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  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited December 2018 Posts: 6,304
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    Here’s how a return for Madeleine Swann could work and clean up SP in the process:

    M speaking to Bond: “You remember your old friend Franz Oberhauser who claimed to be the international terrorist mastermind Erst Stavro Blofeld? The man who eluded even being photographed by us for years suddenly coming out in the open seemed strange to me. Well considering he’s still stuck behind bars and we have a solid lead that Blofeld’s latest plan is well underway, I’m rather convinced he was lying about his identity. The real question is, why? Did the real Blofeld put him up to it, or did Oberhauser just decide one day to assume his name? I’m sending you to [insert location] to investigate [insert plot device] that we believe has connections to Blofeld and Spectre. And Bond, while I do wish that happier circumstances had led to your return, I’m glad to have you back.”

    Cut to Bond’s flat. We see Swann finishing up packing and moving out. There’s some curt exchange between them, with obvious hurt feelings underlying. Perhaps they were engaged. She leaves after saying some poignant final word to which Bond perhaps responds with an equally poignant quip. End of Swann.

    Or we can just skip all of that.

    Much like the PTS of DAF? It's not a bad idea at that.

    Swann in B25 *could* be more like Sylvia Trench in FRWL: "You're always running off to some mission, James" with the added barb of "I can't take it. I'm out."

    There are too many dangling threads from SP (the Bond girl and the main villain!) for B25 to ignore them all. They ended SP way too ambiguously for a continuing series.
  • patbpatb
    edited December 2018 Posts: 4,617
    I'm grasping at straws here but could it be that Swann herself is the new double O recruit/trainee? Sounds silly but who knows?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I just hope they don't push Madeleine in the same position as Mary, the character from the later seasons of the Sherlock BBC series.
  • patbpatb
    Posts: 4,617
    I really hope that they have some amazing idea what to do with the character as the collective brains of this forum have come up with nothing that really works IMHO
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I just hope they don't push Madeleine in the same position as Mary, the character from the later seasons of the Sherlock BBC series.

    That's possible I guess. If they add that kind of twist (like Frost in DAD) it's important they don't telegraph it.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
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    The forum trying to figure out the Madeleine Swann angle of Bond 25.
  • barryt007barryt007
    edited December 2018 Posts: 19,339
    She is the new M .

    M = Madeleine.

    ;)
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Occam’s Razor.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,757
    barryt007 wrote: »
    She is the new M .

    M = Madeleine.

    ;)

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  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    Posts: 871
    patb wrote: »
    I really hope that they have some amazing idea what to do with the character as the collective brains of this forum have come up with nothing that really works IMHO

    +1

    TripAces wrote: »
    Resurrection wrote: »
    Damn, there are lot of plot holes which needs to be filled if they are going to continue with SP.

    If done right, it could work. For a long time, I have floated the idea that MI6 had young Bond in its sights and purposely recruited and trained him due to his relationship with Oberhauser. M might have alluded to this in SF, when she says, "Orphans always did make the best agents." In SP, Bond says, when Madeleine asks why does his job, "I never really had a choice." Hmmm.

    This would make the Blofeld-Bond connection far less coincidental and a lot easier to swallow.

    Sorry, but no.

    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
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    The forum trying to figure out the Madeleine Swann angle of Bond 25.

    : ))
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    RC7 wrote: »
    Occam’s Razor.
    I honestly don't think that's the case this time around.
  • CraterGunsCraterGuns
    Posts: 618
    I would have no problem with Waltz coming back as Blofeld in B25. To me, he's the 2nd best "onscreen" (face shown) incarnation of the character after Savalas.

    Pleasance's Blofeld is merely a twitchy, malevelent gnome -- in a film with perhaps the stupidest plot in the series (in the running with MR and DAD, for sure).

    Gray's Blofeld is funny, yes -- but much too fey. (And I don't expect Blofeld to be a comedian.)

    After Silva, SPECTRE did not need another over-the-top, mustachio-twirling villain. I appreciated Waltz's relative restraint.

    While I wasn't thrilled with it, "Brothergate" has been blown ridiculously out of proportion by some here (in my opinion)... I suppose that's because "Temporary Foster-brothergate" -- what it really is -- doesn't sound as snarkily pithy.

    Waltz could return, and the fact that Oberhauser's dad was young Bond's temporary legal guardian for a year need never be mentioned.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited December 2018 Posts: 10,591
    @CraterGuns I agree with you regarding Temporary Foster-brothergate (what we should be calling it). A pretty ridiculous idea, but not as franchise-tainting as some people have made it out to be.

    That said, I would much prefer a new villain for B25.
  • Ottofuse8Ottofuse8
    edited December 2018 Posts: 832
    ... I admit that my view of the film has dropped significantly after repeated viewing. Also sorry about any unnecessary negativity yesterday, rough day at work.
  • mybudgetbondmybudgetbond The World
    Posts: 189
    CraterGuns wrote: »
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    While I wasn't thrilled with it, "Brothergate" has been blown ridiculously out of proportion by some here (in my opinion)... I suppose that's because "Temporary Foster-brothergate" -- what it really is -- doesn't sound as snarkily pithy.

    .

    Amen.

    It was silly, but nowhere near as bad as some have made. Same goes for the whole film really.

  • MooreFunMooreFun
    Posts: 385
    077 wrote: »
    What we know so far:

    Cary, quote, wants to finish Daniel's 007 story in an arc. Meaning, it will be continuous to all the other previous films. That's why it made total sense to bring Lea back. From the casting leaks we've received in the Boyle era as well as now the Cary era, they're looking to bring more estrogen in (yes!), thus the idea to have a younger female 00 protege. SO the FALLOUT idea is not that far off. I agree, that Bond is a loner and usually better off alone. But, honestly, this franchise needs more estrogen to have continuous commercial success in the future. Playing the endless guy seduces helpless dumb girl story just doesn't work anymore (#metoo). An honest love story for each episode would get boring and cheap. So adding another strong female team member is not a bad idea imo. Just think about it, Bond already received help from Moneypenny here and there (Istanbul ?, Macau) and it worked well. It still was all about Bond at the end of the day. Just how it was with Ethan in Fallout. But adding another dimension of people to identify with as well as personal struggle just keep things edgy and interesting. Everyone LOVES Casino Royale (my personal favorite), why? Because it's sexy, action-packed, engaging, relatable, human, just a very good story that happens to be super entertaining.

    So my guess:

    1) Madeleine will be abducted by a male villain and will need to be saved. Bond will receive help from a female young 00 protege, who might be reminding him of Vesper (Fallout esque) relive a Vesper scenario where he has to choose between love and rationale, choose love. He'll die.

    OR

    2) Madeleine will turn villain, work with another grand male villain. Bond will realize he never truly really loved her all along (please!). He will be teamed up with his younger 00 proteges to bring her down. He will have to choose in a life or death situation between saving the younger protege (who will remind him of himself and/or of Vesper) and will die to save her.

    My two cents. Spend it well ;)

    Is this a troll?
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,540
    Bond 25 has been re-listed on Production Weekly.
  • 001001
    edited December 2018 Posts: 1,575
    jake24 wrote: »
    @CraterGuns I agree with you regarding Temporary Foster-brothergate (what we should be calling it). A pretty ridiculous idea, but not as franchise-tainting as some people have made it out to be.

    That said, I would much prefer a new villain for B25.

    Not brothergate, Family Feud more like it. :)
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Bond 25 has been re-listed on Production Weekly.

    That's good to see.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    RC7 wrote: »
    Occam’s Razor.

    Yep. She dies.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    I see Shatterhand is still the working title...
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,757
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Bond 25 has been re-listed on Production Weekly.

    Silly question, but what does that mean?
  • antovolkantovolk
    edited December 2018 Posts: 3,164
    TripAces wrote: »
    Resurrection wrote: »
    Damn, there are lot of plot holes which needs to be filled if they are going to continue with SP.

    If done right, it could work. For a long time, I have floated the idea that MI6 had young Bond in its sights and purposely recruited and trained him due to his relationship with Oberhauser. M might have alluded to this in SF, when she says, "Orphans always did make the best agents." In SP, Bond says, when Madeleine asks why does his job, "I never really had a choice." Hmmm.

    This would make the Blofeld-Bond connection far less coincidental and a lot easier to swallow.

    Yup. I've posted about this here before too, they could use the scrapped "Foreign Legion platoon gone rogue" backstory for Blofeld and White. MI6 keeping tabs on multiple potential terrorist organisations like that and recruiting possible connections over to their side before it's too late does not seem out of the blue. The whole sequence as told by White in one of the leaked SP drafts could actually work as (part of) a PTS. Get some of that ever-popular de aging CG magic to get young Waltz, Christensen and maybe even Dench too for one last hurrah from her M.

    Anyway... personally, as someone who loved what Spectre attempted with bringing the Craig films into one closed off saga, based on what has been officially revealed and what I've been hearing here and there, this iteration of B25 with Cary at the helm is genuinely sounding more exciting than Boyle's.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
    Posts: 575
    jake24 wrote: »
    I see Shatterhand is still the working title...

    I noticed that as well. Maybe Craig likes the S titles.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    What if they are somehow merging elements of both You Only Live Twice and The Man With The Golden Gun into Craig's final film?

    Could it be that following the PTS, something happens that effects Bond's memory (an assassination attempt perhaps?) and the parting of ways with Swann comes from him simply not having recollection of her from before the accident? Or he simply decides to find out who attempted to kill them and leaves her behind? Not too complicated and not resulting in her death, either. Something like that seems right up Fukanaga's alley.

    From there, the plot could go anywhere of course but I wonder if that's the route they may go to kick it off. It'd be another "Becoming Bond" arc - except this time it's a "Re-becoming Bond" story after a four year absence.
  • 001001
    Posts: 1,575
    jake24 wrote: »
    I see Shatterhand is still the working title...

    Shatterhand is a side-scrolling action game for the Nintendo Entertainment System developed by Natsume and published by Jaleco in North America in 1991 and in Europe in 1992
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    jake24 wrote: »
    I see Shatterhand is still the working title...

    I think EON and Craig reads the forum. :))
  • Risico007Risico007
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    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    ... I admit that my view of the film has dropped significantly after repeated viewing. Also sorry about any unnecessary negativity yesterday, rough day at work.

    You have seen bond 25 already wow what it’s titkd what it about how is the future?
  • 001001
    edited December 2018 Posts: 1,575
    001 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I see Shatterhand is still the working title...

    Shatterhand is a side-scrolling action game for the Nintendo Entertainment System developed by Natsume and published by Jaleco in North America in 1991 and in Europe in 1992

    From google, i forgot to mention............
    Sounds very average anyway like qos
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    I'm really fond of the title itself, but again, it'd be another case of knowing exactly where the plot would go before seeing the film.
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