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  • patbpatb
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    Arguing against myself, the bridge scene is highly symbolic and you dont write this stuff for no reason: "out of bullets" looks over to MS " and besides, I've got something better to do". As he walks away, he looks at the PPK and then thows it away. That gun has been Bond's partner since almost day one and has become an icon in itself. It's hard to think of anything more definitive in terms of a symbol that Bond has retired. Why else would he do this? And why write that into the scene? It had nothing to do with the main plot. He could have just popped it back into the holster.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2019 Posts: 23,883
    patb wrote: »
    Arguing against myself, the bridge scene is highly symbolic and you dont write this stuff for no reason: "out of bullets" looks over to MS " and besides, I've got something better to do". As he walks away, he looks at the PPK and then thows it away. That gun has been Bond's partner since almost day one and has become an icon in itself. It's hard to think of anything more definitive in terms of a symbol that Bond has retired. Why else would he do this? And why write that into the scene? It had nothing to do with the main plot. He could have just popped it back into the holster.
    I agree that the symbolism is very strong. Every time I view it, I see it as closure to the Craig Bond arc which began in CR. He tried to escape with Vesper and couldn't, and this is his opportunity to do it again. It's very 'on the nose'. It saw it as an end to Craig Bond. They could have introduced a new man in B25 without having to explain any of that imho. Those who take things literally could then have interpreted that it was in fact a holiday and they were wrong (how can Bond be back otherwise?) whereas those who don't take things too literally could have just assumed that was the end of the Craig era Bond and the new man is in the seat now. It isn't explicit per se, but could be read that way for those who choose to look at it like that.
    Roadphill wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure I read Fukunaga state recently that he doesn't like to repeat himself (it may have been in relation to a discussion about True Detective, not sure). I don't foresee him doing another one after B25.

    I don’t know... If B25 is a big success then I would expect EON to want him back. He would then have the incentive of being able to create a movie from the ground up. He would also get big money which for someone who’s not use to that kind of pay would be another incentive. I think it’s more about how much B25 takes out of him physically/mentally that he wouldn’t come back. This all assumes B25 is great and is a success of course.
    Anything is possible of course, and the opportunity to start from scratch could provide sufficient creative inducement certainly. I'd imagine Fukunaga may be even more interested in reimagining with a new Bond actor as well, if that possibility were to be offered to him for B26.

    On the flipside, there is the risk of having shot one's load the first time out of the gate, and the Mendes experience is still fresh. It's not so much about the reality, but more the critical perception. It's difficult to get two winners in a row.

    Very true. I would say the only director to make two bonafide great Bond films in a row was Terence Young, and he had Fleming stuff to heavily draw on. Some may argue Gilbert had two huge box office hits one after the other with TSWLM and MR, but let's be honest, Spy was an all time classic, MR a tired re-tread.
    I agree on Young. He's the only one who made two in a row where the follow up had as much or more critical acclaim in comparison to its predecessor.

    EDIT: Actually I was wrong. Hamilton pulled off the same trick with DAF & LALD (the latter made more money and also was critically just as well received) and so did Glen from AVTAK to TLD - however both also introduced a new Bond actor in the process and therefore probably benefited from the 'halo' effect & excitement which accompanies such introduction.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Barbara Broccoli And ‘Wonder Woman’ Casting Director Lucinda Syson To Receive CSA’s First UK Artios Awards
    https://deadline.com/2019/01/james-bond-wonder-woman-barbara-broccoli-lucinda-syson-artios-bifa-csa-1202534603

    The accolades will be handed out January 31 at The London Edition hotel during BIFA’s pre-existing Most Promising Newcomer Dinner.

    She will hopefully get asked some Bond 25 questions
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    Posts: 4,619
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Barbara Broccoli And ‘Wonder Woman’ Casting Director Lucinda Syson To Receive CSA’s First UK Artios Awards
    https://deadline.com/2019/01/james-bond-wonder-woman-barbara-broccoli-lucinda-syson-artios-bifa-csa-1202534603

    The accolades will be handed out January 31 at The London Edition hotel during BIFA’s pre-existing Most Promising Newcomer Dinner.

    She will hopefully get asked some Bond 25 questions
    "Hi Barbara, why did you fire the great Danny Boyle?" :))
  • TR007TR007
    Posts: 1,165
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    Can people just stop saying definitively this is Craig's last Bond film? When was that ever guaranteed/stated/written/whatever? Just because his current contract has this single film on it does not mean it will be his last. Most likely it will be but can we pump the brakes on the rhetoric for just a bit and wait and see?

    I agree with this. I have a sneaking suspicion that he could be persuaded back for a 6th entry.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited January 2019 Posts: 4,619
    Where is @Mendes4Lyfe when people need to be convinced that NO, there won't be a 6th Bond film starring Daniel Craig?
  • Ottofuse8Ottofuse8
    Posts: 832
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Where is @Mendes4Lyfe when people need to be convinced that NO, there won't be a 6th Bond film starring Daniel Craig?

    I’d like to see this if only for the responses from craig detractors.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    Posts: 4,619
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Where is @Mendes4Lyfe when people need to be convinced that NO, there won't be a 6th Bond film starring Daniel Craig?

    I’d like to see this if only for the responses from craig detractors.
    I'm not a Craig detractor. I have been a fan of Craig as 007 since day 1. Having said that, it's time to move on after Bond 25.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    Posts: 871
    I agree with the viewpoint that ending of SP is Bond choosing life over MI6. I believe that was Mendes' idea.

    However, art can be interpreted in different ways, and consumer's interpretation doesn't need to match the idea of an artist. So, neither of these perspectives is wrong.
  • Risico007Risico007
    edited January 2019 Posts: 9,858
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Bond 25 HAS TO BE Craig’s final Bond film. The whole point of making one more film with Craig more than 4 years after the disappointing Spectre is to show end of Bond’s story, just like CR showed the beginning of it. They simply can’t leave the door open for a 6th Bond film with Craig.

    They can and they will in Shatterhand

    Also we are now on the same number as when Bond 25 will be released
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,710
    Risico007 wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Bond 25 HAS TO BE Craig’s final Bond film. The whole point of making one more film with Craig more than 4 years after the disappointing Spectre is to show end of Bond’s story, just like CR showed the beginning of it. They simply can’t leave the door open for a 6th Bond film with Craig.

    They can and they will in Shatterhand

    Also we are now on the same number as when Bond 25 will be released

    Damn, you're good ;)
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    Posts: 4,619
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Also we are now on the same number as when Bond 25 will be released
    ...and very soon we will be on the same number as when the great Christopher Nolan's Bond 26 will be released.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Happy to see Barbara getting an award.

    Also I am musing on what social media would have done with Sean's leaving, not leaving, the series ... it would have been so wild and crazy. Because you know, Connery WAS Bond and only him ... and OMG he is not over the hill; he leaves and this series DIES ... then Laz came and split the Bond world .. and then Sean returned in DAF ... and OMG he is over the hill ... no he's NOT! ... etc. etc. Just amusing to ponder. Putting the current Craig (last film or what?!!!!) chat into a time machine for Connery.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 755
    It will be interesting to see if Craig can actually let it go. Daltons the only one to bow out (rather than fight the studio with Cubby’s support). Otherwise all the actors have had a hard time letting go, Connery returning and Moore playing him way too old... Brosnan I’m sure would still be playing if he could. We know Barbara will be fighting to keep her Daniel one more time... that’s why I’m doubtful of B25 being overtly a final movie story wise.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited January 2019 Posts: 6,382
    matt_u wrote: »
    Oh come on @bondjames . :D

    The point is the whole movie is about Bond "choosing life" over the assassin work. Everything in the movie led to this choice and I just think there's nothing open to interpretation in the finale. He quits for her. To be honest it felt a little bit like The Dark Knight Rises finale, where Bruce left with Selina. But since we're taking about 007, it doesn't mean this choice will last forever. That's why I felt there was the need for a sequel after SP, and the fact Madeleine is back is just perfect to me.
    patb wrote: »
    They leave it open at the end IMHO:

    Q "I thought you'd gone?"

    Away for the weekend? Long sabatical? Retired?

    Bond decided to "try life", as Moneypenny told him during the Rome chase. But the symbolism of the bridge scene is just too strong to assume he left for a week-end.

    Since Madeleine is back in almost 12 months we will probably have a definitive answer to that.

    Yes, throwing away his gun is pretty definitive! Not to mention out of character.

    The good news is that SP was so open-ended that anything could happen now. But Occam's razor says that the reason he is back is that Madeleine dies.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    Pretty sure waltz will be back in some form. Keep in mind he was merely detained at the end of Spectre, not sentenced to prison let alone charged with a crime
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited January 2019 Posts: 7,593
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Pretty sure waltz will be back in some form. Keep in mind he was merely detained at the end of Spectre, not sentenced to prison let alone charged with a crime

    Would have loved a scene at the end where he's being escorted to some kind of maximum security facility, and they zoom in on one of the guards and he's wearing a Spectre ring.
  • GetCarterGetCarter
    edited January 2019 Posts: 386
    Sure, Bond throws away his gun at the end of SP, but I just took that as ‘job done, let’s go shag.”

    Didn’t even see the promise of an enduring relationship.
  • GetCarterGetCarter
    edited January 2019 Posts: 386
    On the subject of a sixth Craig film, I dig him so I wouldn’t be against it.

    Watching the later Moore films recently, you just need rapid editing and carefully choreographed fight scenes.

    Bond takes two steps up the Eiffel Tower. Cut to: May Day spreading her “wings”. Cut to: Bond takes another step up the Eiffel Tower ...
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    I predict for B25 we will see a few fight scenes that Craig does himself & some light running. I dont think he will do something like the Skyfall train fight let alone the CR construction parkour chase
  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
    Posts: 727
    With tech that can put Craig's face over a stuntman's body, there is no need. I agree.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,589
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Pretty sure waltz will be back in some form. Keep in mind he was merely detained at the end of Spectre, not sentenced to prison let alone charged with a crime

    Would have loved a scene at the end where he's being escorted to some kind of maximum security facility, and they zoom in on one of the guards and he's wearing a Spectre ring.

    Bond repeatedly visits Blofeld in prison, to enlist his help in catching a whole new villain. /s
  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
    Posts: 727
    The last time they see each other their fingers touch briefly, their eyes meet, locked in the knowledge that something deep just happened.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    The ONLY reason Craig is doing BOND 25 is because people didn’t really like Spectre and he would like to end his tenure on a high. If he knocks out another CR/SF, he will definitely not do B26. If it’s another QOS/SP, then he will likely be fatigued by failure and still not make B26. Either way I don’t see him in the role
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    edited January 2019 Posts: 12,521
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    The ONLY reason Craig is doing BOND 25 is because people didn’t really like Spectre and he would like to end his tenure on a high. If he knocks out another CR/SF, he will definitely not do B26. If it’s another QOS/SP, then he will likely be fatigued by failure and still not make B26. Either way I don’t see him in the role

    I feel this way too. Also the long gaps don’t help at all. There’s been some twists and turns along the way, but I feel pretty sure B25 will be Craig’s last. The one way I could see it happening (Craig returning again) is if there was a surprise two-parter with B26 immediately following B25, but I doubt it.
  • GetCarterGetCarter
    edited January 2019 Posts: 386
    Yeah tend to agree.

    I have absolutely nothing to base this on, but I suspect Craig is a proud dude. Public and critical indifference aside, I don’t believe he was happy on the SP set or with the obvious train wreck that is the third act.

    Put it this way - he ain’t Michael “sorry oscars, I’m in the Bahamas shooting jaws IV” Caine. He will do everything in his power to ensure that his films are good, above and beyond his own performance.

    This, I suspect, is why BB adores him. He has become a sounding board at a time when she possibly needed another voice.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,694
    FoxRox wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    The ONLY reason Craig is doing BOND 25 is because people didn’t really like Spectre and he would like to end his tenure on a high. If he knocks out another CR/SF, he will definitely not do B26. If it’s another QOS/SP, then he will likely be fatigued by failure and still not make B26. Either way I don’t see him in the role

    I feel this way too. Also the long gaps don’t help at all. There’s been some twists and turns along the way, but I feel pretty sure B25 will be Craig’s last. The one way I could see it happening (Craig returning again) is if there was a surprise two-parter with B26 immediately following B25, but I doubt it.

    If Bond is truly following Mission Impossible, don't be surprised now....

    https://deadline.com/2019/01/new-mission-impossible-christopher-mcquarrie-tom-cruise-next-two-movies-1202535184/
  • MooreFunMooreFun
    Posts: 385
    I don't see Eon being able to pivot 25 into a back-to-back for 26, not this late. Nor do I see them turning around quickly enough to get a film out in 2022.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    The time for back to back Bond movies has passed but they should have done that with SP. It should have been OHMSS followed by YOLT.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited January 2019 Posts: 6,382
    MooreFun wrote: »
    I don't see Eon being able to pivot 25 into a back-to-back for 26, not this late. Nor do I see them turning around quickly enough to get a film out in 2022.

    Unless they have a clear idea who will follow Craig--and they don't appear to--I can't imagine B26 happening before 2023.

    If B26 is a new Bond, Eon will try to follow with B27 within two years (2025) to cement the new actor with the public.

    I really wish they would plan two or three movies into the future. They still have novels to adapt faithfully. There's no reason why they couldn't be working both on a YOLT adaptation for B25 and MR for B26, right now.

    Added bonus: they would have different writers on different scripts, and fresh blood.

    Not sure why Eon doesn't do more development, as far as we know. They often say that it is difficult to come up with new ideas, so why not use new writers? Give them all the same edict, to start with Fleming.
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