No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • edited February 2019 Posts: 125
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Also history will tell you that Bond doesn't do sequels... DAF, QOS, SP.
    The Point of bringing back Waltz would exactly be to do what QoS did after CR, or DAF after OHMSS.

    The difference is that in those movies the villains didn't return. Le Chiffre from Casino Royale did not return to Quantum Of Solace. Now we have Ernst Stavro Blofeld alive and a SPECTRE organization still not dismantled, so like I say the current situation is different.

    Christoph Waltz is an excellent actor, his problem in SPECTRE was the script and partly for the direction of Sam Mendes.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    If Waltz is back, I simply hope for it to be a very small transitional part and that he leaves the screen soon. Blofeld will return, EON has the rights to that character ... and he could return in his film with a different actor or in the next one or two. I just don't want Wailz to be prominently in this film.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited February 2019 Posts: 4,343
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The continuity of Craig's era is already a convoluted mess.

    I disagree. Why do you think that?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Craig's era is fine, including the stories linking to Quantum and Spectre.
    I'm quite happy with that, actually.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    peter wrote: »
    Not at all Pierce2Daniel and we should take this off this thread.

    Feel free to email me and we can shut this down for good.

    Best

    P

    I'm personally cool with you. I just think that you should remember to treat people with respect and not build campaigns attempting to embarrass and humiliate people. You have a lot of respect from mi6community members due to your professional ties and they will often take your side regardless. You shouldn't wield that power to belittle people.

    Also, Justin Kroll (he broke the Boyle and MAlek news) tweeted this:


    @Pierce2Daniel : let me be clear: One: I have no power to wield. I don’t know where you’re getting that from. I write make believe stories and hope my manager either sells it for an option or I get a writing gig out of it (what a romantic life!).
    Two: we need to take this off the thread and chat more to resolve these issues. You can PM or EM me.
    Three: just ignore me.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited February 2019 Posts: 12,480
    Just to say I actually appreciate Peter's posts. I'm not getting any negative vibe from him re Bond or Bond news of anything here. You two seem to need to work things out personally, @Pierce2Daniel. PM is good for that; I'll leave it at that.

    Malek ... I still hope, really hope, he is not in Bond 25. If he is, I'll won't let it get to me as I do trust this director and we should have a good script.
  • Posts: 1,680
    Everyone assumes blofeld went or is going to prison. He was merely detained by an inactive M.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Oh there is a myriad of ways to bring him back, truly.
  • Depends if the cat survived the explosion.
  • Posts: 6,709
    New cat, new tricks ;)

    Seriously now, 3 new pages and not a single new information. AWESOME! So exciting.

    Carry on.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,275
    The only good thing about Blofeld's return is that, after Bond 25, we won't be seeing him in a Bond film for at least a decade or two. Hopefully, never again.

    Wishful thinking. Eon bought the Spectre rights for a reason.
  • ThunderballsThunderballs Brighton, UK
    Posts: 35
    I have no problem with Waltz returning, but I'd rather see more from other Spectre operatives. Spectre isn't Blofeld alone.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,129
    I have no problem with Waltz returning, but I'd rather see more from other Spectre operatives. Spectre isn't Blofeld alone.

    Very true.
    Have a board meeting ala TB. If Malek is in B25, then I hope he's a Spectre operative.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,275
    00Agent wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    I’ve just decided that I will completely avoid all Bond related sites until the 1st of March. I want the press conference to surprise me! So I’ll be back in exactly 22 days.

    Either I’ll be back happier and more excited than ever before OR I’ll be back just to announce my retirement from mi6commumity (if the title is Shatterhand or if Waltz is back) OR I’ll be back to throw the biggest temper tantrum this forum has EVER seen (if there is no press conference on the 1st of March the latest).

    Either way, see you in 22 days. Enjoy the next 3 weeks!

    Christ are you annoying.
    He always did have an inflated opinion of himself.

    Door. Arse. You know the rest.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Christoph Waltz still has what it takes to play a compelling villain. His abilities were downplayed in Spectre thanks to Mendes. But, hand over an enthusiastic and sadistically twisted villain to Waltz, he'll play it the way you couldn't imagine. There's a reason this guy won an Academy Award twice.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Just to say I actually appreciate Peter's posts. I'm not getting any negative vibe from him re Bond or Bond news of anything here. You two seem to need to work things out personally, @Pierce2Daniel. PM is good for that; I'll leave it at that.

    Malek ... I still hope, really hope, he is not in Bond 25. If he is, I'll won't let it get to me as I do trust this director and we should have a good script.

    Thank you for kind words!

    P
  • Yes, @Resurrection

    This re-invented the Bond theme and is always welcome for any future movies, especially for Bond 25 and beyond.
  • Posts: 250
    Blaming Mendes is curious given the script is really what scuppers Waltz. The decision to try and build up to him and replicate Skyfall's format is a critical error (along with the Brofeld impact that ultimately doesn't impact the story). If you've got Blofeld we as an audience should be spending time with him from the off.

    But I don't see why you can't have dual antagonists or even an attempted coup within Spectre from Mr. Teal or Mr. Burgundy or whoever is next on the colour wheel.
  • Blofeld0064Blofeld0064 Milford, Michigan
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    10 minutes till baz drops his scoops of the night, Really hope he gives us something on B25 tonight!
  • Posts: 12,462
    10 minutes till baz drops his scoops of the night, Really hope he gives us something on B25 tonight!

    If not tonight, surely something in the next 2-3 weeks?
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 5,767
    Denbigh wrote: »
    FourDot wrote: »
    DAF is more of a sequel to YOLT if anything, not OHMSS.

    The entire premise of FRWL is deployed as a punitive response to the events of Dr No though.
    From Russia With Love only worked because it was a simple, clever story based on Fleming's book, and the connection to Dr. No was very minor. The continuity of Craig's era is already a convoluted mess, why add to it by trying to fix past mistakes... again.
    Bond films never tried to fix past mistakes. The usual Approach is to avoid in the next film what was received badly in the last film. Bringing back Waltz as Blofeld Need not be much of a continuation of previous films. Just a damn good film with a damn good villain, if done Right.



    FourDot wrote: »
    Blaming Mendes is curious given the script is really what scuppers Waltz. The decision to try and build up to him and replicate Skyfall's format is a critical error (along with the Brofeld impact that ultimately doesn't impact the story). If you've got Blofeld we as an audience should be spending time with him from the off.

    But I don't see why you can't have dual antagonists or even an attempted coup within Spectre from Mr. Teal or Mr. Burgundy or whoever is next on the colour wheel.
    You mean Ron Burgundy?
  • Posts: 250
    Worth remembering that during much of the Cubby years you didn't have the films at your fingertips and could only revisit in the theatres or on tv.
  • Waltz as Blofeld is better than having someone else....if you notice with OHMSS, they had a damn good actor (Telly Savalas, one of the top Blofelds ever), but it took time to warm up to the audience that two of the main characters had to be reintroduced to audiences....one who was imitating Sean Connery, and the other one who was denying ever having met James Bond because they were following the books for once but that didn't come across very well when the producers didn't care about continuity.


    Also, look at SF.....that movie hasn't aged well by way of retaining its fan status in the contrary way QoS increased its own. It's completely cut off, one-off and felt like it flipped off the potential of what could have been a modern thriller. Instead it was a remake of Home Alone with CGI, gadgets, and hacking to be used as a lazy plot advancement device while going back to the old series timeline associated with the films up to DAD, which is a movie that even the writers distanced themselves from at a Q&A once.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2019 Posts: 5,970
    Waltz as Blofeld is better than having someone else....if you notice with OHMSS, they had a damn good actor (Telly Savalas, one of the top Blofelds ever), but it took time to warm up to the audience that two of the main characters had to be reintroduced to audiences....one who was imitating Sean Connery, and the other one who was denying ever having met James Bond because they were following the books for once but that didn't come across very well when the producers didn't care about continuity.

    Also, look at SF.....that movie hasn't aged well by way of retaining its fan status in the contrary way QoS increased its own. It's completely cut off, one-off and felt like it flipped off the potential of what could have been a modern thriller. Instead it was a remake of Home Alone with CGI, gadgets, and hacking to be used as a lazy plot advancement device while going back to the old series timeline associated with the films up to DAD, which is a movie that even the writers distanced themselves from at a Q&A once.

    I'm personally not asking for a different Blofeld actor, I just don't want Blofeld in the film at all. As it's Craig's last film, I don't want it to be wasted on trying to pull off a good sequel, I just want a good stand-alone Bond film. Also, I'm aware Madeleine Swann is returning, but we don't how or why at this point so it's hard to say where they're going for that.

    As for your Skyfall comments, I'd have to disagree. A fair opinion of course, but I don't think it was just a Home Alone remake with CGI, gadgets and hacking. If anything it's well-done remake of TMWTGG. A lot more similarities. Anyway, In my own opinion, it was a well-written film with nice nods and touches of Bond without being too in your face. It perfectly encompassed the theme they were trying to convey and allowed each of its actors to give subtle yet great performances, unlike Spectre. I also think it was a modern thriller (especially the whole sequence at Skyfall), just created from a Bondian perspective and just because Home Alone did it in a small section of the film, it means no other film can have a boobytrapped house? Even if it makes sense given that they had no weapons or armed forces to help them? Again everyones entitled to their opinion, mine just differs :)
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    We were getting somewhere with news & now it’s silent again.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Waltz as Blofeld is better than having someone else....if you notice with OHMSS, they had a damn good actor (Telly Savalas, one of the top Blofelds ever), but it took time to warm up to the audience that two of the main characters had to be reintroduced to audiences....one who was imitating Sean Connery, and the other one who was denying ever having met James Bond because they were following the books for once but that didn't come across very well when the producers didn't care about continuity.


    Also, look at SF.....that movie hasn't aged well by way of retaining its fan status in the contrary way QoS increased its own. It's completely cut off, one-off and felt like it flipped off the potential of what could have been a modern thriller. Instead it was a remake of Home Alone with CGI, gadgets, and hacking to be used as a lazy plot advancement device while going back to the old series timeline associated with the films up to DAD, which is a movie that even the writers distanced themselves from at a Q&A once.

    The so called SF turnaround is fan based and I think somewhat inflated because those that dislike it wallow in it and some cases labour the point over and over again like a broken record, please don't join that crowd.

    I don't imagine if a poll was taken you'd find it as much as fallen in the rankings as it's detractors make out.

    Whereas out in the big world, I think it will remain the defining film of the DC era, fans will and rightly so it's CR but Joe public will side with SF, it's Dan's Goldfinger and unless Bond 25 does something truly remarkable I don't see that changing, it was a phenomenon.
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    The idea of Skyfall's capital declining and QoS's increasing is fantasy land stuff.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2019 Posts: 5,970
    Shardlake wrote: »
    it's Dan's Goldfinger and unless Bond 25 does something truly remarkable I don't see that changing, it was a phenomenon.
    And this perfectly sums up some of my reasoning for why I'd prefer Bond 25 to be a stand-alone film. James Bond films just do better (for me anyway) when they're not trying to solve issues from other films.
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    We were getting somewhere with news & now it’s silent again.
    And don't worry @DonnyDB5 , I'm sure we'll get something soon. Although if not, you've got the 1st March to look forward to :)
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    edited February 2019 Posts: 871
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Bringing back Waltz as Blofeld Need not be much of a continuation of previous films. Just a damn good film with a damn good villain, if done Right.

    Waltz can not play a different guy in Bond 25. The character was established already, all he can do is play him more or less the same as he did in SP. He can be more angry and have new villainous ideas, but he can't become someone else entirely.

    I'm sorry, but a guy with a facial scar stroking a cat in a Mao suit, trying to control the world, does not work in the 21st century. It's a caricature. Not to mention the foster brother thing.

  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    it's Dan's Goldfinger and unless Bond 25 does something truly remarkable I don't see that changing, it was a phenomenon.
    And this perfectly sums up some of my reasoning for why I'd prefer Bond 25 to be a stand-alone film. James Bond films just do better (for me anyway) when they're not trying to solve issues from other films.
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    We were getting somewhere with news & now it’s silent again.
    And don't worry @DonnyDB5 , I'm sure we'll get something soon. Although if not, you've got the 1st March to look forward to :)

    What’s on the 1st of March??
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