No Time To Die: Production Diary

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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I hope a more original story for the main part. I don't want a YOLT redo.

    I'm not sure how I feel about it, really. I was never sold on the concept that SPECTRE was the OHMSS of the modern era. To me, it doesn't even remotely compare. Madeleine is certainly no Tracy, IMO. I suppose that doesn't mater regardless since she's returning anyway.

    At one point, the script had a henchwoman named Irma Bunt and it ended with Bond saying "we have all the time in the world." So it was on the mind of the writers, even if neither appeared in the final film.

    I think those would be far to obvious references that it might have taken fans out of the film. Too much of a wink wink nod.
    In terms of capturing some of the essence and tone of OHMSS, but not thrown in ones face, I'd say only FYEO was successful in that regard (in spite of lacking a Barry score).
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    It would be a miracle if Waltz was invited back.

    Well, Waltz after the release of SP said that he would like to come back only in a Craig Bond scenario. Then, in October 2017 said that he won't be back even if he would like to: "No, I'm sorry. I'm really sad, but that's the tradition, that there is a new… name,” he told the publication while attending a red carpet event. “Sorry. I would've liked to.”

    Also, Fukunaga in a recent interview didn't rule I'm out. If EoN wants him back, he will definitely return. His last four movies after SP were all box-office and critical failures, so he would certainly like the idea to star in a movie like "Craig's last Bond". We'll see.
    I feel that Waltz had issues with Mendes during the production of SP, and so did Craig based on some rumours. I also don't see any problems having both a "Rami Malek" villain and Blofeld. In SP there where three...

    ToTheRight wrote: »
    How disappointed would we be if the film turned out to be titled SHATTERHAND, yet the story had nothing whatsoever to do with Fleming's YOLT?

    I would be disappointed. I don't pretend a proper adaptation, but at least bringing some elements into the film.

    BTW if i recall correctly the first rumor about the title being Shatterhand came from the Mirror in July 2017, even before Craig was confirmed in the role.

    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-25-title-villain-blind/

    In the article they mentioned that the movie would take inspiration from both OHMSS (Madeleine's death?), YOLT and Never Dream of Dying. They also reported that Waltz and Batista could be back, plus Croatia, French Riviera and Egypt (Malek's parents are egyptian, just saying) as filming locations. Then, Production Weekly reported Bond 25 placeholder being Shatterhand, so it's being confirmed official.

    Perhaps the Mirror scoop had some truth in it?

    Given all the iterations and people who worked on the script - P&W, Hodge, Boyle, Haggis, Fukunaga - I don't think the title is going to be Shatterhand, but IF it actually happens I'd be fine with it. Sounds bondian, is Fleming material, and would be the first title to use the name of a villain since 55 years (since Octopussy is not a villain).

    Technically since Quantum is the enemy of Quantum of Solace and Spectre is the enemy of Spectre well yeah

    Edit: "... and would be the first title to use the name of a villain since 55 years (since Octopussy is not a villain and Quantum and Spectre are organisations codenames).

    46 years. Just saying. ;)
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    55 days until filming begins.
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    When is the press conference again?
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    When is the press conference again?

    Unsure but I am hoping I enjoy the film as much as I Enjoyed Casino Royale which came out in 2006

    I say we get to page 2020 before we know the title
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
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    When is the press conference again?

    The press conference information is usually announced a week or so prior.
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    When is the press conference again?

    Unsure but I am hoping I enjoy the film as much as I Enjoyed Casino Royale which came out in 2006

    I say we get to page 2020 before we know the title

    I hope so too! :-D
    (guess it wasn't a coincidence you mentioned CR on this particular page)
    When is the press conference again?

    The press conference information is usually announced a week or so prior.

    Alright, thanks! :-)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    The final week of February, then?
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    The final week of February, then?

    I would guess this, or possibly a little earlier. Certainly exciting to know we should have big news soon!
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited January 2019 Posts: 4,343
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Of course, I feel the same way about Madeleine. Hopefully they at least use her well.

    Hopefully. BTW, if the movie will carry on "Bond's arc", as Fukunaga said, the return of Madeleine seems absolutely necessary to me. In the end SP was about Bond "choosing life" - "It's called life James, you should try it sometimes"; "Is this really what you want? Living in the shadows? Hunting, being hunted? Always alone?"; "We always have a choice" etc etc - so bringing back the woman who "forced" him to quit the job (the final scene on the bridge is pretty clear) makes perfect sense from a character's arc standpoint.
    echo wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    It would be a miracle if Waltz was invited back.

    Well, Waltz after the release of SP said that he would like to come back only in a Craig Bond scenario. Then, in October 2017 said that he won't be back even if he would like to: "No, I'm sorry. I'm really sad, but that's the tradition, that there is a new… name,” he told the publication while attending a red carpet event. “Sorry. I would've liked to.”

    Also, Fukunaga in a recent interview didn't rule I'm out. If EoN wants him back, he will definitely return. His last four movies after SP were all box-office and critical failures, so he would certainly like the idea to star in a movie like "Craig's last Bond". We'll see.
    I feel that Waltz had issues with Mendes during the production of SP, and so did Craig based on some rumours. I also don't see any problems having both a "Rami Malek" villain and Blofeld. In SP there where three...

    ToTheRight wrote: »
    How disappointed would we be if the film turned out to be titled SHATTERHAND, yet the story had nothing whatsoever to do with Fleming's YOLT?

    I would be disappointed. I don't pretend a proper adaptation, but at least bringing some elements into the film.

    BTW if i recall correctly the first rumor about the title being Shatterhand came from the Mirror in July 2017, even before Craig was confirmed in the role.

    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-25-title-villain-blind/

    In the article they mentioned that the movie would take inspiration from both OHMSS (Madeleine's death?), YOLT and Never Dream of Dying. They also reported that Waltz and Batista could be back, plus Croatia, French Riviera and Egypt (Malek's parents are egyptian, just saying) as filming locations. Then, Production Weekly reported Bond 25 placeholder being Shatterhand, so it's being confirmed official.

    Perhaps the Mirror scoop had some truth in it?

    Given all the iterations and people who worked on the script - P&W, Hodge, Boyle, Haggis, Fukunaga - I don't think the title is going to be Shatterhand, but IF it actually happens I'd be fine with it. Sounds bondian, is Fleming material, and would be the first title to use the name of a villain since 55 years (since Octopussy is not a villain).

    Technically since Quantum is the enemy of Quantum of Solace and Spectre is the enemy of Spectre well yeah

    Edit: "... and would be the first title to use the name of a villain since 55 years (since Octopussy is not a villain and Quantum and Spectre are organisations codenames).

    46 years. Just saying. ;)

    Seems fair since Shatterhand is also an "alias". ;)
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    In an alternative universe, Danny Boyle's BOND 25 has been filming for over a month!
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    In an alternative universe, Danny Boyle's BOND 25 has been filming for over a month!
    Have you been there for too long? What gives? Is Trump president there? Two suns? Two moons?

    PS: just kidding. The 55 days count is way more interesting, thanks for that one.
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    AgentM72 wrote: »
    The thing is, it could have been done and could still be done. EA was planning a follow-up to EoN with Brosnan as Bond under the working title ‘Bond6’, only to scrap it when the actor’s stepping down from the role was announced. Concepts for the first level planned for the game was used for both From Russia With Love and Blood Stone.
    Interesting! I don't remember that development. Is there a link to an article or something showing screens from those concepts when they were intended for Broz?
    https://www.facebook.com/007TheVideoGames/videos/847028518790408/

    https://www.facebook.com/007TheVideoGames/videos/506628086163788/

    How have I never seen these?! Amazing - thank you.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    The thing is, it could have been done and could still be done. EA was planning a follow-up to EoN with Brosnan as Bond under the working title ‘Bond6’, only to scrap it when the actor’s stepping down from the role was announced. Concepts for the first level planned for the game was used for both From Russia With Love and Blood Stone.
    Interesting! I don't remember that development. Is there a link to an article or something showing screens from those concepts when they were intended for Broz?
    https://www.facebook.com/007TheVideoGames/videos/847028518790408/

    https://www.facebook.com/007TheVideoGames/videos/506628086163788/

    How have I never seen these?! Amazing - thank you.
    My pleasure! :)
  • edited January 2019 Posts: 4,619
    Just watched some of the clips of Craig from the Golden Globes. He looks great and looks already 100% ready to start filming! EDIT: never mind, those were clips from the 2013 Globes! :)) Still, he does look pretty good now.
  • Posts: 6,709
    Just watched some of the clips of Craig from the Golden Globes. He looks great and looks already 100% ready to start filming! EDIT: never mind, those were clips from the 2013 Globes! :)) Still, he does look pretty good now.
    eheh, did the same thing. He did look rather good in 2013, didn't he?
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Where are these clips?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    This thread is about to hit, well, you know...
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    The 00-prefix plus two in front of it. ;)
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Anticipating some kind of news within the next week or so. I’m surprised we haven’t heard anything substantial yet.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    We should get stuff coming the next months
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    My thinking based on spectre's press conference is it was the Friday before filming my guess is the press conference is March 1st
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Well, so far, casting rumors include Rami Malek, Tuppence Middleton, Mark Strong (even though that was debunked), the confirmed return of the MI6 regulars/Scooby Gang plus Lea Seydoux...
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Hopefully Baz will have something Thursday!
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Would love some confirmed filming locations.
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    I did like Hinx. But, I thought he had far more potential than just to portray a generic giant muscleman overpowering Bond. He had a great investigative and intellectual side to him, too, which made him more of an operative and less of a henchman. Such a waste of great concept and talent.

    Look at Blade Runner. They used Bautista perfectly.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I did like Hinx. But, I thought he had far more potential than just to portray a generic giant muscleman overpowering Bond. He had a great investigative and intellectual side to him, too, which made him more of an operative and less of a henchman. Such a waste of great concept and talent.
    Look at Blade Runner. They used Bautista perfectly.
    Exactly what I was thinking when I wrote that comment.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    I did like Hinx. But, I thought he had far more potential than just to portray a generic giant muscleman overpowering Bond. He had a great investigative and intellectual side to him, too, which made him more of an operative and less of a henchman. Such a waste of great concept and talent.

    Look at Blade Runner. They used Bautista perfectly.

    How true. If Denis was directing this movie, Hinx may have truly come back.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    Would it be corny to throw in a line from GF.
    I’m thinking of the conversation Bond and Goldfinger have at Auric Stud regarding how long the gold at Fort Knox would be radioactive.
    “57years.”
    “58 to be exact.”

    Obviously not referring directly to radioactivity or GF. But something relevant to the film or easily included.

    As the Bond series will be 58 years old in 2020.
    Would it be a nice little nod missed by all but Bond fans.
    Or cheesy and lame.
    Just a thought.
  • edited January 2019 Posts: 11,425
    A longer movie run-time will help make up for the fact that we've had to wait a few more years in between and it will help with the quality of the film for character development, in this generation of binge-watching tv viewers.

    I disagree. I don't think longer means deeper and more character development. SPECTRE was 2 and a half hours, and there was little to no character development to speak of. If you ask me Bond 25 needs to be a tighter package which cuts out some of the bloat. Hopefully the movie won't be any longer than 130 minutes.

    Amen to that. One of the biggest flaws with SF and SP (and dare I say it CR) is their bloated length.

    I've been going through a period of finding films underwhelming and unsatisfying. I had connected it to the fact that the quality of long form TV drama is now so good that many films (no matter how long) seem rushed in terms of dramatic development and storytelling.

    Then I watched Creed for the first time and was reminded that actually film is not about long drawn out character arcs (although that's an important part of the movie's appeal) and bloated thematic singposting, but the deft handling of the narrative within what is really a highly compressed timeframe. Creed crams in a lot in a short space of time (not always successfully) but the romance element for example, although not dwelled on excessively convinces because it's sparsely but well scripted and excellently acted and directed.

    The best Bond films have always been pacy and largely devoid of padding and bloated or unnecessary dialogue and drama. I guess a bit like Fleming's books. Time to get back to this. Focus on a gripping and tightly told story, ideally with Bond at its centre. Cut anything that is not essential to telling that story. Sparse but well crafted dialogue. Use action to propel the narrative rather than to pad out the screen time.
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