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I have no problem with Bond 25 having a message and exploring a theme, as long as they can keep intact that familar sense of style and flair the series is known for. I miss the experience of watching a Bond film to be thrilled, first and foremost, which does not seem to be the goal anymore. If they can find a way of doing that which feels authentic, and having more to say at the same time - brilliant!
Do GE and CR answer to that description?
Vesper didn't exactly turned a villianous but yet she did betrayed him . But @bondjames and @DarthDimi brings some really great insight which I didn't thought before.i might have to watch SP again. I am now even more excited for bond 25 then I was before.
I would say yes, but those were not thematic as much as grounded with a slight more focus on character. Even CR is quite reserved compared with where the next 3 films went.
I see what people are saying when they say that those old films are outdated, and maybe its true thst we won't again have a sequence of Bond bedding one woman while another is shoved in the closet. Theres plenty of wacky shananigans back then that would just seem too much like aping the past were they repeated. But they have to keep up some aspect, some element of tradition. I think for Bond this is a vibrance and swagger which was there from the start.
I wonder if Craig has wrapped filming?
True enough. And yes, I agree that the previous couple of films have been relatively bleak and that a thorough character study of Bond isn't necessarily hampered by what I'll call, for lack of a better term, cheerful hedonism. The Nassau section of CR, with Bond laughingly winning Dimitrios's car and his girl, and Bond meeting Vesper are among the last "amusing" scenes I've seen in the Bonds. What is there in the next three films amounts to little more than a few short moments, often enveloped in a single spoken line.
It's a difficult balance, for sure. Take LTK for example. A brutal film, constantly punching us in the stomach. First Della, then Felix, then Sharky. Bond resigns and is almost shot by his own people. Then he's set loose in Enemyland with no backup and both Hongkong Narcotics and MI6 moving in on him; and they mean business. Bond tells them to piss off--is this the same Bond that put a parrot on the phone with Thatcher? All the while, Bond is planning a dirty deed, an unglamorous act of revenge. Really, where's the fun? And then Q drops by, and we get one visual joke after another, the biggest of all being the fact that this silly grampa with his Hanna Barbera gadgets like explosive toothpaste and killer cameras will actually assist Bond in his plans. Imagine Inspector Clouseau stepping in to help The Man With No Name do his thing in FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE. LTK tried to cure its own darkness with a medicine that felt completely out of touch with the rest of the film. The Q scenes eat away some of the strength that I admire in LTK. If that's what they will do to add a little joy to an otherwise pretty dark film, I prefer the darkness all the way; like in the case of chocolate, when I'll take the bitter 95 % cacao version in its purest form if the only thing they've got to sweeten it out with is banana candy for the wee ones.
Excuse me?
Is there a portal?
How about a drama that follows Bond's journey to become a chess grandmaster? An action free movie, but with a lot of intrigue and romance.
To be fair it started with LTK.
I don't consider the themes of the movies part of the equation, if I have to judge character's actions. BTW yes, since she's coming back I hope they'll capitalize her presence exploring this relationship. Honestly I'm against the idea of killing her in the firs couple of minutes.
Very well said. I felt they had great chemistry as well and you made a great observation about Madeleine and her isolation.
Great performance by Seydoux. Look at the eye contact and finesse in her execution.
BTW, this is one of the scenes, along with the backstory about someone (Blofeld?) coming to her house, which makes me think she can be a decent villain. There was enough left to the imagination which can be filled in.
I guess some of us don't have an issue with Seydoux or her acting abilities or anything – but rather that the character of Madeline feels thinly written (like the rest of the film), and forgettable. Bringing her back might make up for that opinion, if Cary does his things well, but it might backfire too.
Hopefully. She was great in SP and I really hope she won't suffer a Tracy treatment in 25 but at the same time it's almost impossible that she will have the same amount of screen time and resonance in the new movie. BTW this video also reminds how beautiful the cinematography of this movie is.
Evidence for this ofcoarse being that people who were great in skyfall ( moneypenny, Q, Mallory) had “bad” acting and bad dialogue in spectre. Perhaps it was all down to the writing. However it was more or less the same writing group as skyfall.... well at least we’ve got somewhat new writers on this new one
I think my favorite scene of Madeline from SP was in L'american one.
Absolutely nothing about seydoux as an actress- the scene above is well acted. It was the abysmal writing.
I was intriuged by the possibility of craig’s bond on a mission in russia, and it has absolutely nothing to do with us politics (about which you would probably find my views repulsive).
Bad writing abounds in SF and SP IMO. I really don't know what Mendes was playing at given his experience in the theatre etc. Both films sadly feel rather cobbled together.
Seydoux just seems miscast. Little chemistry there. Odd they want her back. Still, let's see what happens.
I love Seydoux as an actress. From her minor character in Ghost Protocol to Blue Is the Warmest Colour and beyond. But, she was terribly miscast. I don't think she fares well as Vesper/Tracy type with a troubled past who just happens to warm up to Bond in time. She's more of the Irma Bunt type.