - rightfully.

    I think so too. The fluke BO results of SF notwithstanding, I'm confident that in the end, CR will remain many fans' favourite Craig Bond. It's also the one that I find consistently popping up in the number 1 spot in people's lists.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    I just want a Bond film that is critically acclaimed but pisses of 99% of Bond fans.
    Go find another franchise, then.
    Why would I do that? I love the Bond franchise. I just happen to firmly believe that it's impossible to elevate the franchise to a whole new level without offending the vast majority of Bond fans.

    CR didn't offend the vast majority of Bond fans – nor the critics.
    It was 12 years ago now, but you're right about this. It was the right film for the time, even though it wasn't as financially successful as it was critically lauded.

    SF was significantly more successful but it also was much more polarizing. Therein lies the dilemma they have now. They've brought many more people along for the ride who they have to please. Not just us geeks.

    SF is not controversial or polarizing outside of the fandom. In fact I would say the general public slightly prefers SF, in Britain anyway, because it has more of a classic flair, and includes the MI6 regulars. I think CR is a little bit low-scale for the general punters liking.

    But I think for fans, Casino is the solid favourite - rightfully.
    I agree. I was more referring to it polarizing the fandom. CR is universally praised for the most part, but is an average success. SF is much more successful and popular in general, but is polarizing for us. Same goes for SP.
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    I'm just curious and a bit put off why their releasing it on Valentine's Day? What could that mean. Fifty shades of bond?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited December 2018 Posts: 8,400
    @PanchitoPistoles sounds like you want Rian Johnson to direct Bond 25, *laughing face*.

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi/
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    Craig seems to get tarred with the personal angle but it didn't start in his era.

    Yes it's more intense but Brosnan was doing it from TWINE onwards.

    I don't necessarily think they'll jetison the idea entirely with the next Bond, probably not so integral to the plot but it will be there still.

    I think the days of A to B travelogues where Bond is just used as a device to get you from one scene to another with no real insight into the character are long gone.

    I don't think you'll find any subsequent actor taking on the part not wanting to dig into Bond's psyche and show what makes him tick.

    DC's Bond has shown this and the next actor will want their chance to show their Bond isn't just some cool guy by the name of James Bond who goes on missions.

    The element of the fanbase that want this back again I'm afraid are likely to be disappointed. I could be wrong but the way that things have moved on I don't see the kind of Bond that Connery or Moore played ever happening again.
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