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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Getafix wrote: »
    How so that it will be much smaller?
    In this day and age it's pretty much impossible to prevent leaks to this degree up until just 6 weeks before the filming of a movie the size of Spectre.

    I’d say Marvel is pretty good at avoiding credible rumours but I don’t pay enough attention to be sure.

    Oh no, you're correct. Some people like stirring the pot is all.
  • Posts: 1,165
    Good point about Star Wars. That’s been shooting at Pinewood and on location in Jordan and we know absolutely about it 11 months to release. It’s such a treat to know that nothing has leaked from EON this close to the press conference.
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    Wouldn't it be marvellous if we found out everything, cast, synopse, title, crew, locations, ..., live from the press conference? We've had that with titles, but with cast? That would be a nail biter.
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    Univex wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be marvellous if we found out everything, cast, synopse, title, crew, locations, ..., live from the press conference? We've had that with titles, but with cast? That would be a nail biter.

    Agree, that would be great!
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    It'd be interesting to see if all the parties are actually able to keep everything under wraps until the press conference. The last few times, the majority of the principle cast and locations were widely known beforehand.
  • Posts: 1,680
    I think they mismanaged their time on this one and I just hope the end product doesn't reflect that.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I think they mismanaged their time on this one and I just hope the end product doesn't reflect that.

    @tuck91, how do you know EoN and crew mismanaged their time? That's a sweeping statement and I'd love to learn what you know.

    But I suspect it isn't much.
  • Even though I'm still disappointed that we'll never see a Danny Boyle Bond film, I'm feeling pretty optimistic about Bond 25.

    Like a few people on here, I would have rather a fresh start after SP, but at the end of the day it didn't happen and we've all had a long time to come to terms with that by now. And it's not like another Craig film is a bad thing. He's been really good. The only issue is was another one necessary after SP seemed to wrap things up nicely.

    Well EON and Craig seem to think so, and I trust their judgement because despite the ballache of having to wait ages between films, I'm actually quite keen on the direction that they've been taking since QoS. Hated that film but then SF came out and it was great, corrected the course they were on nicely, and I thought SP was even better.

    SP was divisive. Even I think it was very flawed, and it's one of my favourites (really a case of them ticking so many of my personal boxes that I was able to overlook the bad stuff and still go along for the ride). But EON know that. Craig knows that. I honestly don't think he'd have come back to do another if he'd been happy with how SP turned out and the reception it got. So I think everyone involved will be firing on all cylinders for Bond 25. Even if they don't manage another CR/SF esque high in terms of the buzz around it, I think it'll be a good one, and probably will be a lot more well recieved than SP was.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited January 2019 Posts: 5,970
    Even though I'm still disappointed that we'll never see a Danny Boyle Bond film, I'm feeling pretty optimistic about Bond 25.

    Like a few people on here, I would have rather a fresh start after SP, but at the end of the day it didn't happen and we've all had a long time to come to terms with that by now. And it's not like another Craig film is a bad thing. He's been really good. The only issue is was another one necessary after SP seemed to wrap things up nicely.

    Well EON and Craig seem to think so, and I trust their judgement because despite the ballache of having to wait ages between films, I'm actually quite keen on the direction that they've been taking since QoS. Hated that film but then SF came out and it was great, corrected the course they were on nicely, and I thought SP was even better.

    SP was divisive. Even I think it was very flawed, and it's one of my favourites (really a case of them ticking so many of my personal boxes that I was able to overlook the bad stuff and still go along for the ride). But EON know that. Craig knows that. I honestly don't think he'd have come back to do another if he'd been happy with how SP turned out and the reception it got. So I think everyone involved will be firing on all cylinders for Bond 25. Even if they don't manage another CR/SF esque high in terms of the buzz around it, I think it'll be a good one, and probably will be a lot more well recieved than SP was.

    Unfortunately, as much I get where you're coming from, I think it's too late in Craig's era to have a fresh start. It's Craig's last film and I don't think they would've been able to get away with just completely voiding the end of the last film. Spectre set up specific points that need to be answered in one way or another. It's quite possible that Boyle wanted to do just that (ignore the end of Spectre) and that's one of the reason why it wasn't working. From what we've been hearing, I feel that Broccoli and Wilson definitely want to get back what they achieved with Skyfall. From the choice of Fukunaga and the DOP, along with the suggestion of Malek as a villain. Although, they obviously need to tie up some loose ends (i.e. Madeleine Swann and Bond leaving the service) and I think it's going to work out brilliantly.

    I couldn't agree more with statement regarding their obvious drive to make Bond 25 a great film. That's what Bond needs. You can see that when Skyfall, even though they had the movation from the 50th Anniversary, was being made and I think we're going to see it here. They just need to give it same amount of love and attention.


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    peter wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I think they mismanaged their time on this one and I just hope the end product doesn't reflect that.

    @tuck91, how do you know EoN and crew mismanaged their time? That's a sweeping statement and I'd love to learn what you know.

    But I suspect it isn't much.

    The mustached Mr Risico will get to the bottom of it
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    https://mysteryreadersinc.blogspot.com/2019/01/barry-award-nominations-2019.html?m=1

    FAAD just got a nomination for best thriller. Evidence enough for Horowitz to come back for a third book? Or to have him adapt his book for a screenplay for the next Bond actor's first outing? Considering it's a origin story, this is where EON should go next.
  • Posts: 385
    TR007 wrote: »
    Good point about Star Wars. That’s been shooting at Pinewood and on location in Jordan and we know absolutely about it 11 months to release. It’s such a treat to know that nothing has leaked from EON this close to the press conference.


    There have actually been a plethora of leaks about the new film.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    MooreFun wrote: »
    TR007 wrote: »
    Good point about Star Wars. That’s been shooting at Pinewood and on location in Jordan and we know absolutely about it 11 months to release. It’s such a treat to know that nothing has leaked from EON this close to the press conference.


    There have actually been a plethora of leaks about the new film.

    None that have been confirmed or denied.
  • Posts: 152
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://mysteryreadersinc.blogspot.com/2019/01/barry-award-nominations-2019.html?m=1

    FAAD just got a nomination for best thriller. Evidence enough for Horowitz to come back for a third book? Or to have him adapt his book for a screenplay for the next Bond actor's first outing? Considering it's a origin story, this is where EON should go next.

    I actually read somewhere that Horowitz pitched an idea to CB and MGW in the 1980s and they wernt that keen, according to Harowitz. Would love to know what it was, but thats for another thread.

    I'm very optimistic about B25 and CJF, I think it might be something very special. I'm just impatient now for confirmed news, I actually love the year when they make a Bond movie, not just the movie itself but I love the buildup that we will have over the next 12 months.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    acidie wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://mysteryreadersinc.blogspot.com/2019/01/barry-award-nominations-2019.html?m=1

    FAAD just got a nomination for best thriller. Evidence enough for Horowitz to come back for a third book? Or to have him adapt his book for a screenplay for the next Bond actor's first outing? Considering it's a origin story, this is where EON should go next.

    I actually read somewhere that Horowitz pitched an idea to CB and MGW in the 1980s and they wernt that keen, according to Harowitz. Would love to know what it was, but thats for another thread.

    I'm very optimistic about B25 and CJF, I think it might be something very special. I'm just impatient now for confirmed news, I actually love the year when they make a Bond movie, not just the movie itself but I love the buildup that we will have over the next 12 months.

    Well people do have a tendency to come back to James Bond. From either turning it down themselves, or being turned down.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,399
    Denbigh wrote: »

    I couldn't agree more with statement regarding their obvious drive to make Bond 25 a great film. That's what Bond needs. You can see that when Skyfall, even though they had the movation from the 50th Anniversary, was being made and I think we're going to see it here. They just need to give it same amount of love and attention.

    Weren't they trying to make SP a great film too?
  • Posts: 1,165
    MooreFun wrote: »
    TR007 wrote: »
    Good point about Star Wars. That’s been shooting at Pinewood and on location in Jordan and we know absolutely about it 11 months to release. It’s such a treat to know that nothing has leaked from EON this close to the press conference.


    There have actually been a plethora of leaks about the new film.

    There’s plenty of theories and speculation,but no leaks.

  • edited January 2019 Posts: 832
    Daily reminder that sp wrapped up nothing nicely and that anothrr craig film is necessary to save his tenure.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited January 2019 Posts: 8,399
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Daily reminder that sp wrapped up nothing nicely and that anothrr craig film is necessary to save his tenure.

    No, it did wrap up things. Maybe not to our liking, but then how good a job did AVTAK, DAF and DAD do? At the end of the day, I think a lot of fans are looking for the ending that satisfies them personally, instead of accepting the one that arrives. Being underwhelmed by the conclusion we got does not make a follow up "necessary." If EON can be taken at their word then the true closure is a year away. Then the story is complete, regardless of how we feel about the result. Eventually we just have to learn to live with what is handed to us, even if it doesn't meet the standard of how we imagined it. Its no one's fault if CR set a standard that the following movies couldn't live up to. Those in favour of transformative change are better holding on until EON, or whichever entity is running things by then, can clear the decks and bring on fresh creative talent, both in front of and behind the camera, post Bond 25.
  • edited January 2019 Posts: 832
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Daily reminder that sp wrapped up nothing nicely and that anothrr craig film is necessary to save his tenure.

    No, it did wrap up things. Maybe not to our liking, but then how good a job did AVTAK, DAF and DAD do? At the end of the day, I think a lot of fans are looking for the ending that satisfies them personally, instead of accepting the one that arrives. Being underwhelmed by the conclusion we got does not make a follow up "necessary." If EON can be taken at their word then the true closure is a year away. Then the story is complete, regardless of how we feel about the result. Eventually we just have to learn to live with what is handed to us, even if it doesn't meet the standard of how we imagined it. Its no one's fault if CR set a standard that the following movies couldn't live up to. Those in favour of transformative change are better holding on until EON, or whichever entity is running things by then, can clear the decks and bring on fresh creative talent, both in front of and behind the camera, post Bond 25.

    I wasn’t underwhelmed, I hated it. I’m simply disputing the idea that there’s any advantage whatsoever to ending the craig era with sp- there isn’t. I have no investment in the craig continuity, just in cr and sf as independent films.
  • Posts: 5,767
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Even though I'm still disappointed that we'll never see a Danny Boyle Bond film, I'm feeling pretty optimistic about Bond 25.

    Like a few people on here, I would have rather a fresh start after SP, but at the end of the day it didn't happen and we've all had a long time to come to terms with that by now. And it's not like another Craig film is a bad thing. He's been really good. The only issue is was another one necessary after SP seemed to wrap things up nicely.

    Well EON and Craig seem to think so, and I trust their judgement because despite the ballache of having to wait ages between films, I'm actually quite keen on the direction that they've been taking since QoS. Hated that film but then SF came out and it was great, corrected the course they were on nicely, and I thought SP was even better.

    SP was divisive. Even I think it was very flawed, and it's one of my favourites (really a case of them ticking so many of my personal boxes that I was able to overlook the bad stuff and still go along for the ride). But EON know that. Craig knows that. I honestly don't think he'd have come back to do another if he'd been happy with how SP turned out and the reception it got. So I think everyone involved will be firing on all cylinders for Bond 25. Even if they don't manage another CR/SF esque high in terms of the buzz around it, I think it'll be a good one, and probably will be a lot more well recieved than SP was.

    Unfortunately, as much I get where you're coming from, I think it's too late in Craig's era to have a fresh start. It's Craig's last film and I don't think they would've been able to get away with just completely voiding the end of the last film. Spectre set up specific points that need to be answered in one way or another. It's quite possible that Boyle wanted to do just that (ignore the end of Spectre) and that's one of the reason why it wasn't working. From what we've been hearing, I feel that Broccoli and Wilson definitely want to get back what they achieved with Skyfall. From the choice of Fukunaga and the DOP, along with the suggestion of Malek as a villain. Although, they obviously need to tie up some loose ends (i.e. Madeleine Swann and Bond leaving the service) and I think it's going to work out brilliantly.

    I couldn't agree more with statement regarding their obvious drive to make Bond 25 a great film. That's what Bond needs. You can see that when Skyfall, even though they had the movation from the 50th Anniversary, was being made and I think we're going to see it here. They just need to give it same amount of love and attention.

    What is this About a Fresh start? Ignoring certain Elements from previous films is by no means a Fresh start. It is common practice with Bond films. SF was no Fresh start. SP was no Fresh start. B25 will be no Fresh start, even if they turn everything upside down. Anyhow, what would a Fresh start be good for? What the world Needs is a terrific film. And that has Nothing to do with new, old, or original.

  • edited January 2019 Posts: 17,756
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Daily reminder that sp wrapped up nothing nicely and that anothrr craig film is necessary to save his tenure.

    No, it did wrap up things. Maybe not to our liking, but then how good a job did AVTAK, DAF and DAD do? At the end of the day, I think a lot of fans are looking for the ending that satisfies them personally, instead of accepting the one that arrives. Being underwhelmed by the conclusion we got does not make a follow up "necessary." If EON can be taken at their word then the true closure is a year away. Then the story is complete, regardless of how we feel about the result. Eventually we just have to learn to live with what is handed to us, even if it doesn't meet the standard of how we imagined it. Its no one's fault if CR set a standard that the following movies couldn't live up to. Those in favour of transformative change are better holding on until EON, or whichever entity is running things by then, can clear the decks and bring on fresh creative talent, both in front of and behind the camera, post Bond 25.

    Roger Moore's era ending in the shower with a girl only makes sense to me, come to think of it.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    I don't think there's been a Bond film that was 'the last' of that era. Connery quit the role during shooting of YOLT, then returned for DAF. Tom Mankiewicz tried to lure Connery back by telling him the story for LALD, and I believe UA were going to offer him $5 million to return.
    Roger Moore said he was finishing for every film from MR to AVTAK. Early drafts for TLD were written with Moore in mind, on the assumption that he would return.
    Pierce was under the impression that he'd be back for a fifth outing, but EON had a change of heart, and decided to go with an origin story. Obviously CR wouldn't work with an established actor in the role.
    Now we come to Craig, he's said that this will be his last. But will it?
    It's not the first time an actor has said it's his last, yet gets lured back for another mission. Only time can answer that question.
    As for the lack of news. I'm all for it. Reminds me of my youth (all those years ago) when Bond news came occasionally from a spot on Film ... with Barry Norman. Or a snippet in a magazine or a newspaper. The only other thing was a trailer and the film itself.
    Granted we had a few every other year. But there wasn't a lot of news in between.
    Didn't take anything away from the movie though. You still liked or didn't like it. I wonder sometimes if we have too much information. I'm quite happy with the little news we've got. Makes for a surprise and adds to the overall excitement in my opinion.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Granted we had a few every other year. But there wasn't a lot of news in between.
    Didn't take anything away from the movie though. You still liked or didn't like it. I wonder sometimes if we have too much information. I'm quite happy with the little news we've got. Makes for a surprise and adds to the overall excitement in my opinion.

    Well said @Benny ... There are a few and impatient people on this site that seem to fill the space with negativity since they know nothing of this upcoming film. It's driving them a little bonkers.
  • Posts: 9,847
    Benny wrote: »
    I don't think there's been a Bond film that was 'the last' of that era. Connery quit the role during shooting of YOLT, then returned for DAF. Tom Mankiewicz tried to lure Connery back by telling him the story for LALD, and I believe UA were going to offer him $5 million to return.
    Roger Moore said he was finishing for every film from MR to AVTAK. Early drafts for TLD were written with Moore in mind, on the assumption that he would return.
    Pierce was under the impression that he'd be back for a fifth outing, but EON had a change of heart, and decided to go with an origin story. Obviously CR wouldn't work with an established actor in the role.
    Now we come to Craig, he's said that this will be his last. But will it?
    It's not the first time an actor has said it's his last, yet gets lured back for another mission. Only time can answer that question.
    As for the lack of news. I'm all for it. Reminds me of my youth (all those years ago) when Bond news came occasionally from a spot on Film ... with Barry Norman. Or a snippet in a magazine or a newspaper. The only other thing was a trailer and the film itself.
    Granted we had a few every other year. But there wasn't a lot of news in between.
    Didn't take anything away from the movie though. You still liked or didn't like it. I wonder sometimes if we have too much information. I'm quite happy with the little news we've got. Makes for a surprise and adds to the overall excitement in my opinion.
    Agreed I like the teases and speculation hell just to mess with us I would love it if don bought the rights to the domains of Shatterhand.com Risico.com and thepropertyofalady.com just so we would have to guess which of the three is gonna be for bond 25
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Even though I'm still disappointed that we'll never see a Danny Boyle Bond film, I'm feeling pretty optimistic about Bond 25.

    Like a few people on here, I would have rather a fresh start after SP, but at the end of the day it didn't happen and we've all had a long time to come to terms with that by now. And it's not like another Craig film is a bad thing. He's been really good. The only issue is was another one necessary after SP seemed to wrap things up nicely.

    Well EON and Craig seem to think so, and I trust their judgement because despite the ballache of having to wait ages between films, I'm actually quite keen on the direction that they've been taking since QoS. Hated that film but then SF came out and it was great, corrected the course they were on nicely, and I thought SP was even better.

    SP was divisive. Even I think it was very flawed, and it's one of my favourites (really a case of them ticking so many of my personal boxes that I was able to overlook the bad stuff and still go along for the ride). But EON know that. Craig knows that. I honestly don't think he'd have come back to do another if he'd been happy with how SP turned out and the reception it got. So I think everyone involved will be firing on all cylinders for Bond 25. Even if they don't manage another CR/SF esque high in terms of the buzz around it, I think it'll be a good one, and probably will be a lot more well recieved than SP was.

    Unfortunately, as much I get where you're coming from, I think it's too late in Craig's era to have a fresh start. It's Craig's last film and I don't think they would've been able to get away with just completely voiding the end of the last film. Spectre set up specific points that need to be answered in one way or another. It's quite possible that Boyle wanted to do just that (ignore the end of Spectre) and that's one of the reason why it wasn't working. From what we've been hearing, I feel that Broccoli and Wilson definitely want to get back what they achieved with Skyfall. From the choice of Fukunaga and the DOP, along with the suggestion of Malek as a villain. Although, they obviously need to tie up some loose ends (i.e. Madeleine Swann and Bond leaving the service) and I think it's going to work out brilliantly.

    I couldn't agree more with statement regarding their obvious drive to make Bond 25 a great film. That's what Bond needs. You can see that when Skyfall, even though they had the movation from the 50th Anniversary, was being made and I think we're going to see it here. They just need to give it same amount of love and attention.

    What is this About a Fresh start? Ignoring certain Elements from previous films is by no means a Fresh start. It is common practice with Bond films. SF was no Fresh start. SP was no Fresh start. B25 will be no Fresh start, even if they turn everything upside down. Anyhow, what would a Fresh start be good for? What the world Needs is a terrific film. And that has Nothing to do with new, old, or original.
    I think there is a point about whether one references the prior film (or films) in any more than a cursory manner. Standalone vs. continuation, as it were. SF didn't directly reference the previous films, although it referenced the passage of time. Does that necessarily make for a better film? I can't see why it necessarily should to your point, but it certainly could if such callbacks and references aren't handled in a manner satisfactory to expectations. After all, there have been several discussions on this site about how things could have been done differently with the connections in the last one. There is also the matter of a new director and DOP, which should allow for a different and 'fresh' approach.
    ---

    Regarding this other point about impatience. It's a fair one to make, but we are in a different time now. This very forum's existence is proof of that. We have older members who remember the good old days when news was sporadic, and younger members who only know the present and are impatient for every little snippet. The time between films is far longer than in the past as well (we are about to have a film released with the second longest gap on record). So a little impatience is to be expected. As long as it doesn't become hysteria (and I've personally seen no evidence of that here), I don't see a problem. We're only a couple of months out from big news anyway, so the majority of the waiting time has been done. It should get quite interesting from now on.
  • I’m starting to feel that the lack of rumours has something to do with their being less cast and less locations.

    I think Bond 25 will be very Bond-centric. Perhaps with a smaller supporting cast than we are used to. They might even be planning to use Lea Seydoux and Naomie Harris in more showier supporting roles – considering both are confirmed.

    Also, the lack of location news might mean that more extensive use of London and Pinewood could be on the cards.
  • edited January 2019 Posts: 17,756
    They've done great sets at Pinewood before, so the possibility of a more "studio heavy" film is quite interesting. Can't wait to see what they come up with!
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Yes. Absolutely. No hysteria on this very site. Absolutely none. Uh... Anyways..., lol...
    They've done great sets at Pinewood before, so the possibility of a more "studio heavy" film is quite interesting. Can't wait to see what they come up with!

    I agree with you @Torgeirtrap and I floated this notion a couple weeks ago that this could be why we aren't hearing too much since we could be seeing something closer to SF-- on set keeps the budget in control, and it keeps everything away from the public.

    IF this is the case, i wonder what the policy is on phones at the 007 stage? Everyone's given walkies and phones handed in, I'd imagine.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Well they've certainly kept the lid on this one nicely. We'll know in a few weeks probably whether the speculation and theories bandied about here were right or not. At this point I'm not fussed. A decent composer and a few interesting (and hopefully, relatively unknown) cast members will go a long way towards keeping me content until release date next year.

    Actually, given we are close to one year out, perhaps they will give us some news on Valentine's Day. Let's see.
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