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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    That's an interesting idea @patb. It will definitely explain (after the fact) why Craig Bond seemed so disinterested in his partner ("you're leaving?"). It's because he was on to it, and playing along to get a read on the 'big picture' and associated elements. I like it.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited December 2018 Posts: 8,217
    I'm not mad on these suggestions, personally. It's this type of retroactive storytelling that made SP such a disappointment in the first place.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 4,617
    If it wasn't leaked, you could have a great scene where Swann had Bond over a barrel and gives him some great speech about how woman had always been his weakness and Vespa proved that his vision became fogged by sex appeal/love etc etc and then a great reveal (and redemption for the DC character) when we see that Bond had her sussed all along (something like the tracker would show that he knew/suspected during SP) and had planned for this.

    It would be interesting and shine a new light on thier relationship during SP. The whole thing as a game.

    In fact, with that plot idea in mind, take a look at the final scene here and freeze at 1.11. Bond is smirking/confident but makes no eye contact. He knows what she knows.....

  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    I like this idea for sure. There are a number of possibilities they could fulfill with Seydoux's return. I would even like to see her being used as a pawn (like Vesper). Perhaps we could have an ending where Madeline tries to off herself, but Bond prevents her death. Therefore, he would redeem himself from never saving Vesper in time. I don't know. I'm just spewing thoughts.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,541
    patb wrote: »
    If it wasn't leaked, you could have a great scene where Swann had Bond over a barrel and gives him some great speech about how woman had always been his weakness and Vespa proved that his vision became fogged by sex appeal/love etc etc and then a great reveal (and redemption for the DC character) when we see that Bond had her sussed all along (something like the tracker would show that he knew/suspected during SP) and had planned for this.

    It would be interesting and shine a new light on thier relationship during SP. The whole thing as a game.

    In fact, with that plot idea in mind, take a look at the final scene here and freeze at 1.11. Bond is smirking/confident but makes no eye contact. He knows what she knows.....


    Lovely I always wanted her to be villianous and also just like Blofeld was Oberhouser may be Irma bunt was using a cover name as Swann . A bit ridiculous but could be done with proper storytelling.
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    That actually is a pretty cool idea. If executed well, I’d love to see it happen.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 4,617
    I think I will have to watch SP again and see if it could really work. We would have to see that that the whole climax in the blown up building was a setup and Blofeld only blew it up after he knew Swann was clear and it was a set up to test Bond and create a relationship (the author of more pain), also , I suppose we see that Swann had betrayed her father and turned to the "dark side?" so Blofeld was actually her new father figure.

    Blofeld did not expect to get shot down but did expect Bond to fall for Swann and she would twist Bond this way and that way and she would report back to him.

    The scene at the Spectre HQ where Swann is shown the suicide video is also a bluff to stir Bond's sympathy for Swann and Blofeld can see clearly how much Bond cares for Swann.

    It's getting rather complicated.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,541
    Quickly someone get these ideas to EON before it's too late.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,589
    Quickly someone get these ideas to EON before it's too late.

    To the Scooby Mobile!!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The only issue I have is Blofeld getting half his face blown off. Would he have willingly agreed to such a disfiguring outcome?

    Unless Swann herself is conflicted and has feelings for Bond which she's hiding from Blofeld. So she 'turned' in that HQ room.

    I still think they can make something out of the "One day a man came to our house" thing from the train. We don't know everything about that story. Recall that Blofeld mentions something about that when he meets Swann at HQ and she coyly replys that she doesn't remember. An act?
  • Posts: 4,617
    Well, Blofeld did not plan for Bond to escape at that point (and therefore did not plan the injury) but seeing him escape with Swann told him everything re how he had duped Bond,

    also, at the end, we never see Blofeld actually capture Swann in order to tie her up in the building. She was in on it.

    The escape scene in the Land Rovers needs explaining as she uses the syringe on the bad guy...perhaps it doesnt hang together after all.
  • FoxRox wrote: »
    That actually is a pretty cool idea. If executed well, I’d love to see it happen.

    Really?

    These ideas are bad. Also, it’s entertaining fan fiction, but audiences won’t remember about individual scenes from SP. If you kept at your theory, you would have to justify why Mr White even bothered telling Bond to protect Madeleine after Spectre had poisoned him….

    It’s simple – Bond rode off into the sunset with Madeleine beside him.

    You have numerous options available when it comes to reintroducing her:

    ✦ Madeleine is the lead and the central love interest of the film;
    ✦ Madeleine is a supporting character who is killed off at some point which provides the narrative engine of the film;
    ✦ Madeleine is a supporting character and we see her break-up with Bond or he has to turn to her for advice at some point; and
    ✦ Madeleine is dead before the film starts and appears in flashbacks or dream sequences.

    It’ll be one of the above, or a combination of two.
  • Posts: 12,474
    If they could get it to work, I think it would be quite interesting - at least if they decide they want to do a pretty direct sequel to SP. Madeleine could be used in so many ways.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2018 Posts: 23,883
    patb wrote: »
    The escape scene in the Land Rovers needs explaining as she uses the syringe on the bad guy...perhaps it doesnt hang together after all.
    Goes to show how difficult it is to salvage anything from this mess. Looks like we will have to continue to believe, against the odds (for some of us) that there are some true feelings between Swann and Bond.

    I don't envy Fukunaga and poor P&W. May the force be with them.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    bondjames wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    The escape scene in the Land Rovers needs explaining as she uses the syringe on the bad guy...perhaps it doesnt hang together after all.
    Goes to show how difficult it is to salvage anything from this mess. Looks like we will have to continue to believe, against the odds (for some of us) that there are some true feelings between Swann and Bond.

    I don't envy Fukunaga and poor P&W. May the force be with them.

    I am confident that the reason for her return is far simpler than anything written above.
  • Posts: 4,617
    The issue is that so much has been done before. OHMMS and CR showed us what Bond looked like in love and what he looked like when he lost his love. SP was bereft of this,

    there is zero emotion and zero chemistry. So, I dont think the audiance will care either way. There was something a little creepy about her and their relationaship was weird. If they can use that in a way that creates drama, then thats a direction to do go IMHO
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2018 Posts: 23,883
    patb wrote: »
    There was something a little creepy about her and their relationaship was weird.
    You have very succinctly and clearly articulated my feelings about the character and the relationship as depicted.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,541
    Damn, there are lot of plot holes which needs to be filled if they are going to continue with SP.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited December 2018 Posts: 6,304
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    I like this idea for sure. There are a number of possibilities they could fulfill with Seydoux's return. I would even like to see her being used as a pawn (like Vesper). Perhaps we could have an ending where Madeline tries to off herself, but Bond prevents her death. Therefore, he would redeem himself from never saving Vesper in time. I don't know. I'm just spewing thoughts.

    Cue the Garden of Death.

    Look, I fully believe Mendes intended to show Madeleine as Bond's latest "true love," despite the lack of any chemistry between Craig and Seydoux (aside from briefly at L'Americain). Seriously, she could have played Bond's sister.

    I'm almost certain that Swann is headed for an OHMSS-style death, or alternately a FRWL-inspired breakup (which might be too low-key for cinematic Bond).

    Still, there's no reason why they couldn't retrofit B25 much better than they did SP. And the easiest way is if Swann turned bad. She does have that icy blonde Hitchcock vibe going on...
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    FoxRox wrote: »
    That actually is a pretty cool idea. If executed well, I’d love to see it happen.

    Really?

    These ideas are bad. Also, it’s entertaining fan fiction, but audiences won’t remember about individual scenes from SP. If you kept at your theory, you would have to justify why Mr White even bothered telling Bond to protect Madeleine after Spectre had poisoned him….

    It’s simple – Bond rode off into the sunset with Madeleine beside him.

    You have numerous options available when it comes to reintroducing her:

    ✦ Madeleine is the lead and the central love interest of the film;
    ✦ Madeleine is a supporting character who is killed off at some point which provides the narrative engine of the film;
    ✦ Madeleine is a supporting character and we see her break-up with Bond or he has to turn to her for advice at some point; and
    ✦ Madeleine is dead before the film starts and appears in flashbacks or dream sequences.

    It’ll be one of the above, or a combination of two.

    Unfortunately, these options seem just as, if not even more uninspired.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 17,757
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Look at Raymond Reddington in The Blacklist. He would only speak to Agent Keane. They could possibly go down this road; where Blofeld would only speak with Madeline because of their past connections. That wouldn't be too ridiculous IMO.

    But she had no idea who he was, didn't she? It's been a while since I've watched The Blacklist.

    James Spader could be a good casting as a villain, I think. He's more or less playing one in that show.
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    I love that we have no idea. Seriously.

    I love that there are so many possibilities for how they could bring Swann's character back in, and that we'll undoubtedly be surprised by how they do.

    The chances of it being a straightforward Tracy-type situation, which is really remaking QOS or The Bourne Supremacy more than it would be remaking YOLT, just seem so slim to me. I feel like there's simply no way, with a director like Fukunaga on board and a film with this much creative trouble in its production ramp-up, that they're going for something so straightforward.

    I love not knowing. I love that we have a chance to speculate. And that all of these ideas -- however crazy -- are on the table.

    I wish it could be as simple as people feeling "Oh, that's unexpected" and waiting with curious anticipation for how it might work. I find myself genuinely surprised how quickly we've seemingly jumped to "Well, this is going to suck!" based on one piece of casting news.

    The last time that happened, I'm fairly certain that actor did turn out to be a rather excellent James Bond.

  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    I love that we have no idea. Seriously.

    I love that there are so many possibilities for how they could bring Swann's character back in, and that we'll undoubtedly be surprised by how they do.

    The chances of it being a straightforward Tracy-type situation, which is really remaking QOS or The Bourne Supremacy more than it would be remaking YOLT, just seem so slim to me. I feel like there's simply no way, with a director like Fukunaga on board and a film with this much creative trouble in its production ramp-up, that they're going for something so straightforward.

    I love not knowing. I love that we have a chance to speculate. And that all of these ideas -- however crazy -- are on the table.

    I wish it could be as simple as people feeling "Oh, that's unexpected" and waiting with curious anticipation for how it might work. I find myself genuinely surprised how quickly we've seemingly jumped to "Well, this is going to suck!" based on one piece of casting news.

    The last time that happened, I'm fairly certain that actor did turn out to be a rather excellent James Bond.

    And the film he starred in wasn’t all that bad either! Thanks for posting! And full agreement with you.
  • Posts: 12,526
    Does anyone else think we might get a little more official info before Christmas?
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Look at Raymond Reddington in The Blacklist. He would only speak to Agent Keane. They could possibly go down this road; where Blofeld would only speak with Madeline because of their past connections. That wouldn't be too ridiculous IMO.

    But she had no idea who he was, didn't she? It's been a while since I've watched The Blacklist.

    James Spader could be a good casting as a villain, I think. He's more or less playing one in that show.

    I feel like Spader being a Bond villain wouldn't work. Maybe it's just too on the nose.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Does anyone else think we might get a little more official info before Christmas?

    I hope so! I want to know if Christoph Waltz and Jeffery Wright are back, as they are two of my favorite actors.
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    MooreFun wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Look at Raymond Reddington in The Blacklist. He would only speak to Agent Keane. They could possibly go down this road; where Blofeld would only speak with Madeline because of their past connections. That wouldn't be too ridiculous IMO.

    But she had no idea who he was, didn't she? It's been a while since I've watched The Blacklist.

    James Spader could be a good casting as a villain, I think. He's more or less playing one in that show.

    I feel like Spader being a Bond villain wouldn't work. Maybe it's just too on the nose.

    Maybe. He might have been a better candidate if he didn't play in The Blacklist.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Does anyone else think we might get a little more official info before Christmas?

    I think we may hear crickets until after the holidays.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Does anyone else think we might get a little more official info before Christmas?

    I hope so! I want to know if Christoph Waltz and Jeffery Wright are back, as they are two of my favorite actors.

    After my initial shock at Swann returning, I would bet Waltz will not be seen within several thousands of miles from this film set.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    edited December 2018 Posts: 1,755
    peter wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Does anyone else think we might get a little more official info before Christmas?

    I hope so! I want to know if Christoph Waltz and Jeffery Wright are back, as they are two of my favorite actors.

    After my initial shock at Swann returning, I would bet Waltz will not be seen within several thousands of miles from this film set.

    I have to agree, Peter. However, I’d be rather shocked if they don’t bring Waltz back considering how they finally have the rights to the character of Blofeld back in their possession.
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